Scanner Tales: Radio License Plates

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So everyone knows that hams can get their callsign on their license plates (tags for you southerners). In most states and provinces. As far as I know it is something in all states but if not, I am sure someone here will know. I have had ham radio plates in both states I have lived in and most of my ham friends do also.
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Some GMRS aficionados have advocated allowing GMRS licensees to also get that same privilege. As much as I like GMRS and as active in it I am (much more so than I am on the ham bands) I don’t think that is the right call to make. Hams have to take tests to obtain and upgrade their licenses while GMRS folk merely need to apply for it. Ham radio has been around since radio began and it has historically been a source for radio and electronics-trained people for the military and other public service agencies. Ham radio has also historically been active in disaster response as well as event handling. While that is lesser seen these days it still exists.
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GMRS is of course also part of emergency and event management in some areas but much less so than hams. It is for these reasons that I think ham radio deserves the honor of special plates while GMRS does not.

In some states where you can choose your plates, they allow various combinations like 3 letters/4 numerals or 4 letters/3 numerals so that your GMRS callsign can be accommodated, just as a standard Personalized plate. I have had that in both Arizona and Illinois. I suppose that since GMRS callsigns are just part of the regular callsign pool used for other land mobile services one could get their business band or public safety call if available.

While I have had only one ham radio callsign in my life that I retained when I upgraded and moved to a new call area, I have had 3 GMRS callsigns. I let my first (KAE4216) lapse as I was no longer interested in GMRS at the time. I did have an Illinois license plate with that callsign at one time as Illinois allowed 3 letter/4 number plates. I later replaced it with the then current 4x3 callsign (WQDZ664) and after I moved to Arizona and got really active in a GMRS club here I got that on my license plate. It was a point of pride in the club, which I had helped start (and was the president of) and a couple other members later followed my lead and got their GMRS callsigns on their vehicles.

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Stupidly, I let that callsign lapse accidentally. I got the notification from the FCC reminding me to renew my GMRS license (They used to do that) but forgot to follow up on it. When the club secretary handled my renewal they checked the FCC files and found that my call was expired. By the time it was discovered it was too late to reinstate it, so I had to get a new call. Pretty embarrassing for the club president to let his license lapse! I then replaced my state license plate with a new one with my new callsign.

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Later on, after my wife was found to have breast cancer. While scary for sure, thankfully it was caught extremely early, and a minor surgery followed up by radiation got her thru the medical side of her treatment. The rest and I of our family and friends got her thru the emotional side of it and she was declared cancer-free almost 4 years ago. We saw a Breast Cancer Awareness license plate on the way to the store one day and that evening went to the DMV website and applied for one. I decided to try to get my ham radio callsign on it and was pleasantly surprised that it would be allowed here in Arizona. Illinois would not allow that combination of letters and numbers on any plate other than the Ham Radio specialty but apparently Arizona is OK with it.

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It isn’t just ham radio and GMRS that are selected for license plates. I know a couple people who have had radio-related license plates, and I have had a couple myself. When I bought my first car as a teenager, I went to a currency exchange to apply for my title and registration. I was given a set of license plates over the counter; it was the one at the top of the pile. That plate was 460325. As a suburbanite in the Chicago area and a scanner user at the time I knew Chicago PD had frequencies in the UHF band but really didn’t recognize this as a scanner frequency. While it had no real meaning for me at the time I wish I would have at least retained the plate when that old Chevy was junked, I left both plates on it when it was towed away.

My best friend had the VHF frequency of the police department he worked at on his license plate; he even painted a dot in the proper place for the decimal point. Later on, he got KN3600, if you ever listened to police radio in Illinois you would recognize that as the mobile callsign for the ISPERN radio network. He also at various times had the 3x3 callsigns of the local State Police Post and a couple other radio-related calls over the years, including several of his ham radio ones (he has changed his calls a couple times when more desirable ones became available).

Another guy I knew had 155460 plates, again, Illinois scanner listeners would recognize that as a State Police channel. I have also seen “ISPERN”, “MABAS” and other Illinois channel names. I tried several times to get plates like these myself, they were either taken or assigned for distribution to banks, currency exchanges or SOS facilities. I tried to get “155475” (ISPERN in Illinois and a nationwide police interop channel), 470662 and later, when they authorized 7-digit plates, 4706625 (The police department I worked at used 470.6625) and a couple work callsigns. Other plates I tried to get included 155250, 155370, 154265 and other radio frequencies.

Another friend did get 145770, our local group used 145.770 as a simplex ham radio channel extensively and he was able to get that. He later got “CARMA95” back in 1995 in honor of our scanner club. Back in the CB days I knew of some guys that had their CB handles as vanity plates.

Another plate I was randomly assigned was “KHP822” That could have been an FCC callsign but I never was able to locate a license issued under that call. I don’t know to what service it would have been used and never found anything it could relate to.

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Not all my radio-related callsigns were real. My friend sent me a replica plate with my old KAE4216 callsign as a gift. It hangs in my garage with the rest of the plates I have saved over the years.

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Go to any ham fest or scanner club get-together and look for radio related license plates. While ham radio plates are common look for more subtle nods to the radio hobby. Look for other service’s callsigns, frequencies etc.
 

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I had ham plates back in the early 90's. got rid of them after I got married and was traveling a lot. Didn't like that name/address was readily available by looking up the license.

In California, amateur radio license plates are $20 extra.
They used to issue CB radio callsign plates, "back in the day".
Personalized plates are $103, and GMRS users could get their GMRS call on one of those, but I expect they'd like to pay the same has ham operators. Not sure what it's really good for as most would probably not recognize it as such.
 

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Great topic, I'm in Pennsylvania and over the years the amateur radio license plates have changed on and off. I believe now it just has your call letter.

I remember seeing them where it actually said below your call letter amateur radio operator at one point.

My dad always said don't get amateur radio call letter license plates as they are traceable to your address.. if someone sees the family car loaded with people taking a ride it means there probably isn't anybody home at your house and you might get burglarized 😂😂😂.
 
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I had ham plates back in the early 90's. got rid of them after I got married and was traveling a lot. Didn't like that name/address was readily available by looking up the license.

In California, amateur radio license plates are $20 extra.
They used to issue CB radio callsign plates, "back in the day".
Personalized plates are $103, and GMRS users could get their GMRS call on one of those, but I expect they'd like to pay the same has ham operators. Not sure what it's really good for as most would probably not recognize it as such.
When I was a police officer (and in subsequent years after retirement), I NEVER heard of a burglary, vandalism, or theft report on a vehicle with Ham Radio license plates. That applies to the residence of the vehicle owner of the ham license plate.

I would periodically ask fellow law enforcement officers if they ever handled a burglary or theft report to the vehicle or the ham's residence, and I was always told they never had.

My current plate is displayed below (as Rich had mentioned above). I had my own callsign on my plates, and after I become the repeater trustee of our local radio club, I had the Club's ham call on my vehicle's plates.

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When I was a police officer (and in subsequent years after retirement), I NEVER heard of a burglary, vandalism, or theft report on a vehicle with Ham Radio license plates. That applies to the residence of the vehicle owner of the ham license plate.

Well, that's good to know.

I was brought up to never provide information to someone that doesn't need it. and that's stuck with me. That includes no license plate frames showing city, sports teams, dealer name, or anything else. No stickers showing opinions or beliefs. It's a plain white pickup that would blend in anywhere and go unnoticed. No reason for anyone to give me a second thought. I prefer low profile, blend in, don't stand out, and don't give information to anyone. Not paranoid, just prefer to play my cards close and keep others guessing. One single antenna on the roof that most would probably never notice. Not the typical ham antenna, either, so most amateurs would probably not connect it to the hobby.


As for plates, I have a collection of old ones hanging in my garage. Mostly from times when my grandfather moved around for projects, several states/provinces over the years, mostly from the late 50's to early 60's. My wife had a collection as she bounced between the west coast and the east coast for a bit.
I wish I'd hung on to one of the ham plates, just to hang it up in the garage.
All hanging from the rafters in the garage, some with notes on the back about which cars they were on, which project, etc. Makes for good memories.

I recall seeing CB radio call sign plates as a kid. Usually there was a handle and channel number on the vehicle somewhere, also.
I don't think I've ever seen a GMRS or other call sign plate.
 

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The other thing about GMRS plates just being an apply and pay for license is the callsigns aren't unique and similar structure is used by commercial and public safety LMR licensees.
 

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I had ham plates back in the early 90's. got rid of them after I got married and was traveling a lot. Didn't like that name/address was readily available by looking up the license.

In California, amateur radio license plates are $20 extra.
They used to issue CB radio callsign plates, "back in the day".
Personalized plates are $103, and GMRS users could get their GMRS call on one of those, but I expect they'd like to pay the same has ham operators. Not sure what it's really good for as most would probably not recognize it as such.

In Virginia $1 extra for amateur tags.
 

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Well, that's good to know.

I was brought up to never provide information to someone that doesn't need it. and that's stuck with me. That includes no license plate frames showing city, sports teams, dealer name, or anything else. No stickers showing opinions or beliefs. It's a plain white pickup that would blend in anywhere and go unnoticed. No reason for anyone to give me a second thought. I prefer low profile, blend in, don't stand out, and don't give information to anyone. Not paranoid, just prefer to play my cards close and keep others guessing. One single antenna on the roof that most would probably never notice. Not the typical ham antenna, either, so most amateurs would probably not connect it to the hobby.


As for plates, I have a collection of old ones hanging in my garage. Mostly from times when my grandfather moved around for projects, several states/provinces over the years, mostly from the late 50's to early 60's. My wife had a collection as she bounced between the west coast and the east coast for a bit.
I wish I'd hung on to one of the ham plates, just to hang it up in the garage.
All hanging from the rafters in the garage, some with notes on the back about which cars they were on, which project, etc. Makes for good memories.

I recall seeing CB radio call sign plates as a kid. Usually there was a handle and channel number on the vehicle somewhere, also.
I don't think I've ever seen a GMRS or other call sign plate.
I agree with this. This is a large country but it's nice to hear there's never been one burglary as a result of some wrongdoer knowing that your house could possibly be empty or your wife could be alone because you are out on the road. I'm not taking any chances anyway.

I never mentioned anything about vandalism to the car, that doesn't make sense. Just like to be low-key and not have my name and address on the rear of my car.

I guess it would be cool back in the early '70s to have your CB call on the rear of your car as so many people had CB radios then and it let others know, that is if the 102 inch quarter wave whip didn't give it away anyway LOL.
 

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I'm in Pennsylvania and over the years the amateur radio license plates have changed on and off. I believe now it just has your call letter.
I remember seeing them where it actually said below your call letter amateur radio operator at one point.
Mine:
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And the "new style" I'm not really a huge fan of
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If you have your physical home address associated with your amateur or GMRS call sign, you are exposing personal identifying information every time you key up and announce your call sign or display amateur radio plates on your vehicle. If you believe doing so is an acceptable risk, go for it. I don't buy the nothing will ever happen or has happened related to ham plates. Plenty of nut jobs and bad actors out there, why make it easier for them? A QRZ lookup, they have your address. Further look ups using google maps and realtor.com may provide exterior and interior pictures of your home. Do what you want, my advice (29 years in law enforcement) DON'T DO IT. Use a P.O. Box for your FCC call signs. Personally, I use a virtual mailbox for my FCC call signs.
 

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There was a guy, years ago, in the north end of Seattle that had his car broken into in his driveway and the mobile (Yaesu IIRC) unceremoniously removed.

His insurance replaced it, and about 2 months later, at a different location, same thing (I think he was at work).

He switched to keeping a portable in his car and *presto*, same occurrence 6 months later, this time at Alderwood Mall.

Dumped the callsign plates and no more break-ins. I've never heard of anyone else being targeted the same way, so no data on others in that area experiencing similar issues, though I do believe @devicelab had something in the same vein happen.

Never heard of a house being hit, but statistically there's probably been one or two at some point.
 

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Arizona has an annual charge of $25.00, in addition to the vehicle license and tax.

The idea of the additional annual tax is not worth it to me.
 

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Arizona has an annual charge of $25.00, in addition to the vehicle license and tax.

The idea of the additional annual tax is not worth it to me.

In Virginia (with only a $1 extra charge for amateur tags though vanity plates are $10), on paper. You used to have to agree to keep a permanently attached radio in the vehicle available for emergency use but that requirement was dropped.
 

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The antennas on my vehicle advertise “radios inside”. My amateur callsign plate simply confirms it. Nothing stolen nor damaged and no trouble at home. I already had a P.O. Box, but my name will come up as will my home address with a subsequent search. Prior to having callsign plates, I had personalized plates using my business name.

I do not see California discounting the cost for a GMRS callsign plate if they can make more with a personalized one.

* My license plate frame says New York Yankees, so you know there are built-in haters already. Perhaps I should have kept a previous frame, Beer Drinkers Make Better Lovers. Looking into my rearview mirror I saw many women enjoying a laugh with that one.
 

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For security, I never have callsign license plates. It is too easy too lookup a home address with a callsign.

With so much road rage these days, they could drive to your house. You might say most do not know they can look up your address, but all they have to do is Google the callsign and probably at least one callsign lookup site will be returned. Granted it is not very likely, but can certainly happen.

Someone looking to steal a particular make and model of vehicle will know where to find it.

Some pervert might notice and fancy the looks of your wife, child or girlfriend and try to find them home alone.

Sure, they could just follow you home, but they wouldn't have to.
 

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For security, I never have callsign license plates. It is too easy too lookup a home address with a callsign.

With so much road rage these days, they could drive to your house. You might say most do not know they can look up your address, but all they have to do is Google the callsign and probably at least one callsign lookup site will be returned. Granted it is not very likely, but can certainly happen.

Someone looking to steal a particular make and model of vehicle will know where to find it.

Some pervert might notice and fancy the looks of your wife, child or girlfriend and try to find them home alone.

Sure, they could just follow you home, but they wouldn't have to.
I was a cop for over 3 decades. I have never heard of ANY of those ever occurring because someone looked up the address attached to any license plate. "Granted, it is not very likely but can certainly happen" is a tremendous overstatement. There's a chance I could be hit by a meteor today. It "can certainly happen."
 

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I was a cop for over 3 decades. I have never heard of ANY of those ever occurring because someone looked up the address attached to any license plate. "Granted, it is not very likely but can certainly happen" is a tremendous overstatement. There's a chance I could be hit by a meteor today. It "can certainly happen."
There are probably lots of things you never heard of happening, but chances are they did somewhere.

Cant do anything about a meteor, but you can limit your risk by not exposing personal information. Apples and oranges. Personal security should not be based on probabilities, but on possibilities. Limiting risk. Limiting unnecessary exposure. Social media accounts are one of the best examples of unnecessary exposure.

Some things in life require risk just in order to enjoy living. Driving on dangerous roadways. Going to crowded venues. Displaying my callsign on my vehicle does not hinder my enjoyment of life. It may if I were narcissistic.

One of the dumbest things I hear some people says is "Who would do something like that?" You never know, and that's the problem. It's right up there with "It was working yesterday!".
 

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There are probably lots of things you never heard of happening, but chances are they did somewhere.

Cant do anything about a meteor, but you can limit your risk by not exposing personal information. Apples and oranges. Personal security should not be based on probabilities, but on possibilities. Limiting risk. Limiting unnecessary exposure. Social media accounts are one of the best examples of unnecessary exposure.
My extreme phobia about meteors is why I refuse to buy or use an umbrella. I read once in a prepper journal that umbrellas will not protect me against meteors, so I figure why should I waste the money.
 

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My extreme phobia about meteors is why I refuse to buy or use an umbrella. I read once in a prepper journal that umbrellas will not protect me against meteors, so I figure why should I waste the money.
As shown, my preference is safety, I just don't want my name and address on my car while my wife was home alone and I was on the road. I also have a fear of being hit by a meteor, or worse, a piece of aging space junk.😉

I thought it was interesting that in Virginia the rule used to be it was only a dollar for amateur radio plates but you had to have permanently installed ham equipment installed in your car for emergencies.

There is a different interpretation of what ham radio operators are and what their role is/was in society over the years.

This role could be interpreted differently by government, the public and more importantly ham radio operators themselves now, than it was in the past.

The plates may have had some official interpretation at one point where courtesy was extended but now I think they're just vanity plates, like railroad plates, or conservation plates with the public and maybe even officials not knowing what they are or what amateur radio is/ or was..

This is not meant to lead to a yellow vest conversation.. every year at our very successful ham fests our ARC parking volunteers need them.😄
 
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