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RPM 14 software question

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Hello. Does anyone know where to find a copy of the manual on how to use this software? I’ve seen several posts on tips for the software program and it seems more helpful than the “help” icon within the software itself. Please help! Thank you. ;-)
 

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Hello. Does anyone know where to find a copy of the manual on how to use this software? I’ve seen several posts on tips for the software program and it seems more helpful than the “help” icon within the software itself. Please help! Thank you. ;-)
Harris only releases PDFs with update revisions containing lists of changes/issues addressed or any other important info that should be considered prior to installing (both for RPM updates and radio firmware updates)
 

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And their help section is actually extremely informative.. they have “How do I…?” Sections and a comprehensive search bar where it will bring up all phrases or words within
 

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Here’s the RPM software release notes
 

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The help section has taught me more than anything else about how the radios operate and is INCREDIBLY valuable, but it isn’t perfect.

For example, in the case of the data checkbox for a channel in a conventional analog set, there are several errors in regards to the XG100M. The feature works great in RPM2, but the box is greyed out in RPM14 even though the help section indicates that it should work.

It’s about 98% accurate and will definitely help you.

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There are typo's in there for sure, but just about every document does.
 

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The help section has taught me more than anything else about how the radios operate and is INCREDIBLY valuable, but it isn’t perfect.

For example, in the case of the data checkbox for a channel in a conventional analog set, there are several errors in regards to the XG100M. The feature works great in RPM2, but the box is greyed out in RPM14 even though the help section indicates that it should work.

It’s about 98% accurate and will definitely help you.

-B
i agree with you... remember how GE-Star mysteriously vanished from the early versions of RPM.. and it stated that the xg100p can do GE-Star emergency and override
 

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i agree with you... remember how GE-Star mysteriously vanished from the early versions of RPM.. and it stated that the xg100p can do GE-Star emergency and override
Ya… I can enter a G-Star ID, but that’s about it. I’m still trying to figure out what pins to use for 9600 baud conventional analog data… the help section says something like “use pins 27 and 32 on the control head accessory port” but the port only has 25 pins…

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Looking for basic information? Or more detailed?

How to set up an EDACS trunking system:

You create a trunked frequency set, with correct site number. (It won't work if the site number is wrong.)
You create a trunked talkgroup set.
You create a new system which is where you assign the trunked frequency sets to the trunked talkgroup sets.

Conventional is similar but simpler. Create the conventional frequency list. Go to systems setup and create the conventional system, and choose the appropriate conventional frequency list.
 

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Yep, and that's all in the Help section of RPM as well.
 

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Looking for basic information? Or more detailed?

How to set up an EDACS trunking system:

You create a trunked frequency set, with correct site number. (It won't work if the site number is wrong.)
You create a trunked talkgroup set.
You create a new system which is where you assign the trunked frequency sets to the trunked talkgroup sets.

Conventional is similar but simpler. Create the conventional frequency list. Go to systems setup and create the conventional system, and choose the appropriate conventional frequency list.
Now multi site multi county EDACS systems.. each site has to be programmed as it’s own system and TGs must be correctly assigned to each system?
 

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If it's simulcast, no. If it's not simulcast, yes.

Simulcast is a special case where all sites in the simulcast system are TRULY identical. And they are precision tuned to match each other, so handoff from one site to another is seamless.
 

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So for example NYCOMCO’s multi site system covering mostly ulster and dutchess counties NY .. each site needs to be its own system correct?
 

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If it's simulcast, no. If it's not simulcast, yes.

Simulcast is a special case where all sites in the simulcast system are TRULY identical. And they are precision tuned to match each other, so handoff from one site to another is seamless.
Yeah And I doubt it’s simulcast..
 

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Be aware that with EDACS, the channel order of the trunked frequency list has to be correct. A channel out of order will result in missed calls. Because EDACS assigns them based on that order. It's not like how a Motorola control channel does it, which is to call them by standardized channel numbers which each have a defined frequency. (Channel 123 will always be...whatever that is...) Like Marine channel 16 is always 156.800 MHz.

Oddly, I don't actually remember if a Harris P25 system uses the Motorola channel system or the EDACS logical channel order system.... I think it's the Motorola format but I'm not sure...

The Motorola format makes it easier to expand a site and add channels. You don't have to add them to the radio in any particular order.
 

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The P25 standard supports both message and transmission trunking.
 

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I'm going to confess, I never heard a full explanation of message vs. transmission trunking even way back in the day when Smartnet was the hot new thing. So it's that? Control channel directed channel selection by standardized frequency codes is message trunking, and LCN selection is transmission trunking? Am I reading that right?
 

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There is no specific user guide for RPM. The help tab in the software is it.
Different radios often have a supplement programming section in the documentation.
I think the reason is because there are 16000 items to program a radio and variants of each.
You can print out the 'CHM' file, but it won't tell much about a particular radio.
Mapping out a band plan and user settings should be first, then work that into RPM. Any 'one foot in front of the other' issues are documented in the radio manuals.
Cheers
 

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I was under the impression that in Motorola systems, the difference between message and transmission trunking is in how long a channel is held open after the end of a transmission. That with transmission trunking, every time a transmission terminates, the repeater is de-keyed and returned to the pool, while with message trunking, the repeater is held open for a defined period of time to allow a reply to occur on that same repeater, reducing the need for the replying unit to wait for channel assignment when the system is busy.
 
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