RENIR CC in Ottawa

[ocscan]

Today while searching 163-164mhz from the west end of Ottawa I picked up what I assume to be a RENIR control channel. My 2096 was decoding a P25 CC on 163.7850mhz with a decode rate of 75%, but no SYSID was decoded. I seam to have the same issue with the HQ VHF P25 system as well.

 

[DaveH]

I heard this a few months back and assumed it is probably RENIR but no
way to verify. Database shows a "To (be) Identified" CC for Site 249 with this
frequency.

Dave

 

[roots]

from downtown, Elgin/Rideau i'm not receiving anything, will run more test tonight to see if I can pick it up on the Gatineau side!!!

I did also find this frequency <> 142.0625 CC P25 but I cannot find anything in any database that provide me with info, last night it stop on it and I was able to listen to TGID 1401 (french speaking) but not sure who it is....

marc

 

[DaveH]

The 163.785 CC was fairly strong over in Aylmer.

CC 142.0650 is new(er) Hydro-Quebec P25 system, which
replaces the old system 4E2A; check the DB .

Dave

 

[ocscan]

142.0650 is the P25 Hydro Quebec system. For some reason my 2096 doesn't seam to decode P25 VHF SYSID's....I also get a P25 HQ control channel on 142.5300 from my location.

Has anyone figured out the base and offsets for this system yet?

 

[VORTAC]

142.0650 is the P25 Hydro Quebec system. For some reason my 2096 doesn't seam to decode P25 VHF SYSID's....I also get a P25 HQ control channel on 142.5300 from my location.

Has anyone figured out the base and offsets for this system yet?

Scanner Frequencies: Hydro Quebec 01 Trunking System, Provincewide, Quebec

 

[DaveH]

The PRO-96/2096 is unique if I recall correctly in that it needs its
custom tables manually programmed for P25 systems, whereas
Uniden scanners pick it up directly from the data stream.

The base(s)/offset(s) from the SmartZone system are not going to
be useful for the P25 system.

Dave

 

[ocscan]

The PRO-96/2096 is unique if I recall correctly in that it needs its
custom tables manually programmed for P25 systems, whereas
Uniden scanners pick it up directly from the data stream.

Correct, and until i finish my move in September i am only able to use my pro2096. Once moving is complete i will be able to run diagonistic software to figure out the base, offset etc.

 

[DaveH]

Meantime you could try 138.0000 and 8192, unless someone else has a
better idea or could figure it out...

Dave

 

[VORTAC]

Is there anything to do with the software WIN96 and band plan ?

Base: Use the base frequency listed in the identifier.

CH Lo: Identifier number * 4096
CH Hi: CH Lo + 4095
Offset: Same as CH Lo
Step: Spacing value shown in the Identifier

The table below lists all of the calculated channel numbers needed for the Pro-96
tables for each identifier.

Identifier: (CH Lo) (Ch Hi) (Offset)
0: 0 4095 0
1: 4096 8191 4096
2: 8192 12287 8192
3: 12288 16383 12288
4: 16384 20479 16384
5: 20480 24575 20480
6: 24576 28671 24576
7: 28672 32677 28672
8: 32678 36863 32678
9: 36864 40959 36864
A: 40960 45055 40960
B: 45056 49151 45056
C: 49152 53247 49152
D: 53248 57343 53248
E: 57344 61439 57344
F: 61440 65535 61440

 

[slypx]

Once you've programmed the frequqency in P25 trunking mode and monitoring if you get an system ID (SID), on a Uniden it should read :

"SID:014Fh-0xxx" for a RENIR site (System ID being 14F)

and

"SID:01ECh-0xxx" for Hydro-Quebec site (System ID being 1EC)

While "xxx" being the site number

Not much difference on a GRE/R-S model.

Then you will know whose system it is.

Good luck

 

[ocscan]

The problem is with my Pro-2096 on VHF P25 systems my scanner is not showing the SYSID. My old 996t of course did. Do I need to have the base/offset/steps size correct for this to work?

 

[slypx]

The problem is with my Pro-2096 on VHF P25 systems my scanner is not showing the SYSID. My old 996t of course did. Do I need to have the base/offset/steps size correct for this to work?

Not fmailiar with R-S product, just trying to help ...

Could it be a Display Toggle feature to change ...

On my GRE PSR600, I need to switch in "analyzing mode" to see the network info.

Can you get to monitor the Gatineau P25 800 MHz system ?
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=4936

Police are encrypted, you won't hear them ... not sure about FD, I think they are not.

 

[DaveH]

Question is....has anyone heard any RENIR voice activity in West
Quebec, not just the chugging sound of control channels?

I tried decoding RENIR and Gatineau P25 systems with UniTrunker,
including using UniScope, but no success. In order to figure out the settings
for PRO-96/2096, some channel numbers are required. Maybe it's time
I went back to try again, perhaps with newer UniTrunker version.

Dave

 

[slypx]

Question is....has anyone heard any RENIR voice activity in West
Quebec, not just the chugging sound of control channels?

I tried decoding RENIR and Gatineau P25 systems with UniTrunker,
including using UniScope, but no success. In order to figure out the settings
for PRO-96/2096, some channel numbers are required. Maybe it's time
I went back to try again, perhaps with newer UniTrunker version.

Dave

Hi Dave, first answer is no, there is no activity on the Renir in Outaouais other than the CC and a few times a year some crypted com. Major activity is not planned for a year or so.

Second, for monitoring a P25 system with a GRE or RS scanner with a data port there is nothing simpler and better than Pro96Com at Pro96Com - Control channel decoder for P25 Trunked Radio Systems

Definitifely your best tool. Simple to configure, I'm using it since 9 months and it's pretty incredible what this software does, it's free give it a try.

You get all the channels, control, alternate, voice, data etc. All the live data from coms, all the TG's used, all the radios ID and a good info is all the neighboring sites with there site number and CC frequencies ... and so much more, it's like being the owner of the control channel !!

Best of all, you can save all of this in a .txt file.

Thanks and let me know if you try it. If you do, and you gather some info on the Gatineau, Hydro or Renir, please send it to me so I can add the info in the Quebec DB.

 

[ocscan]

I don't think Dave has a Pro96/2096. I'm in the process of moving so most of my gear is packed up. Early september I will have my new shack up and running and be running some decoding software.

The Gatineau P25 system seams to be relatively directional or low powered. From north Ottawa i've monitored it..my french is pretty weak but i've caught some FD dispatching.

I need a cable before i can run Pro96Comm.. Though the software looks amayzing.

 

[slypx]

I don't think Dave has a Pro96/2096. I'm in the process of moving so most of my gear is packed up. Early september I will have my new shack up and running and be running some decoding software.

I tried decoding RENIR and Gatineau P25 systems with UniTrunker,
including using UniScope, but no success. In order to figure out the settings
for PRO-96/2096, some channel numbers are required. Maybe it's time
I went back to try again, perhaps with newer UniTrunker version.

Dave

Well I thought from that quote that's what he had. If he was refering to your equipment, I missed that and was not read between the lines ... sorry .

The Gatineau P25 system seams to be relatively directional or low powered. From north Ottawa i've monitored it..my french is pretty weak but i've caught some FD dispatching.
I need a cable before i can run Pro96Comm.. Though the software looks amayzing.

Don't know if you knew, but Gatineau P25 system has 5 tower sites maybe there's one with a better signal from where you are ...
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=4936

 

[VE2ZPS]

Just a general note:

You also need to be on the look out for potential image situations arising from the strong output of some sites.

For example, here in Montreal, on some radios, you will get a fairly strong signal on 155.3850 MHz with the SID 014Fh-0256 which in reality is coming out from the C-Ch of S256 located on Mont-Royal and blasting out like a ton of bricks.

Best regards to Vortac, Slypx & Roots (long time no see guys)

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