SDS100/SDS200: Scan is skipping priority channel

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I have one channel set as a Priority channel. When I'm scanning (with priority off) that channel never comes in even though it's a very active channel. To hear it, I have to hold on that channel and not scan. Once I scan, it doesn't come in again. This is a PD channel. It'll stop on the FD channel fine, just not PD. It's the same dispatch center. They're on a trunked system.

I tried changing the priority to DND to see if that made any difference. Nope. It seems to be checking for the channel from what I can tell on the display, but it never lands for traffic.
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Yep, that much did register in my brain. I have very little on SARA since county law channels all went encrypted. I basically have county EMS and that's it. (Don't even get me started on this one...they could have done this the way Westcom and DMPD do, only encrypting some channels for sensitive matters...but NO, they went nuclear.) Anyway, most of what I listen to is on one system - ISICS.
Alright, have fun!
 

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These newfangled scanners and programming software are a big learning curve.

Really big important thing on Priority: With conventional systems, priority scanning means the scanner will leave an active non-priority frequency to check for activity on a priority frequency. That's true priority scanning. (It is called pre-emptive.)

Trunking does NOT work that way. Most all of us users aren't happy either. The new Uniden guy has fixing that on his list, as did the old, late Uniden guy. (Except for a very rare old kind of trunking system.)

With trunking priority the scanner will NOT leave an active non-priority talkgroup to check for activity on a priority talkgroup.

With trunking, what they call "Priority" is a misnomer and all but useless. Only when there is no traffic on an idle system will priority be helpful. About the only good I've gotten is when holding on a talkgroup. This would limit my "scanning" to the held talkgroup and any other talkgroups marked as priority channels.

So for now, don't get your expectations too high.
 

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If it was me, here is how I would program this system. . .

To toggle Police On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.1 eYes.

To toggle Fire On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.2 eYes.

(Just do NOT toggle both Off at the same time as it will cause the "Nothing to Scan" message.)

Also, I don't know the ins and outs of the system or the geography, so I'm just guessing...
 

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If anybody is still around and willing to help me...I redid my whole database to put each System into ONE Favorites List so I can try to make the Priority work. I have 3 System Favorites Lists. This is my biggest/main one. Did I do it right?

And if I somehow managed to do that correctly, who wants to explain to me what I need to do from here to 1 - Get it so I can turn each dept off and on for scanning when I don't want to scan alllll those departments on each System, and 2 - Set DMPD dispatch (I'll just start with that one) as priority?

I know I should be able to figure out the priority thing but the trunk/conventional/check this box, don't check that box, choose this option...I got all turned around. So if it isn't a huge pain, can somebody explain it to me or just grab me some screenshots of how it should look - I can go from there.

I would greatly appreciate it. And I will leave you all alone once I get those 2 things done and working!

If it was me, here is how I would program this system. . .

To toggle Police On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.1 eYes.

To toggle Fire On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.2 eYes.

(Just do NOT toggle both Off at the same time as it will cause the "Nothing to Scan" message.)

Also, I don't know the ins and outs of the system or the geography, so I'm just guessing...
Okay, I will look at the file and see what I figure out tomorrow. As you can see, I did a whole new set up of my database to put all the depts using the same control channels into one Favorites List. It was my understanding this was needed in order to have any chance of Priority scan working. At this point, I really just want one channel/TGID to have priority. It's the busiest one and covers the city proper. I also scan the metro area/border counties for activity but they are secondary and given the choice while more than one thing is going on, I want to hear that one I want priority. I don't know if it will work that way or not...

Thank you!

(And I still have my original set up so if this doesn't work, I've only wasted a few hours setting this up with only 3 favorite lists instead of the...I don't know...15?... I had before. So I'm fine with fiddling with the new one to try things on it.)
 

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@ofd8001 file is the one you need, and his explanation is pretty clear. The only thing I'll add is to make sure you're deleting the old entries from the scanner as the scanner will scan the old and the new.
 

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@ofd8001 file is the one you need, and his explanation is pretty clear. The only thing I'll add is to make sure you're deleting the old entries from the scanner as the scanner will scan the old and the new.
Gotcha. I'll go back and re-read and have a go at it! I still have to try the new profile on my scanner to make sure it works before I do the priority stuff.
 

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Well...I tried to upload to my scanner with the QKs added and I keep getting this. I found another post about this but what they said to do doesn't work. So I'll make a new post about this now.
 

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Ohhhh you guys....this is a nightmare. My scanner is totally broken, won't work at all. If anybody will take a gander at my new Post about it, I'd appreciate it!
 

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Why are you messing with the database when you were sent a file that will work?
I was sent examples. They weren't my full file. I was messing with it to get the quick keys and priority settings set up. After getting them all set up in Sentinel and sending back to my scanner, it blipped on me. I think the SD card in the scanner is corrupt. Reformatting it now. It's taking foreverrrrr. Quick format didn't work, having to do a full overwrite on it. If that doesn't work...gotta get a new SD card.
 

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I was sent examples. They weren't my full file. I was messing with it to get the quick keys and priority settings set up. After getting them all set up in Sentinel and sending back to my scanner, it blipped on me. I think the SD card in the scanner is corrupt. Reformatting it now. It's taking foreverrrrr. Quick format didn't work, having to do a full overwrite on it. If that doesn't work...gotta get a new SD card.
You were sent a file by @ofd8001 that will work, it's not an example. I sent you a file as an example. No need to reformat an SD Card, just Clear User Data through Sentinel, import the file you were sent, Write to Scanner, unplug and stop there. 1 favorite list, understand what you're doing and leave everything else alone.
 

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If anybody wants to take a gander, here is my current set up for the one of three Favorite Lists - my big one. With priorities and quick keys added. Don't know if it works since I can't get my scanner to take it yet! Hopefully once my SD card is working it'll all go smoooothly.


I set up the QK as a way to keep from scanning certain depts all the time. I only want to scan some of them some of the time. Since I combined all of each system onto ONE FL...my understanding is QK is the way to turn them off and on now. Before, I just turned each FL off and on but each one was just one dept.
 

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You were sent a file by @ofd8001 that will work, it's not an example. I sent you a file as an example. No need to reformat an SD Card, just Clear User Data through Sentinel, import the file you were sent, Write to Scanner, unplug and stop there. 1 favorite list, understand what you're doing and leave everything else alone.
Yes, that file 'worked' but was not my entire set I listen to. That just covered a couple departments. I have many. So I took what you sent me for Illinois and set mine up the way you did. Then I used what he sent me, also, to set up the QKs. But I had to set up 19 QKs to cover all the different depts I monitor. I set 3 System QKs, then 16 Dept QKs. So I can monitor allll of each system OR turn off/on individual depts inside those systems. I have to have 3 favorite lists because we have 3 different systems locally to monitor. I did have like...10 or so favorite lists. I've got them down to 3 for the 3 systems now.


I hope that makes sense. I'm following the instructions you all are being so kind to give me. It was when I was writing this updated file to my scanner that - apparently - my card decided it didn't want to work right any more. I've read I may have had a power interruption while it was writing, possibly. Whatever caused it, it's not working at all. I wrote what I've done in the other post. I'm basically trying to start fresh with the scanner and when the card works, load this corrected QK/Priority enabled file back to my scanner, which in theory SHOULD work.

I'm normally very tech literate. I just don't fiddle with this very often so every time I do, I have to learn it again. It's not intuitive to me. I really do appreciate you all helping me. If my card hadn't gone kaput on me, I'd be rolling great now!
 

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Yes, that file 'worked' but was not my entire set I listen to. That just covered a couple departments. I have many. So I took what you sent me for Illinois and set mine up the way you did. Then I used what he sent me, also, to set up the QKs. But I had to set up 19 QKs to cover all the different depts I monitor. I set 3 System QKs, then 16 Dept QKs. So I can monitor allll of each system OR turn off/on individual depts inside those systems. I have to have 3 favorite lists because we have 3 different systems locally to monitor. I did have like...10 or so favorite lists. I've got them down to 3 for the 3 systems now.


I hope that makes sense. I'm following the instructions you all are being so kind to give me. It was when I was writing this updated file to my scanner that - apparently - my card decided it didn't want to work right any more. I've read I may have had a power interruption while it was writing, possibly. Whatever caused it, it's not working at all. I wrote what I've done in the other post. I'm basically trying to start fresh with the scanner and when the card works, load this corrected QK/Priority enabled file back to my scanner, which in theory SHOULD work.
Nope, makes no sense to me. Your post was about trunking priority, a file was sent for you to start with, but then you tried to expand it "thinking" uploading the database will add departments (I think?) which it doesn't. From there, you have to Edit a Favorite List, which I think is beyond your understanding scope at this time. Now you're talking about adding Systems, Departments and Quick Keys and now you're lost. As you've been told, by trunking priority only works in the System it's scanning. I'm done here, you're not following instructions given and need to sit back and reread all the documentation on these scanners before you press another button.
 

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Nope, makes no sense to me. Your post was about trunking priority, a file was sent for you to start with, but then you tried to expand it "thinking" uploading the database will add departments (I think?) which it doesn't. From there, you have to Edit a Favorite List, which I think is beyond your understanding scope at this time. Now you're talking about adding Systems, Departments and Quick Keys and now you're lost. As you've been told, by trunking priority only works in the System it's scanning. I'm done here, you're not following instructions given and need to sit back and reread all the documentation on these scanners before you press another button.
We are definitely on different wavelengths here. That is not what I did. I had more than what I sent as an example and needed to fix all of my database. I didn't add anything, it was already all there because I was already listening to 3 different systems. I was following instructions and it was the uploading to the scanner that failed, probably due to the SD card in the scanner itself. I have edited my favorite lists up and down and understand all the parts I needed to do anything with. I've checked the manual (Mark's) as needed. What I didn't understand there, I came here for.

I started asking about priority scanning because I have ONE dept I want to be the focus - it's the most populated and therefore most important for my group members. Found out I had it set wrong for trunking priority. Was told I had to have everything on one FL to have all depts/channels on the one system on one FL. I fixed the priority settings as told and then moved all my multiple FLs to one (actually 3, because we have 3 systems locally). I only ever sent files from the one system but I have 2 others. 3 total sets of Sites/control channels for our area. This was to get Priority working. Uploaded to my scanner, all was working to scan, no problem there (not sure if priority was working but at this point, I took everybody's word for it).

However, with moving everything to one (actually 3) FL, I no longer had a way to turn on and off scanning of individual departments like I could with my multiple FLs (which were defeating the priority situation). I don't want to take the time to scan through ALL the programmed channels all the time, missing some traffic in doing so. I want to be able to turn several of those off to use only when needed. So I was told to use QKs for that functionality. My goal was to be able to monitor, say, 3 QKs normally, and turn others off and on as needed.
This was all going swimmingly. Yes, I edited my existing set up - I only added QKs to my already functioning file. I didn't 'add' anything else.

No problem with any of this, I got a QK for each Dept to use for turning off/on. When I went to put THAT updated with QKs file on my scanner, I started getting errors on the card in my scanner. It isn't a problem with the programming - the card, or rather files on the card, are corrupt. The upload would not go. Turn my scanner back on and it tells me to erase user data. So I did research on that and found I basically need to reformat the card and start over with programming. I'm currently doing that as the quick format didn't work, so the slow overwrite format is still going. If it still doesn't work after that, it is probably the card is totally messed up and I'll need to try a new card.

So it's not a matter of me not understanding, going rogue, messing stuff up, etc. I followed instructions and the card in my scanner is now the problem. I wasn't intending to ask any more about my original programming issues. I understand what was wrong (I didn't originally understand the trunking priority was different than conventional and had to be set up differently, now I get it) - I assume that will all work once I can get the file to my scanner. I was just adding on, "Hey, now I got all this done that you guys helped me with and my card decided it didn't want to work any more. So if anybody wants to keep helping me with that, there's a new post." This is no longer a programming problem. It's a hardware problem. I wanted to let the helpful people know I hadn't just received help and ran - it was an update. I can't say for sure if it's all working yet and this is why. That's all.

I'm sorry if I've frustrated you. I didn't go off willy-nilly. I was very very very careful about what I did in the programming, following instructions as you all gave them to me. And I believe I got it right. But I have to get a working card first to be sure. I very much understand if you are done with helping me - I appreciate the help you gave. The Illinois file was tremendously helpful and I used that as my template to get that part set up correctly in ONE FL for ONE system. I'm going to deal with this SD card issue and hopefully all will go smoothly from there. Have a great rest of your weekend!
 

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For anybody still reading...the Overwrite Format worked on the card. Transferred the file to the scanner without an error this time.
If I have further issues, I'll start a new post since this one went sideways. Thank you everyone for your help! Now to figure out these Quick Keys and turning them off and on. Yes, I will read the manual to do that - unless something doesn't work.
 

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I elaborated on this in the "Other Post". He got himself in trouble by overthinking and changed the file locations in Sentinel. This tends to happen with those "more tech savvy".

Now as far as sending you a file that had the stuff, I included the things you described (Des Moines Police and Fire). If there is other stuff, it was not mentioned so I didn't know what the heck you wanted.
 

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I elaborated on this in the "Other Post". He got himself in trouble by overthinking and changed the file locations in Sentinel. This tends to happen with those "more tech savvy".

Now as far as sending you a file that had the stuff, I included the things you described (Des Moines Police and Fire). If there is other stuff, it was not mentioned so I didn't know what the heck you wanted.
Oh, I appreciated it! I just had more to add. I was trying not to make any more work for anybody. I'm find with plodding through, I just needed have a clue how it should look. Your file was very helpful! I just hadn't included alllll the stuff I scan but I also don't scan every channel because many aren't used. We're in the middle county of surrounding counties that are part of the metro area. Some share sites, some are on the same system but different sites, some on a completely different system with different sites...we've got a couple cities that cross county lines...it's hard to keep things organized with so much going on. I learn by doing so the files shared were great to show me how things need to look, which I then used for my whole database I scan.

Sorry if I was confusing. I was trying to keep things simple and probably made them more confusing instead. I use too many words trying to be understood so I can see how I may have made things more complicated than they needed to be.
 

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Here you go, try this.
To toggle Police On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.1 eYes.

To toggle Fire On/Off, key press sequence is 1.1.2 eYes.

(Just do NOT toggle both Off at the same time as it will cause the "Nothing to Scan" message.)

Also, I don't know the ins and outs of the system or the geography, so I'm just guessing...
I took a look at it again (maybe I'm a glutton for punishment) and I took the liberty of using Quick Keys as @ofd8001 described very well.

Each Department now has a Quick Key. You can turn them on or off, but for now they're all on. Your Priority is set, turned on in the proper places, all you have to do is download this file, replace it or create a new Favorite List, turn the Monitor and Download to ON for this one, OFF for the other one or delete your old and use this one.

Let's say you want to turn off the ISF Fairgrounds on the fly. This is the keystroke sequence:

(Quick Key you gave this Favorite List/let's say 1)
(System Quick Key is 0)
(Department Quick Key is 16)

1.0.16 Enter

Or let's say, before you upload it to the scanner, you don't want all the Departments:

(In Sentinel) Edit...Edit Favorite List...(in the left column) Highlight the System (Polk Warren ISICS)...(in the right column) Dept./Site Quick Key Status. From there you'll see check marks next to the Departments that will be active when you write to scanner.

After that's all done, Write to Scanner. From there, it's all up to you.
 

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Here you go, try this.

I took a look at it again (maybe I'm a glutton for punishment) and I took the liberty of using Quick Keys as @ofd8001 described very well.

Each Department now has a Quick Key. You can turn them on or off, but for now they're all on. Your Priority is set, turned on in the proper places, all you have to do is download this file, replace it or create a new Favorite List, turn the Monitor and Download to ON for this one, OFF for the other one or delete your old and use this one.

Let's say you want to turn off the ISF Fairgrounds on the fly. This is the keystroke sequence:

(Quick Key you gave this Favorite List/let's say 1)
(System Quick Key is 0)
(Department Quick Key is 16)

1.0.16 Enter

Or let's say, before you upload it to the scanner, you don't want all the Departments:

(In Sentinel) Edit...Edit Favorite List...(in the left column) Highlight the System (Polk Warren ISICS)...(in the right column) Dept./Site Quick Key Status. From there you'll see check marks next to the Departments that will be active when you write to scanner.

After that's all done, Write to Scanner. From there, it's all up to you.
Why, thank you! I'll give it a try before trying to re-invent the wheel you built for me here. I was going to figure out the keystroke thing next as I haven't ever used QK before.

This is very kind of you, I appreciate it! I'll try to get it loaded tomorrow and get used to the QK procedure for turning each one off and on at will.
 
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