Seminole County So 152,12750 DMR

[ecollins11]

I did a search and Found the Seminole County So in 152.12750 using mototrbo with DSD+ I Looked up the Freq on The FCC ULS database for that freq for Oklahoma and no match was found even ran the freq search all states and no match found, I believe that the Seminole County SO is operating without a valid license on that freq. I have 152.12750 Programmed into my Tytera MD-380 the the color code of 1 and repeater slot 1 and talk group 1 I hear central Dispatch and the Seminole county Units an also the OHP Delta units that are in Seminole County..

 

[ecps92]

that is down in the old Paging/RCC band.
Searching the FCC by Freq will NOT return a license.

I did a search and Found the Seminole County So in 152.12750 using mototrbo with DSD+ I Looked up the Freq on The FCC ULS database for that freq for Oklahoma and no match was found even ran the freq search all states and no match found, I believe that the Seminole County SO is operating without a valid license on that freq. I have 152.12750 Programmed into my Tytera MD-380 the the color code of 1 and repeater slot 1 and talk group 1 I hear central Dispatch and the Seminole county Units an also the OHP Delta units that are in Seminole County..

 

[902]

This frequency was won at auction by a licenseholder who can do whatever they'd like with it, including lease part or all of the spectrum within the market confines as though it were real estate. There IS a license, it may or may not be to the agency, but most assuredly, just because it can't be seen doesn't necessarily mean it's not legal. It's a Part 22 channel, not a Part 90 channel, so it won't be referenced in ULS. You could search for who won the auction, and who the registered leaseholders are, but you'd need to dig pretty deep and go into the unusual areas of the database.

 

[plaws]

I believe that the Seminole County SO is operating without a valid license on that freq

As noted, likely a Part 22 license. The VFDs in Cleveland Co are on a channel like this. We finally decoded the CWID and found that, indeed, it's licensed (WPVD490).

If you go to ULS and search in the Market Based licenses and select Part 22 you can list out the licenses. Searching for Oklahoma between 152.1 and 152.2, there are 14 active licenses to 1 individual and two companies. Copy any CWID you hear, and you'll find the license.

 

[nd5y]

Part 22 Paging Channels - The RadioReference Wiki

 

[ecollins11]

As noted, likely a Part 22 license. The VFDs in Cleveland Co are on a channel like this. We finally decoded the CWID and found that, indeed, it's licensed (WPVD490).

If you go to ULS and search in the Market Based licenses and select Part 22 you can list out the licenses. Searching for Oklahoma between 152.1 and 152.2, there are 14 active licenses to 1 individual and two companies. Copy any CWID you hear, and you'll find the license.

I have been looking but didn't find anything yet ..

 

[ecollins11]

I found the info I was looking for for Seminole County So ..

 

[ecps92]

Sharing is Caring, and you found ???:roll:

I found the info I was looking for for Seminole County So ..

 

[radiomanNJ1]

If this radio is being used simplex then the Law Enforcement agency may use any frequency for 5 watts or less. While I don't know the FCC rule number it is indeed a rule.

It was designed so that Law Enforcement could conduct stealth operations.

I think some people on the thread are more worried about being the radio police and not the sharing of the information so others may enjoy the hobby.

 

[ecps92]

You are correct on the Low Power (thought it as 2, but might be now 5) on a Non Interference basis. Yet we know some bootleg outside of the proper allocations as well

Here in New England a Major Drug TF used 155.9100, a NHSP channel, no one ever caught it (well, not No One)

However as many of us know the Public Safety use of former Paging channels as well as Business use, as they Bought at Auction has been occurring for sometime now.

It just takes a little bit of monitoring to figure it out, then some DEEP FCC sluething to find the actual license.

If this radio is being used simplex then the Law Enforcement agency may use any frequency for 5 watts or less. While I don't know the FCC rule number it is indeed a rule.

It was designed so that Law Enforcement could conduct stealth operations.

I think some people on the thread are more worried about being the radio police and not the sharing of the information so others may enjoy the hobby.

 

[nd5y]

If this radio is being used simplex then the Law Enforcement agency may use any frequency for 5 watts or less. While I don't know the FCC rule number it is indeed a rule.

You got it partially right. There are two rules for unlicensed low power police use that are only applicable to certain frequency ranges, not "any frequency" and don't include leased Part 22 frequencies which is what this thread is about.

90.20 (f) (5) says

(5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz, listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, for communications in connection with physical surveillance, stakeouts, raids, and other such activities. Such use shall be on a secondary basis to operations of licensees regularly authorized on the assigned frequencies. The maximum output power that may be used for such communications is 2 watts. Transmitters, operating under this provision of the rules, shall be exempted from the station identification requirements of §90.425. Use of frequencies not designated by a “PP” in the coordinator column of the frequency table in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, is conditional on the approval of the coordinator corresponding to each frequency.

"paragraph (c)(3) of this section" is the public safety pool frequency table.

The other rule is 90.20 (e) (5) which deals with non-voice tracking transmitters.

eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

 

[ecollins11]

Sharing is Caring, and you found ???:roll:

Here is what I found

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2575101

 

[ecollins11]

If this radio is being used simplex then the Law Enforcement agency may use any frequency for 5 watts or less. While I don't know the FCC rule number it is indeed a rule.

It was designed so that Law Enforcement could conduct stealth operations.

I think some people on the thread are more worried about being the radio police and not the sharing of the information so others may enjoy the hobby.

The Freq is is a repeater that the Seminole County So is on 152.12750 with a input of 158.5875 they are using DMR with a Color Code 1 Repeater slot 1 TG=1 I can hear them very good here in Ada with the TYT MD-380 HT with the stubby duck antenna,

 

[ecps92]

Aka Lawton Communications (Rental Agency)
Search the FCC on the FRN of 0002504322 for his other licenses

Here is what I found

ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPZG904 - Patrick, Arthur R