Sds100 P25 One sided transmission issue

[rccrypto24]

I just purchased my SDS 100. So far everything has been working great. Then I noticed that one of the departments Redmond PD i was listening to was only getting the transmission and responses from the police officers, and never hearing the dispatch side. I have it set on a two second delay, and it does show a radio transmission continuing likely when dispatch is speaking. And then it’ll go back to the police officer and then I can hear the officer perfectly fine. The transmissions are not showing encrypted. I’m also having this issue with the Deschutes County sheriffs office. The transmission shows up, but I hear nothing not even deputies or dispatch.

 

[hiegtx]

I just purchased my SDS 100. So far everything has been working great. Then I noticed that one of the departments Redmond PD i was listening to was only getting the transmission and responses from the police officers, and never hearing the dispatch side. I have it set on a two second delay, and it does show a radio transmission continuing likely when dispatch is speaking. And then it’ll go back to the police officer and then I can hear the officer perfectly fine. The transmissions are not showing encrypted. I’m also having this issue with the Deschutes County sheriffs office. The transmission shows up, but I hear nothing not even deputies or dispatch.

The database shows both the county, as well as Redmond, use the statewide system.

The talkgroups for the couty S.O. talkgroups ate tagged, in the database, as TE. That indicates full time encryption, So, if that is correct, you would not receive any audio when encryption is present.

For Redmond, dispatch is also flagged as full time encryption, TE. However, looking at the county's talkgroups, I see some tagged (other than dispatch) as Te, The lower case e means part time encryption. While Redmond's talkgroups are not tagged as part time, it may be possible that, at times,some of the field units, talking to dispatch, may actually be 'in the clear', in other words, part-time rncryption. You might ask that your thread be moved to the Oregon forum, where someone local to you may be able to clarify whether encryption usage is part time, as in the filed units in the clear, whereas dispatch is always encrypted. You should see an ENC in the display if the signal the scanner is receiving is actually decrypted. For most Uniden scanners, encrypted audio is not sent to the speaker. You would not hear anything useful.

 

[smithken]

I just purchased my SDS 100. So far everything has been working great. Then I noticed that one of the departments Redmond PD i was listening to was only getting the transmission and responses from the police officers, and never hearing the dispatch side. I have it set on a two second delay, and it does show a radio transmission continuing likely when dispatch is speaking. And then it’ll go back to the police officer and then I can hear the officer perfectly fine. The transmissions are not showing encrypted. I’m also having this issue with the Deschutes County sheriffs office. The transmission shows up, but I hear nothing not even deputies or dispatch.

Redmond? In what state/country?

 

[hiegtx]

Redmond? In what state/country?

Deschutes County
Oregon

 

[rccrypto24]

Redmond? In what state/country?

Oregon

 

[rccrypto24]

The database shows both the county, as well as Redmond, use the statewide system.

The talkgroups for the couty S.O. talkgroups ate tagged, in the database, as TE. That indicates full time encryption, So, if that is correct, you would not receive any audio when encryption is present.

For Redmond, dispatch is also flagged as full time encryption, TE. However, looking at the county's talkgroups, I see some tagged (other than dispatch) as Te, The lower case e means part time encryption. While Redmond's talkgroups are not tagged as part time, it may be possible that, at times,some of the field units, talking to dispatch, may actually be 'in the clear', in other words, part-time rncryption. You might ask that your thread be moved to the Oregon forum, where someone local to you may be able to clarify whether encryption usage is part time, as in the filed units in the clear, whereas dispatch is always encrypted. You should see an ENC in the display if the signal the scanner is receiving is actually decrypted. For most Uniden scanners, encrypted audio is not sent to the speaker. You would not hear anything useful.

Thank you for your response. I do not see TE lowercase or uppercase in any of the transmissions that I’m not hearing anything on. I was curious if that was a possibility in the beginning however, if you go to broadcast or to 50 radio, which is a scanner app that you can download on your iPhone I can hear both Redmond and Deschutes County dispatch and officers deputies, etc. transmissions back-and-forth with none of this issue. So definitely not encrypted.

 

[n1chu]

In Ct. the Town of Southington PD moved from a conventional VHF High Band system to P25. They kept their existing frequencies and added none. But they use both systems and somehow use both with the dispatch on one and the mobile units on the other. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on with you but another post says the system is encrypted 100% of the time, in which case they may be only half encrypted (which would allow you to hear just one side of the conversation-and the fully encrypted notation would be wrong.) The SDS100 and SDS200 will ignore encryption and continue scanning. A call or visit to the dispatch center might help you gain an understanding of how the system is used and further, what it’s capable of.

 

[donc13]

Sounds like you are listening to the input frequency of a repeater.

 

[Ubbe]

But they use both systems and somehow use both with the dispatch on one and the mobile units on the other.

It's common practice when you move from an old open system to a new encrypted one that you patch the dispatchers transmission into both systems to cover any left behind radios in the old system and will be heard until that system are decommissioned. If all mobile units respond in the new encrypted system then they can not be monitored.

/Ubbe

 

[rccrypto24]

Thank you for your response. I do not see TE lowercase or uppercase in any of the transmissions that I’m not hearing anything on. I was curious if that was a possibility in the beginning however, if you go to broadcast or to 50 radio, which is a scanner app that you can download on your iPhone I can hear both Redmond and Deschutes County dispatch and officers deputies, etc. transmissions back-and-forth with none of this issue. So definitely not encrypted.

In Ct. the Town of Southington PD moved from a conventional VHF High Band system to P25. They kept their existing frequencies and added none. But they use both systems and somehow use both with the dispatch on one and the mobile units on the other. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on with you but another post says the system is encrypted 100% of the time, in which case they may be only half encrypted (which would allow you to hear just one side of the conversation-and the fully encrypted notation would be wrong.) The SDS100 and SDS200 will ignore encryption and continue scanning. A call or visit to the dispatch center might help you gain an understanding of how the system is used and further, what it’s capable of.

I can hear both sides on broadcastify and on othe scanner Apps. Which means it’s not encrypted.
A setting on my sds100 seems to be the issue. Could it possibly be firmware ?

 

[rccrypto24]

In Ct. the Town of Southington PD moved from a conventional VHF High Band system to P25. They kept their existing frequencies and added none. But they use both systems and somehow use both with the dispatch on one and the mobile units on the other. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on with you but another post says the system is encrypted 100% of the time, in which case they may be only half encrypted (which would allow you to hear just one side of the conversation-and the fully encrypted notation would be wrong.) The SDS100 and SDS200 will ignore encryption and continue scanning. A call or visit to the dispatch center might help you gain an understanding of how the system is used and further, what it’s capable of.

Sounds like you are listening to the input frequency of a repeater.

I can hear both sides on broadcastify and on othe scanner Apps. Which means it’s not encrypted.
A setting on my sds100 seems to be the issue. Could it possibly be firmware ?

 

[rccrypto24]

It's common practice when you move from an old open system to a new encrypted one that you patch the dispatchers transmission into both systems to cover any left behind radios in the old system and will be heard until that system are decommissioned. If all mobile units respond in the new encrypted system then they can not be monitored.

/Ubbe

I can hear both sides on broadcastify and on othe scanner Apps. Which means it’s not encrypted.
A setting on my sds100 seems to be the issue. Could it possibly be firmware ?

 

[rccrypto24]

Sounds like you are listening to the input frequency of a repeater.

I can hear both sides on broadcastify and on othe scanner Apps. Which means it’s not encrypted.
A setting on my sds100 seems to be the issue. Could it possibly be firmware ?

 

[hiegtx]

I can hear both sides on broadcastify and on othe scanner Apps. Which means it’s not encrypted.
A setting on my sds100 seems to be the issue. Could it possibly be firmware ?

If it was a 'firmware issue', you'd have issues on more than just these agencies.

Looking at the 'live audio' listings for your county, I see this:

For the county and Redmond, as well as Bend (in your county), those feeds are tagged as "Public Safety", which means that the feed is provided by the agency, not someone listening and streaming via Briadcastify. (Hover your mouse over the star icon and you'll see that notation.)If the agency itself, as in this case, provides the feed, it's their choice, and ability, to stram the live audio even if it is encrypted when trying to listen to the talkgroups via a scanner.

That still does not confirm, either way, whether encryption is used on the system. I realize these are not tagged in the database as encrypted, , but that is based on RR members submitting information to the database. I would suggest that you request your thread be moved to the Oregon forum, where somebody in that area is more likely to be found, and perhaps can confirm whether or not encryption is in place, even though the database does not currently reflect that. If you want to verify this in your state forum, do not start a new thread. Instead, click on the Report link in the lower left hand corner of your post. which will give you way to ask that a moderator move this discussion.

 

[rccrypto24]

If it was a 'firmware issue', you'd have issues on more than just these agencies.

Looking at the 'live audio' listings for your county, I see this:
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For the county and Redmond, as well as Bend (in your county), those feeds are tagged as "Public Safety", which means that the feed is provided by the agency, not someone listening and streaming via Briadcastify. (Hover your mouse over the star icon and you'll see that notation.)If the agency itself, as in this case, provides the feed, it's their choice, and ability, to stram the live audio even if it is encrypted when trying to listen to the talkgroups via a scanner.

That still does not confirm, either way, whether encryption is used on the system. I realize these are not tagged in the database as encrypted, , but that is based on RR members submitting information to the database. I would suggest that you request your thread be moved to the Oregon forum, where somebody in that area is more likely to be found, and perhaps can confirm whether or not encryption is in place, even though the database does not currently reflect that. If you want to verify this in your state forum, do not start a new thread. Instead, click on the Report link in the lower left hand corner of your post. which will give you way to ask that a moderator move this discussion.

 

[rccrypto24]

This is what shows up

 

[hiegtx]

This is what shows up

That screenshot is from...? Your scanner (via remote control software such as ProScan or ARC536Pro)

That talkgroup, for Grizzly, Crook County, is tagged as encrypted in the database. However, if you can receive that talkgroup, the TE (full time encryption) may be in error.

That TGID is not flagged, in the database, as being part of the Broadcastify Calls feeds.

While you may have included that in your Deschutes County system in a Favorites list, it is not Deschutes S.O. nor Redmond, which you were originally asking about. And, as already noted, the feeds for Deschutes County and for Redmond are provided by the agencies themselves, not from monitoring them on a scanner and feeding that to Briadcastify live audio.. (See the screenshot in post 14 above.) When the agency itself, as in this case, provides the feed, it is coming directly from their dispatch office, not on a talkgroup receivable by a scanner. They are providing "clear" audio to Broadcastify, but since they are the ones providing the feed, if there was a critical, sensitive, incident, such as a barricaded person (stand-off), or some other violent crime in progress, they have the option of turning off the feed until the incident is over.

 

[ScanRite]

I just purchased my SDS 100. So far everything has been working great. Then I noticed that one of the departments Redmond PD i was listening to was only getting the transmission and responses from the police officers, and never hearing the dispatch side. I have it set on a two second delay, and it does show a radio transmission continuing likely when dispatch is speaking. And then it’ll go back to the police officer and then I can hear the officer perfectly fine. The transmissions are not showing encrypted. I’m also having this issue with the Deschutes County sheriffs office. The transmission shows up, but I hear nothing not even deputies or dispatch.

I sent you a message.

 

[dmfalk]

This is what shows up

If it was encrypted, it'll say "ENC", instead of "DATA". In this case, it's either a control signal or, just as it says, a data stream, ie: info being sent out as data to officers in the field, instead of voice. (Yes, such data is sent out on trunked systems in many areas. These signals, prior to going digital or being trunked, used to be separate feeds for car computers while on patrol.)

 

[kd7jfv]

I can confirm that some of Redmond PD's radios are not encrypted and some of the dispatchers are not encrypted, it is completely random. That being said, a majority of their radios are encrypted ALL the Time. The broadcastify feeds are supplied by Deschutes 911 and they are on a 30 minute delay and they are "in the clear" because they are supplying the audio. Nothing wrong with your scanner.