RSO!! Man shooting at police chopper right now!

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So if RSO drops out of the contract, who on earth could they get to patrol that area? Blackwater?


Deputies kill 2 in gun battle on Calif. reservation
By GILLIAN FLACCUS – 35 minutes ago

SAN JACINTO, Calif. (AP) — A man and woman opened fire on guards at an entrance to an Indian reservation and fled into the hills, where they were killed in a gun battle with sheriff's deputies and a SWAT team, authorities said Tuesday. It was the second deadly gunfight involving deputies on the reservation in five days.

The motive for the Monday night attack was unknown, said Riverside County Sheriff's Department spokesman Dennis Gutierrez.

The gunfire began at a guard station on a road a few hundred yards from a casino operated by the Soboba Band of Luiseno Indians, who have a 3,170-acre reservation on the foothills of the San Jacinto Mountains about 70 miles southeast of Los Angeles.

The names of the man and woman — and whether they were tribal members — were not immediately released. Reporters were denied access to the reservation Tuesday and phone messages left by The Associated Press at the tribal administration office were not returned.

The assailants used "assault-style weapons," and the tribal security guards called 911, Gutierrez said.

A responding sheriff's helicopter and deputies on the ground were fired upon, he said. The rear window of a patrol car was shot out.

The attackers fled seven miles up a dirt road into the hills, where they were eventually killed in a standoff with five deputies and four members of a SWAT team, Gutierrez said. He would not say how many shots were fired.

The law enforcement officers involved were placed on paid administrative leave during the investigation. The tribal chairman and sheriff's officials were expected to meet Tuesday.

Gutierrez indicated that the bodies remained at the scene.

"We respect the nation (tribe), but any time we have a crime scene, we have to keep that crime scene with all integrity. ... If it's disturbed we may be missing some crucial evidence," Gutierrez said.

It was the second fatal shooting by deputies on the reservation in less than a week. On Thursday, deputies killed tribal member Eli Morillo, 26, after he began shooting at them with an assault rifle.

The Press-Enterprise of Riverside reported that Morillo was a member of a prominent Soboba family.

A sheriff's investigator told the paper that sheriff's deputies were patrolling the reservation early Thursday when they came under fire from assault rifles. Morillo was killed, and a huge search was launched for two other people.

Morillo's brother, Peter, 27, was killed in October 2002 in a gunfight with sheriff's deputies who went to his Valle Vista home to check on the welfare of two children, the newspaper said. Two deputies were injured but recovered.

The tribal Web site says it has about 900 members, but many live in communities neighboring the reservation. The Soboba Casino has operated since 1995.
 

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af5rn said:
Aren't they still doing that stupid assault weapon ban in Kalifornia?

Working real well, I see! :lol:
All that stupid law appears to be doing is keeping "assault type" weapons out of the hands of those of us who do obey the law. I don't see any of the criminals turning in their guns because of it.

Station51 said:
The tribal police are the one's who called the "real police". They deal with minor stuff on the res and at the casino.

They drive Esclades or Yukons with red and blue CHP type light bars, but have no police powers and are required to cover the light bars when they leave the reservation.

The vehicles are clearly marked "TRIBAL POLICE" but they have security officer powers. An RSO deputy told me that the majority of them are football players from the reservation.

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I work in San Bernardino and have noticed that San Manuel police and fire play a more active role in the surrounding communities. I see their police vehicles (I mostly see Ford Explorers) driving around town with their red and blue light bars uncovered and I also see their fire vehicles responding with city fire quite frequently as well. Perhaps they take their public safety operations a bit more seriously than Soboba does.
 

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Great News Story!!

The male killed yesterday was also a tribal member and part of a large family on the reservation. His name was given out as a suspect when the incident began.

I do not know who the female was or what her relationship to the male was. Originally RSO was only looking for the male and when they located him the female was in his company.

The suspects car was removed from the reservation about 10:30 a.m. by DJ's Towing and the area of the shooting was still sealed off. (NOT that I tried to go there!!) I'm staying home with my helmet on!!


Can't wait to see what happens next!!
 

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They just showed an update on the Fox 11 News a few minutes ago and there was an interview with a tribal leader. He was complaining about the deputies charging onto the reservation like they were "1800s 7th Cavalry" and then taking off again. It sounded as though he was insinuating that they weren't asked to come onto the reservation. He then went on to say something about how they aren't safe on the reservation they have been exiled to (or something along those lines). The reporter mentioned that there was talk of a lawsuit against RSO from this tribal leader. The broadcast is repeated again at 1:00 a.m. if you missed the story and would like to see it. Oh... they also mentioned that the female suspect was the cousin of the male suspect.

Wasn't it tribal police that called for the assistance from RSO?

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Tribe, deputy tension high
 
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Yes, the RSO needs to just not respond to the Rez anymore like Cal Fire. I noticed a bunch of concerts scheduled have been cancelled. Maybe an economic boycott is in order also.
 
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From today's Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-soboba14-2008may14,0,5062286.story

Southern California tribal members are angry after two latest killings by deputies

The Soboba band's chairman calls the situation 'war' with 'the 7th Cavalry' of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department.
By David Kelly
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

May 14, 2008

A wild gun battle between Riverside County sheriff's deputies and a pair of suspects on the Soboba Indian Reservation left two people dead and tribal members frustrated and demanding answers Tuesday.

"There are better ways to solve these problems than by bringing in the 7th Cavalry and wiping them out. I would say we are in a war right now," said Robert Salgado, Soboba tribal chairman and a cousin of those killed.

Monday's fatalities were the second and third tribal members in the last week killed by deputies in gun battles.

There have been three other shootings on or near the reservation near San Jacinto since December.

The situation has deteriorated so much that the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said last week it would no longer enter the 6,000-acre reservation without a police escort.

"We received intelligence saying they would be phoning in false fire calls to draw us into the reservation," said Capt. Julie Hutchinson, an agency spokeswoman. "There is a general threat to uniformed personnel there. It's not everyone on the reservation. It's a faction that is out of control."

The Bureau of Indian Affairs will hold a meeting Friday among tribal leaders, members of the Sheriff's Department and representatives from the office of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Redlands).

"We want to bring them together so they can have a working relationship and rebuild trust," said James Fletcher, Bureau of Indian Affairs superintendent for Southern California. "We want to settle this violence so we won't have people being shot to death."

Monday's incident began about 6:20 p.m. when a guardhouse at the reservation entrance came under rifle fire.

"When deputies arrived they were shot at in their car," said Sgt. Dean Spivacke of the Sheriff's Central Homicide Unit. "A helicopter was called in and was overhead when they were also shot at." The aircraft wasn't hit.

The attackers, armed with AR-15 and SKS assault rifles, fled into the rural reservation, which sits along a rugged belt of foothills near San Jacinto.

A sheriff's SWAT team was called in. After the team located the suspects, an hourlong gunfight ensued involving nine officers. The two tribal members, 36-year-old Joseph Arres and an unidentified woman, eventually were killed near a football field.

The bodies lay where they fell until the coroner's office retrieved them Tuesday. Distraught family members demanded that they be allowed to see the bodies and perform Native American rituals for them.

Not far away, the bells of St. Joseph Mission rang every 10 seconds for the dead.

The same bells rang last Thursday after Eli Morillo, 26, was killed during a gunfight with deputies that went on for hours and involved SWAT members, armored vehicles and deputies. Morillo's brother Peter was shot dead by police in 2002. Their mother, Rosemary Morillo, is a former tribal chairwoman.

In December, two deputies were shot while chasing suspects heading for the reservation. Their injuries were minor.

Authorities temporarily shut down the main road leading in and of the reservation Monday. Salgado spent the night outside the reservation's casino in his Escalade.

Early Tuesday he drove into the reservation, his indignation growing by the minute. He had been on the phone with the state attorney general's office, the U.S. attorney's office and lawyer Gloria Allred's office.

"We feel our civil rights have been violated," he said. "These guys are running around here with assault rifles like they are in Iraq. They shoot first and ask questions later."

Sheriff's officials said they reacted properly to a brazen attack not only on them but also on Soboba tribal members manning the guardhouse.

Tearful residents said they understood that but thought their own people should have had a say in the matter.

"This is a crisis that didn't need to happen, and now we have three families that are in mourning," said Julie Parcero, a tribal council member.

Salgado nodded.

"These are our people. We know them," he said. "I think we could have talked them out of it."

The reservation is nicer than many, with neatly kept homes behind locked gates framed by steep, craggy hills. There is a school, a new administrative center, a manicured football field and 200 acres of ruby red grapefruit grown for export to Japan. About 600 people live inside.

Salgado, 65, is proud of his land and close to his people. He says there are problems with alcohol and drugs, especially methamphetamine and cocaine. Gunfire, he said, is heard commonly, though he insists that violence isn't any greater here than most other places in Riverside County.

"I don't know how many weapons people have. It's not against the law to have weapons," he said. "I don't have any weapons."

As he drove along back roads Tuesday, Salgado was determined to find the spot where Monday's shootout took place. He found it near a shady area called The Oaks. He approached slowly, only to be confronted by a half-dozen deputies cradling rifles.

One demanded to know who he was.

"I'm the tribal chairman," Salgado replied.

The officer told him he could go no further.

Salgado bristled.

"See why I'm angry? You see what I'm talking about?" he asked as he drove off. "If I was the mayor of L.A. and I was visiting a crime scene, they would have said, 'Hey, how you doing?' but they treat me with no respect. Do we look like gangsters?"

Salgado said he believes some of the tension stems from 2006, when he canceled a contract with the Sheriff's Department that paid for deputies to patrol the reservation.

"We paid $400,000 and we didn't see the benefits, so we did away with the contract," he said.

A few miles away he ran into Johnna Valdez, 43, who said an armed deputy forced her and others to leave a basketball game in the school Monday night.

"He made us walk out single file. We all had to lift our shirts to make sure we didn't have weapons," she said.

Capt. Glenn Worby, who commands the Sheriff's Department Hemet station, which responds to crime on the reservation, said he has offered to meet with the tribe to discuss problems. So far, he said, no one has taken him up on it.

"I have no desire to meddle or get involved in tribal matters. But when it comes to public safety we will do whatever is right, legal and in the best interests of the tribe and the community at large," he said.
 
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