SDS100 First impressions!

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Thanks for that, UPMan. I've always disliked an SMA to BNC adapter because the SMA is too small and, in my personal experiences, does not handle the strain and tension of top-heavy adapters. I really like the Watson telescopic angle antennas and, if memory serves me correct, most of them are available with a choice between BNC and flush mount SMA connectors. Hoping I can find one to accommodate the SDS100.


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Jason I noticed that you are running SQL at 5 on the SDS100 did you also run the SQL at 5 on your 436HP?
 

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I get the gut feeling that Uniden is playing things smart here, with a "under-promise and over-deliver" mentality...purposely not bragging about LSM too much. I personally don't understand all the doubt. LSM isn't magical, it just requires equipment designed to properly demodulate LSM. Commercial radios do it, Unication does it, and Uniden simply created a scanner than can demodulate LSM. The only running question has been, "how much will it cost to build an LSM capable scanner?". I would have guessed more than this, so if all is what it seems, Uniden has done a great thing here.

As far as Unication being the "gold standard" of LSM reception, after spending time with the G4 I would strongly disagree that the G4 / G5 pagers work as well as a new public safety radio. The Unication units make annoying / odd noises at times on local systems, and go completely deaf near Verizon cell sites around here. Sometimes they just drop their link, and have to re-establish it, taking 15-30 seconds. I have spent considerable time around in-service police radios on the local LSM system and they do a much better job with LSM / digital decoding than Unications, which as I have long said have performance somewhere between a scanner an a public safety radio. So, sorry to stray a bit, but the SDS100 does NOT have to match a public safety radio to match the LSM performance of Unication. If it does match Unication as expected, it will make the G4 and G5 utterly irrelevant for scanner users.

If I had to bet money right now, I would bet that a lot of skeptics are going to be surprised. LSM has been around for a while and demodulating it isn't magic, we are just used to scanners that didn't do it.
 

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I get the gut feeling that Uniden is playing things smart here, with a "under-promise and over-deliver" mentality...purposely not bragging about LSM too much. I personally don't understand all the doubt. LSM isn't magical, it just requires equipment designed to properly demodulate LSM. Commercial radios do it, Unication does it, and Uniden simply created a scanner than can demodulate LSM. The only running question has been, "how much will it cost to build an LSM capable scanner?". I would have guessed more than this, so if all is what it seems, Uniden has done a great thing here.

As far as Unication being the "gold standard" of LSM reception, after spending time with the G4 I would strongly disagree that the G4 / G5 pagers work as well as a new public safety radio. The Unication units make annoying / odd noises at times on local systems, and go completely deaf near Verizon cell sites around here. Sometimes they just drop their link, and have to re-establish it, taking 15-30 seconds. I have spent considerable time around in-service police radios on the local LSM system and they do a much better job with LSM / digital decoding than Unications, which as I have long said have performance somewhere between a scanner an a public safety radio. So, sorry to stray a bit, but the SDS100 does NOT have to match a public safety radio to match the LSM performance of Unication. If it does match Unication as expected, it will make the G4 and G5 utterly irrelevant for scanner users.

If I had to bet money right now, I would bet that a lot of skeptics are going to be surprised. LSM has been around for a while and demodulating it isn't magic, we are just used to scanners that didn't do it.

Clear, well stated, and we agree.
Seems there are people on RR that bring in personal antagonism merely to create controversy...
 

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Clear, well stated, and we agree.
Seems there are people on RR that bring in personal antagonism merely to create controversy...

Yup, radio guys love to argue and the tribalism in fans of different manufacturers is interesting. I'm not a brand loyalty person so I use what works, including pretty much everything from the big two and a G4.

Plus they have no promised the base model to the SDS100 yet either. But most likely they are working on the release soon but making sure there are no hardware related issues with the radios like there was and is with the BCD536HP radios. Make sure they get it right this time. Just strange they released and announced both base/portable units last go around but only released the portable version for now.

I crave the base model of the SDS as much as anyone, and am dying for it's inevitable release. However, I am very curious as to how the massive amount of information available on the SDS100 is going to be reduced down to work on the screen of a typical sized base / mobile radio...there may be a disappointing compromise coming there I fear...but I'll still buy it the day it is released. My digital base scanners are essentially worthless on LSM at this point with a 30' feed point on my antenna....my antenna sees the signal from EVERY site so I get garbage...and I'm pretty much done playing with yagi antennas and am waiting for an intelligent solution. My money awaits Uniden!!
 

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seems everyone is all in before you know its going to work or not like we all HOPE it will.


Multiple videos of it "working" is a good indicator. I know each system is different but I can't imagine that the videos were faked or that the finished product would work any differently. Contrary to popular belief, LSM reception is not voodoo it is just applying the correct technology to solve the problem.
 

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i sure hope so i live in parma guess its a DEAD SPOT to monitor Ohio Marc's Radio System i got the TRX-2 THINKING it would work better than the Pro-197 i had and sold i was WRONG lol

Devices either properly demodulate LSM, or they don't. No scanner available until now demodulates LSM correctly....so you can compare any two devices by Whistler or Uniden made before this point, and they will all fail miserably in "bad spots" within a LSM system. There were different approaches (Uniden would only open squelch with a decent decode / miss many transmissions...Whistler would open squelch more, but you would hear more garbled nonsense)...however no approach solved the underlying issue of not being able to demodulate LSM.

Not on you, but I get a kick out of those who say "yeah, but just wait until the SDS100 is tried on MY (insert name of LSM system) system! Let's see if it works then!". Again, if you can demodulate LSM, it doesn't matter what system you try, it will work. The videos that have been posted clearly show the difference between the SDS100 and other scanners on LSM systems. All indications are that the unit will essentially / for the most part solve the issues plaguing scanner users for more than a decade (with LSM).

If the unit ships, and there is a mass outcry from people saying "they were wrong, it doesn't work!!", Uniden will be devastated. I just don't see them setting themselves up for that type of disaster / damage.
 

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Perhaps you will be able to retrofit GPS...

When my SDS-100 arrives, I'm going to play with it for a bit to verify that it works properly and to make sure my custom display layout does what I want.

Then I'm going to take it apart, and make every effort to find a way to put a GPS inside it.

I will post photos and maybe video of the results either way.

I'm optimistic that it is possible, but I don't want to be too emphatic about the prospect until I've seen the internals, and know for sure.
 

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Zipscanners says that my SDS100 just shipped....so apparently they are shipping early.
 

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I got a message from Jeff at Hamstation that my SDS-100 shipped as well. So apparently it didn't take an excessive amount of time for the shipment to get through customs.
 

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When viewing a trunking system on the sds will it be able to show the unit id number as well as the name that i edit that number to ??

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Yes, there are separate items for Unit ID and Unit ID Name.
 

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thanks any idea how many letters the unit id name will display?
 

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It depends on which box you put it in. Some are larger than others.
 

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Jon can you customize the labels to large font and how each label is arranged. In other words, system, talkgroup then Unit ID as follows:
PALM BEACH CO P25
PBCFR TAC 2A (or ID Scanning when TG not in use)
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Hit send by accident at. And then have all the diagnostics below showing system ID, WACN, NAC etc


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