Rockbridge county

[west-pac]

Can somebody monitor, submit, and fix this RRDB entry? Not every frequency is a CC at the same time. One will be listed as the CC, and the rest will be ACC/SCC's or voice channels, but they all won't be CC's at the same time.

Rockbridge Trunking System, Various, Virginia

Rockbridge Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

 

[FQ1100]

Can somebody monitor, submit, and fix this RRDB entry? Not every frequency is a CC at the same time. One will be listed as the CC, and the rest will be ACC/SCC's or voice channels, but they all won't be CC's at the same time.

Rockbridge Trunking System, Various, Virginia

Rockbridge Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Actually yes it's a harris system so at anytime any of those frequencies can be the control just go check any other county that has a harris system and I can 100% tell u it's true because my county is harris..

 

[freqhopping]

Yeah, that doesn't imply they are all cc all the time. It let's you know you better program all of them or you'll suddenly find yourself hearing nothing.

 

[fredva]

Can somebody monitor, submit, and fix this RRDB entry? Not every frequency is a CC at the same time. One will be listed as the CC, and the rest will be ACC/SCC's or voice channels, but they all won't be CC's at the same time.

Rockbridge Trunking System, Various, Virginia

Rockbridge Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Harris trunking systems alternate the control channel among available frequencies. One frequency will be a voice channel today, and will be the control channel tomorrow or the next day. For programming purposes, all of the frequencies need to be treated as potential control channels.

 

[west-pac]

Harris trunking systems alternate the control channel among available frequencies. One frequency will be a voice channel today, and will be the control channel tomorrow or the next day. For programming purposes, all of the frequencies need to be treated as potential control channels.

Correct, but they're not all CC's at the same times. At any given time any freq COULD BE the CC, which is why one frequency should be listed as the CC, and the rest should be listed as ACC/SCC, meaning any freq COULD BE the CC at any given time, but not all of them ARE the CC all the time.

 

[Webodisk]

This a Radio Reference database policy and is properly displayed

 

[west-pac]

If you look at this system on any SDR software it will show one, and only one Control Channel, and the rest may be ACC/SCC's. It will not show CC next to every frequency. In the RRDB red frequencies are the CC, and blue frequencies are ACC's. At any given point when you monitor this system it will only have one CC (red frequency), and the rest may or may not be ACC/SCC's. As this entry stands in the RRDB today, it's unknown if all of the frequencies are ACC/SCC's, or if bad information was submitted. The DB entry simply not correct.

 

[west-pac]

This a Radio Reference database policy and is properly displayed

It sure is NOT. Look at the Duke Energy or AEP P25 systems. Those are listed correctly. You will only find ONE CC on any site at any given time.

 

[west-pac]

This a Radio Reference database policy and is properly displayed

If what you said is true (which it's not) then any frequency that COULD BE a Control Channel SHOULD BE listed as a red frequency, then there would be no blue frequencies listed anywhere on Radio Reference. Right?

 

[BoxAlarm187]

If what you said is true (which it's not) then any frequency that COULD BE a Control Channel SHOULD BE listed as a red frequency, then there would be no blue frequencies listed anywhere on Radio Reference. Right?

/\/\orotola systems don't share the CC's like the Harris systems do.

 

[fredva]

It sure is NOT. Look at the Duke Energy or AEP P25 systems. Those are listed correctly. You will only find ONE CC on any site at any given time.

You have several experienced people explaining why all the frequencies are red. You have a RadioReference database admin telling you what the policy is for the database. You chose to argue with all of them, even the db admin, instead of reading and learning something new. It is quite clear that your only experience is with Motorola systems. Now you've been confronted with something new - a system built by Harris - and you think it should be listed the same as a Motorola system, which works differently. ALL of the frequencies for a Harris system must be identified as control channels because people often choose to program their scanners with only the control channel frequencies, and the control channel in use at any given time could be any of the frequencies on the system. Not identifying all of the frequencies that could be a CC would result in control channel-only scanners going silent when the CC rotates through the frequencies.

 

[fredva]

Here are a couple of other Harris systems in Virginia:

Spotsylvania County Trunking System, Various, Virginia

Spotsylvania County Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Fauquier/Culpeper/Rappahannock Trunking System, Various, Virginia

Fauquier/Culpeper/Rappahannock Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Notice how all of the frequencies are red, indicating they are control channels? That's not a mistake, that's by design.

 

[kainixon2187]

Harris systems are a bit different from Motorola. An easier way to think of it is like a capacity plus system, the rest channel won't be on one frequency constantly, it will move to another frequency after some time (unless there is only one frequency for a system.)

 

[west-pac]

You have several experienced people explaining why all the frequencies are red. You have a RadioReference database admin telling you what the policy is for the database. You chose to argue with all of them, even the db admin, instead of reading and learning something new. It is quite clear that your only experience is with Motorola systems. Now you've been confronted with something new - a system built by Harris - and you think it should be listed the same as a Motorola system, which works differently. ALL of the frequencies for a Harris system must be identified as control channels because people often choose to program their scanners with only the control channel frequencies, and the control channel in use at any given time could be any of the frequencies on the system. Not identifying all of the frequencies that could be a CC would result in control channel-only scanners going silent when the CC rotates through the frequencies.

So these multi-state, multi-admin system entries are wrong then?

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

 

[kc4jgc]

So these multi-state, multi-admin system entries are wrong then?

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

No, they are not.
Those are Motorola systems.

As everyone above has stated, Motorola and Harris work differently. Theoretically, Harris CC's can change freqs many times per day to ANY one on the system; Moto systems rarely change CC freqs; then only a few select ones.

It's been explained why Harris systems' CC's are listed this way. Why are you combative? Even your OP is angry.
I have two words for you:
Paradigm shift.

 

[BigLebowski]

No, they are not.
Those are Motorola systems.

As everyone above has stated, Motorola and Harris work differently. Theoretically, Harris CC's can change freqs many times per day to ANY one on the system; Moto systems rarely change CC freqs; then only a few select ones.

It's been explained why Harris systems' CC's are listed this way. Why are you combative? Even your OP is angry.
I have two words for you:
Paradigm shift.

Those are both actually Harris systems.

I don't see why it matters and why this is all of a sudden a big deal about Rockbridge though. It's been listed this way for years. It works, thats all people need.

 

[fredva]

So these multi-state, multi-admin system entries are wrong then?

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System, Various, Multi-State

Duke Energy P25 Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

No, they are not wrong. They are not local simulcast systems like Rockbridge County though.

 

[west-pac]

No, they are not wrong. They are not local simulcast systems like Rockbridge County though.

Simulcast has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'm not debating that the CC changes, or could change, frequently. I'm debating that all of the frequencies should not be listed in red. On any digital radio system, multiple red frequencies would indicate multiple concurrent CCs. I've found DMR sites that have multiple concurrent CCs. That's not the case for P25 though. So when somebody has an issue or question about Rockbridge county, and I come and look at it, the first thing I notice is that every frequency is red. I know there are not multiple concurrent CCs, so that throws up a red flag about the DB entry. Not knowing if it's a Motorola, or Harris system is irrelevant at that point, because none of them have concurrent CCs. That means any, or all of the data could be inaccurate. If it was listed with one red frequency, and the rest of them were blue, that would immediately identify it as likely being a Harris system. That would also indicate that there is one active control channel on the site, but that active control channel could be any frequency on the site.

The bottom line is: multiple red frequencies indicates multiple ACTIVE control channels. That's simply not the case.

 

[fredva]

I'm debating that all of the frequencies should not be listed in red.

It's not your call.

 

[chrismol1]

No they're not "concurrent control channels", they are freqs capable of being control channels, who the hell knows what the current "control channel of the day" is. The scanners don't give a sh*t whose red or blue. Program them all for the sites your interested in, they lock on to the first good control channel at that time in history. They're not like motorolas set of 4 control channels were the alternates are patiently waiting for the first one to crap out and pickup the slack. The database doesn't give a sh*t what the current control channel is on this xx/xx/xxxx date and time, unless you will be johnny on the spot constantly updating it, it will list all the capable control channels for that site, as user submitted database entries. Also what often identifies it as a harris system is the fact its not the usual BEE00 WACN used on most motorola systems. Otherwise when I see all RED, its a decent indication its a harris system indicating to me, to program all the channels listed as control channels.