Scanner Tales: Airplanes

N9JIG

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These days we take for granted that our scanners can listen to aviation channels, especially the civil air band on 108-136 MHz. band. In the crystal scanner days that wasn’t the case. You had to have a scanner built specifically for aviation. Bearcat and Regency both had them. I eventually got a Regency FlightScan which I used for a couple years before I sold it to a friend at my dad’s flying club. Bearcat had an Aviation version of the BC-III or BC-IV that had a red propeller design on the speaker grill. I have seen them but don’t think I ever owned one. Eventually I bought programmable scanners that included air-band, most of the early ones did not but I think the BC220 was my first desktop. I think my first handheld programmable with aviation was a PRO30 in the 1980’s.

I always loved airplanes, be they big airliners, little Cessnas or military. My dad flew Cessnas, Pipers and even a Beechcraft now and then. I would tag along as a kid up until he stopped flying shortly before his death when I was in my mid 30’s.

We had several airports in our area that we flew out of. The first that I recall was Sky Harbor in Northbrook. This is where my dad learned to fly, his instructor was my mom’s uncle “Bones” Grzanka. It closed around 1970-1972, before I had a scanner capable of hearing aviation traffic so the only time I listened to them was in the back seat of a Cessna 170, if the plane they used that day even had a radio.

The main airport we used after Sky Harbor closed was the old Chicagoland Airport in what is now Lincolnshire, IL. This was operated by a guy named Art Schelter, who was a real character. He also owned one of the two Fixed Base Operators (FBO’s) there so tolerated us kids when our dads were there but one knew not to cross him. In the 7 or 8 years we flew out of Chicagoland I usually brought my scanner along as I already learned that it received much further distances when airborne. With the crystal scanners of the day, I could listen to other operations on our local channels. If I was lucky enough to ride up front Dad would let me play with the COM second radio and the NAV radio if he wasn’t letting me handle the airplane.

Chicagoland was on 122.800 for Unicom and the was the first air-band crystal I had for my Regency FlightScan. For a while it was the only crystal in it as I had saved a long time to buy it, I couldn’t afford to get more crystals for it. Eventually I got others for the other local airports.

Later we ended up at Palwaukee Airport in Wheeling. I already knew it well as we used to hang out here when I was a kid. A couple friends and I would ride our bikes there and sit in the bleachers off the end of the runway to watch planes or hang out on the flightline. Sometimes we would help push planes around and make enough money to get a burger at the McDonald’s across the street. Once a buddy and I were there and got a ride from a pilot of a Lear Jet; he offered, we accepted. We had a blast. We took off, flew across Lake Michigan, landed at Kalamazoo, and returned, getting home in time for dinner. Of course, our moms were torqued off at us for not calling them for permission first, but she just would have said no. We figured out even at the age of 10 that forgiveness was easier to get than permission.

Palwaukee was on 119.900 for the tower then, that was the second crystal I got for my FlightScan. Dad only flew out of there for a year or so, then moved off to Schaumburg as Palwaukee was too busy for his liking. Schaumburg was pretty far away so I couldn’t hear the Unicom from home but soon enough Dad joined a flying club in Waukegan, closer to home and easier to get to. He flew out of there for a long time, right up until he moved to Arizona. By then I was driving and started using programmable scanners, some of which also worked on aviation. I did however use his Icom air-band handheld he kept in his flight bag. Not all the aircraft he flew had radios, so he kept that available. When he didn’t need it I would borrow it and listen to the local airports. One of the airports near me had runway lighting that one could activate by 5 clicks on the CTAF channel (basically the tower channel after hours). Of course, I never did that with Dad’s portable radio as I drove by at night…

Aviation monitoring was not really my big interest later, after I started working. After high school I was a firefighter, so fire channels were more important. I was also a police/fire dispatcher, so the police channels were also interesting. I did start to listen to some military air when I got into Icom R7000’s. When I got my own it was often used to listen to refueling tracks and the local naval air station. When the PRO-43 came out, I was really starting to get fascinated by MilAir. I rented an apartment 2 blocks from the naval air station so listened to that often with that trusty little PRO43 and my PRO2004.

Airlines and scanners:

Most of the time using a scanner on an airliner was not allowed but United used to have a channel in their in-flight audio for the pilot communications. It was also one of the few airlines that did not expressly prohibit the use of a scanner in-flight. I did use my scanner on board often, even on other airlines. Using earphones, they usually thought I was listening to a Walkman or something. This allowed me to listen to the scanner unobtrusively. It is also the reason I usually requested a windows seat; it was less obvious when I was using a scanner and provided better reception.

One of the best commercial flights I was on was when the wife and I flew to Arizona from Chicago. I had just bought a PRO96 and was starting to get into P25 trunking systems. The closest systems at the time to my home in Illinois was the then-new Michigan MPSCS system across the lake. I could sometimes hear that if I was along the shore of Lake Michigan, or at an elevated location like “Radio Hill” in Wisconsin.

I brought that PRO96 with me on the flight and searched out for P25 control channels on the 800 MHz. band. A good portion of the flight brought us over Colorado, which also had one of the early P25 systems. I was able to log a dozen or more control channels with System and Site ID’s while flying over the state.

On another flight I had my scanner with me and was listening to the crew as we made our way across the country. An hour or so after we left O’Hare for Phoenix, I heard the pilot tell ATC that he had a sick passenger and that he was going to divert to Kansas City. I then started searching and found him talking to a medical desk on an Airinc channel and learned that a passenger had been overserved prior to boarding and developed medical issues as a result. I figured it had to be further back in the airplane as I could not see anything forward of us. I eventually saw the flight attendants with a woman 10-15 rows back. Pretty soon we made a pretty steep descent to KC and offloaded our ETOH-affected passenger and were on our way again.

On a flight from O’Hare to Heathrow I had my PRO43 with me and listened in on 123.450 as I had been told that it was commonly used air-to-air on the flights across the Atlantic. I was surprised at how busy it was. This was in the days when HF was king on cross-Atlantic comms, but I did not have an HF radio available to me on the flight.

When I later moved to Arizona fulltime, I was not really familiar with the local MilAir stuff. I had info from my many trips there, the RadioReference Database, as well as a ton of info from my friend Ted but I decided to dig out as much as I could myself. I already had a dozen or more BCT15 and BCT15X scanners and I put them to work searching out the MilAir band. I took 10 of them and programmed all of them with 10 search banks, each covering a different 20 MHz. segment. I would then select one bank per radio and set them searching out that range. I would have to spend some time locking out birdies and other interfering channels but once that was done just about everything else was good stuff to listen to.

I would then use either ProScan or ARC-15/XT Pro to log the found hits. If I wasn’t actively listening to the scanners at the time I would go back and sort the logs by the numbers of hits and accumulated activity time. I would pop those freqs into a couple other scanners and figure out the usage of them, locking them out from the search radios. This allowed me to continue searching for new stuff as I was monitoring the found channels. I did this for a couple of years and submitted all the verified stuff to the RR Database. I found all kinds of interesting stuff, including some tactical channels used at an abandoned auxiliary air strip 5 miles from my house that was used for occasional targeting practice. I actually got CloseCall hits and was able to watch the F16’s from my yard as they made runs on the strip.

I now live about 15 miles as the crow flies from Luke Air Force Base, which was the busiest F16 training center in the US. The have now switched to the newer F35 and are just as busy. My house is also on the southern edge of a MOA so there is a lot of flyover traffic here from Luke as well as Davis Monthan and visiting units. I can drive an hour south to the Goldwater Range and watch A-10’s and other aircraft train. Gila Bend has an Air Force landing strip that is often used for training and practice by a variety of military aircraft. I go to that area often for railfanning but usually have the air freqs in the scanner.

At home I can hear the aircraft talking on the local Unicom channels, Air to Air, and even the local tower channels. I occasionally will listen to Albuquerque Center for flights in transit over the area. I am also close by one of the several “Training Areas”, airspace reserved for use for practice and training for the many flight schools around here.

I spend a lot of time out at the local airports, like Phoenix’s Sky Harbor, Deer Valley (the busiest general aviation airport in the world), and Luke AFB to watch and listen to the air traffic. These days my scanner of choice at the airport has been my BC125AT. It is quite awesome on aviation! Occasionally I will grab my Icom R5 if I need something tiny. Recently I have been trying out the new Bearcat BCD160DN, it works great on both civil and military air-band and will likely become my go-to scanner for plane watching.

Aviation monitoring is an awesome part of the hobby and these days one of the top three targets of my scanners. If you haven’t listened to air-band yet, try it, you’ll like it!
 

IC-R20

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Nice! A crowdsourced surveillance plane :cool:

Earlier this year I was doing a lot of delta wing kite flights hoisting up a geiger counter a few hundred feet for an experiment. I've definitely been tempted to try and getting a bigger wing to hoist the TRX-1 in a pelican case for a couple hours and recording some of the digital systems from the next town over.
 

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When I started in the scanning hobby back in 1982 emergency services were my first interest, as it is for most us. However I've always had an interest in aviation. I live in northern NJ with several towered and un-towered airports fairly close by. I can't remember what scanner was my first airband capable radio, only that it was a handheld. Both where I lived when I was growing up, along with where I'm living now, is under the approach path to the 22 (or the departure path off the 4's) runways at Newark. With just the rubber duck on the handheld I could at least hear the aircraft, once I was able to erect a taller antenna on the roof of my house I was able to hear both sides. Additionally Morristown, Essex County (Caldwell), Teterboro, and Lincoln Park airports are all fairly close to me.

When visiting family in Nebraska through the 1990's-early 2000's I would often carry my scanner on-board, in the same travel bag that my CD player and headphones were in. I would listen to the onboard ATC channel but most United flight crews didn't turn it on until after cruise altitude was reached. They would then turn it off before the descent into the destination airport began. It was pretty boring just hearing the handoffs from sector controller to sector controller. I started using my scanner, left in the bag, while still on the ground. I would start with ground, switch to tower, departure, and then center. Once at altitude I turned the scanner off until center handed us off to approach. Again, I followed the handoffs from approach to tower to ground, right up to the gate. The first few years of flying United I had to connect through Chicago-O'Hare to get to Omaha. The layover was usually 1-2 hours so I spent the time listening to the ground ops while waiting for my next flight. When Midwest Express started flying from Newark I was able to fly nonstop but I still used the scanner onboard and never had a problem or was questioned by crew, or fellow passengers.

I have never done any mil-air monitoring even though I had a Sporty's Pilot Shop JD-100, and a Sony Wavehawk for many years. Both had mil-air but I got rid of both of them years ago thinking that since I didn't live near a military base I wouldn't hear anything. That was in the years before the internet and my subscriptions to Monitoring Times and Popular Communications magazines. I'm thinking about adding a mil-air capable scanner to my collection, and I do read the mid-Atlantic mil-air thread on the Maryland State forum.

Anyway, enough of my rambling....I do enjoy aviation monitoring!
 
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RFI-EMI-GUY

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I used to monitor the air-ground UHF channels as I traveled the country by car. You might be surprised what kind of business was conducted without thought that the channels were entirely in the clear. I once heard a military contract to sell helicopters to a south American country being discussed in detail. I wonder if they got out bid?

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JDKelley

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Nice! A crowdsourced surveillance plane :cool:

Earlier this year I was doing a lot of delta wing kite flights hoisting up a geiger counter a few hundred feet for an experiment. I've definitely been tempted to try and getting a bigger wing to hoist the TRX-1 in a pelican case for a couple hours and recording some of the digital systems from the next town over.
Hmm... That makes me think of rigging up some sort of wire as (or with) a kite string as an antenna around here - I wonder how much more I'd pick up? Santa Clara County is pretty built-up, so there's a lot of ground-level blockage. Wonder if I can find a 100' or 200' long spool of 20 AWG fine-strand? Or would I be better off using meter probe lead, and where can I get a 100' spool of that?
 

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Hmm... That makes me think of rigging up some sort of wire as (or with) a kite string as an antenna around here - I wonder how much more I'd pick up?...

A conductive "kite string" is an excellent way to "pick up" a utility power line if the wind changes suddenly. I respectfully advise against this idea.
 

JDKelley

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A conductive "kite string" is an excellent way to "pick up" a utility power line if the wind changes suddenly. I respectfully advise against this idea.
Give me credit for more smarts than that! I know I'd have to do some sort of rotating fitting (slip ring, or something like that,) so I could also rig that as a cutaway, and I wouldn't fly it within range of powerlines ("within range" = min 2-3x total length of string away from any power lines, ground distance. 100' string? 200-300' away from powerlines, minimum. Places like that can still be found. Parks are an example.)
Put a banana plug right after the slip ring, and if it looks like it's trying to get away from me, just let go. The banana jack will slip right out, the kite will blow away, and I'm just out a kite, some wire, and a couple of fittings (that I probably had to order in multiple anyhow.)

But a 80-90' vertical antenna, atop a mountain, around here? I should pick up all sorts of fun stuff. Could be fun to try with the Malahit and laptop, too, if I can keep it still once I get it up in the air. Bring decoding power into the picture. (And that has the added advantage of being at least a quarter-mile away from any power lines, I know of a couple of places I can go around here that are like that.)
 

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N9JIG, your story sounds like a carbon copy of mine, except that I started airband monitoring with a tunable portable multiband radio in the 1960's in my mid-teens. And I never did the kite thing.

Besides all of the stuff that you mentioned, when I traveled I would arrive at the airport two to three hours early so I could monitor the airline company airband frequencies (128 ~ 132), and their UHF terminal freqs (usually 460mhz) used by the boarding agents. There were numerous occasions when I would get a heads-up about an incoming flight or a delayed flight. I, also, always booked a window seat.

When I enlisted in the USMC I was assigned to the Marine Air Wing, which got me interested in military aviation monitoring. Military aviation band radios weren't available then, but I discovered that I could listen to the VHF simulcast side of some military comms. I also discovered the effect of image frequencies, so I was able to listen to some UHF military freqs on a VHF image freq.

I spent forty-eight years in southern CA, a utopia for civilian and military aviation monitoring. Recently I moved to the central AZ mountains, and have a fair idea of what you can hear from your area. It sounds like you're about 2 - 3 hours from me. Just before I read your post I was discussing an overnight trip I'm planning for next month to monitor at Yuma and Luke (getting her permission would be more accurate). Maybe we can meet up sometime for a cup of coffee.

I haven't flown since covid, but during my last few years of flying, rather than try and keep the scanner out of sight (most stuff is digital now, anyway) I used my tiny iPod. It has an FM broadcast tuner, so I would tune around the FM band and get an idea of where we were, based on the location of the stations I could hear.

It was a pleasure reading your write-up. Brought back a lot of memories.

<>< Mike
 

mastr

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...it looks like it's trying to get away from me, just let go...I'm just out a kite, some wire, and a couple of fittings...

Go for it then. And hope you are not found out if it does get away and lands across a primary line.
 

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Good job with this post.

I'm in Ontario, the government has put in a new communications system and now are provincial police, every EMS service except Toronto, our natural resources and others are all encrypted. We are in zone 1 from Windsor past Toronto.

When I got a SDS100 as a gift I remember one day I put it on the air frequencies for the same area above, over 200 miles W-E, and
N-S and I was amazed to hear both sides of conversations further than London and up along the Bruce Peninsula with a Larsen 1/4 on my balcony 200 feet up in the lower city of Hamilton. The escarpment/Mountain couldn't block this out!!!

So as we complain and , can't swear here, and complain at least we have airplanes to listen to.

E
 

JDKelley

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Go for it then. And hope you are not found out if it does get away and lands across a primary line.
Don't worry - I'm going to put some heavy skull sweat into this idea. Probably be able to let the kite slip and retain the wire, or something like that. If I don't like how I've handled the potential safety issues (which are more than just dropping over a power line, I think,) it's not going to happen.
 

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Don't worry - I'm going to put some heavy skull sweat into this idea. Probably be able to let the kite slip and retain the wire, or something like that. If I don't like how I've handled the potential safety issues (which are more than just dropping over a power line, I think,) it's not going to happen.
yeah that guys definitely an autistic LID. You can get kiteline with copper interweaved and HAMEs and have been doing it for decades, just don't do it near powerlines, same as installing any tower or longwire. I guess they must've forgotten to remember the answer to that question when taking the tech exam :rolleyes:
 

JDKelley

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yeah that guys definitely an autistic LID. You can get kiteline with copper interweaved and HAMEs and have been doing it for decades, just don't do it near powerlines, same as installing any tower or longwire. I guess they must've forgotten to remember the answer to that question when taking the tech exam :rolleyes:
It was half an idea when I mentioned it. I plan to put some skull sweat into it before I decide whether or not to do it, and I will pick my location carefully (I don't want my 100' antenna within a half-mile - 880 yards - of a powerline, if I can manage it. Minimum safe distance will be a quarter-mile, or 440 yards. I've already been dead twice, I'm not going for a third. By the way - I've got one more 21st birthday coming up in two years - what are you going to get me? ;):ROFLMAO:)

But, I don't like the idea of the string itself being the cord - I like the idea of being able to dump the kite, keep the cord. I'll have to put some work into how I do the connection at the hand end, I'd really like to not lose it... But I am liking the idea of getting an antenna at least 60' up in the air atop a mountain around here somewhere, I think it would be interesting to see what I can pick up...

I'm thinking either find a 100' stretch of meter probe wire (that really flexible stuff in the silicone jacket.) Have it pay off of a spool next to the kite line so they pay out together, and roll back together. (I think up the mechanics first, then the logistics. If I can't come up with a way to make it work mechanically, then there's no point in working out the logistics of it all.)
 

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I used to monitor the air-ground UHF channels as I traveled the country by car. You might be surprised what kind of business was conducted without thought that the channels were entirely in the clear. I once heard a military contract to sell helicopters to a south American country being discussed in detail. I wonder if they got out bid?

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Have those been in use in recent years? Say within the past ten years? I have always assumed those were likely quiet these days as I have never heard anyone mentioning them since I have been in the hobby.
 

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These days we take for granted that our scanners can listen to aviation channels, especially the civil air band on 108-136 MHz. band. In the crystal scanner days that wasn’t the case. You had to have a scanner built specifically for aviation. Bearcat and Regency both had them. I eventually got a Regency FlightScan which I used for a couple years before I sold it to a friend at my dad’s flying club. Bearcat had an Aviation version of the BC-III or BC-IV that had a red propeller design on the speaker grill. I have seen them but don’t think I ever owned one. Eventually I bought programmable scanners that included air-band, most of the early ones did not but I think the BC220 was my first desktop. I think my first handheld programmable with aviation was a PRO30 in the 1980’s.

I always loved airplanes, be they big airliners, little Cessnas or military. My dad flew Cessnas, Pipers and even a Beechcraft now and then. I would tag along as a kid up until he stopped flying shortly before his death when I was in my mid 30’s.

We had several airports in our area that we flew out of. The first that I recall was Sky Harbor in Northbrook. This is where my dad learned to fly, his instructor was my mom’s uncle “Bones” Grzanka. It closed around 1970-1972, before I had a scanner capable of hearing aviation traffic so the only time I listened to them was in the back seat of a Cessna 170, if the plane they used that day even had a radio.

The main airport we used after Sky Harbor closed was the old Chicagoland Airport in what is now Lincolnshire, IL. This was operated by a guy named Art Schelter, who was a real character. He also owned one of the two Fixed Base Operators (FBO’s) there so tolerated us kids when our dads were there but one knew not to cross him. In the 7 or 8 years we flew out of Chicagoland I usually brought my scanner along as I already learned that it received much further distances when airborne. With the crystal scanners of the day, I could listen to other operations on our local channels. If I was lucky enough to ride up front Dad would let me play with the COM second radio and the NAV radio if he wasn’t letting me handle the airplane.

Chicagoland was on 122.800 for Unicom and the was the first air-band crystal I had for my Regency FlightScan. For a while it was the only crystal in it as I had saved a long time to buy it, I couldn’t afford to get more crystals for it. Eventually I got others for the other local airports.

Later we ended up at Palwaukee Airport in Wheeling. I already knew it well as we used to hang out here when I was a kid. A couple friends and I would ride our bikes there and sit in the bleachers off the end of the runway to watch planes or hang out on the flightline. Sometimes we would help push planes around and make enough money to get a burger at the McDonald’s across the street. Once a buddy and I were there and got a ride from a pilot of a Lear Jet; he offered, we accepted. We had a blast. We took off, flew across Lake Michigan, landed at Kalamazoo, and returned, getting home in time for dinner. Of course, our moms were torqued off at us for not calling them for permission first, but she just would have said no. We figured out even at the age of 10 that forgiveness was easier to get than permission.

Palwaukee was on 119.900 for the tower then, that was the second crystal I got for my FlightScan. Dad only flew out of there for a year or so, then moved off to Schaumburg as Palwaukee was too busy for his liking. Schaumburg was pretty far away so I couldn’t hear the Unicom from home but soon enough Dad joined a flying club in Waukegan, closer to home and easier to get to. He flew out of there for a long time, right up until he moved to Arizona. By then I was driving and started using programmable scanners, some of which also worked on aviation. I did however use his Icom air-band handheld he kept in his flight bag. Not all the aircraft he flew had radios, so he kept that available. When he didn’t need it I would borrow it and listen to the local airports. One of the airports near me had runway lighting that one could activate by 5 clicks on the CTAF channel (basically the tower channel after hours). Of course, I never did that with Dad’s portable radio as I drove by at night…

Aviation monitoring was not really my big interest later, after I started working. After high school I was a firefighter, so fire channels were more important. I was also a police/fire dispatcher, so the police channels were also interesting. I did start to listen to some military air when I got into Icom R7000’s. When I got my own it was often used to listen to refueling tracks and the local naval air station. When the PRO-43 came out, I was really starting to get fascinated by MilAir. I rented an apartment 2 blocks from the naval air station so listened to that often with that trusty little PRO43 and my PRO2004.

Airlines and scanners:

Most of the time using a scanner on an airliner was not allowed but United used to have a channel in their in-flight audio for the pilot communications. It was also one of the few airlines that did not expressly prohibit the use of a scanner in-flight. I did use my scanner on board often, even on other airlines. Using earphones, they usually thought I was listening to a Walkman or something. This allowed me to listen to the scanner unobtrusively. It is also the reason I usually requested a windows seat; it was less obvious when I was using a scanner and provided better reception.

One of the best commercial flights I was on was when the wife and I flew to Arizona from Chicago. I had just bought a PRO96 and was starting to get into P25 trunking systems. The closest systems at the time to my home in Illinois was the then-new Michigan MPSCS system across the lake. I could sometimes hear that if I was along the shore of Lake Michigan, or at an elevated location like “Radio Hill” in Wisconsin.

I brought that PRO96 with me on the flight and searched out for P25 control channels on the 800 MHz. band. A good portion of the flight brought us over Colorado, which also had one of the early P25 systems. I was able to log a dozen or more control channels with System and Site ID’s while flying over the state.

On another flight I had my scanner with me and was listening to the crew as we made our way across the country. An hour or so after we left O’Hare for Phoenix, I heard the pilot tell ATC that he had a sick passenger and that he was going to divert to Kansas City. I then started searching and found him talking to a medical desk on an Airinc channel and learned that a passenger had been overserved prior to boarding and developed medical issues as a result. I figured it had to be further back in the airplane as I could not see anything forward of us. I eventually saw the flight attendants with a woman 10-15 rows back. Pretty soon we made a pretty steep descent to KC and offloaded our ETOH-affected passenger and were on our way again.

On a flight from O’Hare to Heathrow I had my PRO43 with me and listened in on 123.450 as I had been told that it was commonly used air-to-air on the flights across the Atlantic. I was surprised at how busy it was. This was in the days when HF was king on cross-Atlantic comms, but I did not have an HF radio available to me on the flight.

When I later moved to Arizona fulltime, I was not really familiar with the local MilAir stuff. I had info from my many trips there, the RadioReference Database, as well as a ton of info from my friend Ted but I decided to dig out as much as I could myself. I already had a dozen or more BCT15 and BCT15X scanners and I put them to work searching out the MilAir band. I took 10 of them and programmed all of them with 10 search banks, each covering a different 20 MHz. segment. I would then select one bank per radio and set them searching out that range. I would have to spend some time locking out birdies and other interfering channels but once that was done just about everything else was good stuff to listen to.

I would then use either ProScan or ARC-15/XT Pro to log the found hits. If I wasn’t actively listening to the scanners at the time I would go back and sort the logs by the numbers of hits and accumulated activity time. I would pop those freqs into a couple other scanners and figure out the usage of them, locking them out from the search radios. This allowed me to continue searching for new stuff as I was monitoring the found channels. I did this for a couple of years and submitted all the verified stuff to the RR Database. I found all kinds of interesting stuff, including some tactical channels used at an abandoned auxiliary air strip 5 miles from my house that was used for occasional targeting practice. I actually got CloseCall hits and was able to watch the F16’s from my yard as they made runs on the strip.

I now live about 15 miles as the crow flies from Luke Air Force Base, which was the busiest F16 training center in the US. The have now switched to the newer F35 and are just as busy. My house is also on the southern edge of a MOA so there is a lot of flyover traffic here from Luke as well as Davis Monthan and visiting units. I can drive an hour south to the Goldwater Range and watch A-10’s and other aircraft train. Gila Bend has an Air Force landing strip that is often used for training and practice by a variety of military aircraft. I go to that area often for railfanning but usually have the air freqs in the scanner.

At home I can hear the aircraft talking on the local Unicom channels, Air to Air, and even the local tower channels. I occasionally will listen to Albuquerque Center for flights in transit over the area. I am also close by one of the several “Training Areas”, airspace reserved for use for practice and training for the many flight schools around here.

I spend a lot of time out at the local airports, like Phoenix’s Sky Harbor, Deer Valley (the busiest general aviation airport in the world), and Luke AFB to watch and listen to the air traffic. These days my scanner of choice at the airport has been my BC125AT. It is quite awesome on aviation! Occasionally I will grab my Icom R5 if I need something tiny. Recently I have been trying out the new Bearcat BCD160DN, it works great on both civil and military air-band and will likely become my go-to scanner for plane watching.

Aviation monitoring is an awesome part of the hobby and these days one of the top three targets of my scanners. If you haven’t listened to air-band yet, try it, you’ll like it!
Enjoyed your stories!
 

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I am find all of this very interesting. I have never tried to take my scanners on a plane.
Used to do it all the time, pre-TSA. Haven't flown much since Airport Insecurity got Federalised - airports just aren't fun anymore, and I need 2mg of Ativan just to get through security... (I dislike incompetence, and being told I was "grossly overqualified," in their words, told me everything I needed to know about how they were going to operate...)
 

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N9JIG said:
I brought that PRO96 with me on the flight and searched out for P25 control channels on the 800 MHz. band. A good portion of the flight brought us over Colorado, which also had one of the early P25 systems. I was able to log a dozen or more control channels with System and Site ID’s while flying over the state.

Sounds like circa 2002. The DTRS is still in place and still using phase 1.


I often go to a spot near me and watch the GA traffic do circuits and listen on my BCD996P2 in the car. It's interesting because as they fly over they probably have no idea I'm down there listening. It can also be a great educational tool to listen and watch so you know exactly what is meant by left base, down wind, etc. And speaking of the aeronautics band, AWOS/ATIS is my go-to weather station of choice... And if I'm not near the aerodrome I'll call the phone number. LOL

I used to fly for UPS but then I woke up and realized that was just a dream. Just like everything in my life - just a dream... Today, due to medical issues, the FAR precludes me from actually flying. Well, I could fly a paraglider, but that's the limit.
 
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Sounds like circa 2002. The DTRS is still in place and still using phase 1.


I often go to a spot near me and watch the GA traffic do circuits and listen on my BCD996P2 in the car. It's interesting because as they fly over they probably have no idea I'm down there listening. It can also be a great educational tool to listen and watch so you know exactly what is meant by left base, down wind, etc. And speaking of the aeronautics band, AWOS/ATIS is my go-to weather station of choice... And if I'm not near the aerodrome I'll call the phone number. LOL

I used to fly for UPS but then I woke up and realized that was just a dream. Just like everything in my life - just a dream... Today, due to medical issues, the FAR precludes me from actually flying. Well, I could fly a paraglider, but that's the limit.
I hear you on ATIS Wx - for the area, I'll tune into them first, then NOAA (the NOAA station is farther away than the aerodrome.) I also used to fly, but only G/A. Still enjoy listening to the aero bands, tho. Still got the aero band programmed into the old '2006.

There is no way I could pass the FAA physical (or the DOT physical to be a truck driver, or the PADI physical to get back into SCUBA, and I wouldn't do well as a skydiver anymore, either.) But, at least I can say I did - including plenty of stick time in a Stearman PT-17 (one of my three favourites - and the only one I'd ever get to fly!) Had a buddy wanted to be an A-10 driver, so I took him up a couple of times in the PT-17 and wrung him out good. He decided to become an engineer, instead - because in an A-10, he'd just be doing the same things, only harder and faster...
 
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