Not trying to be a smartass but I guess you don't know what the id search setting is for,
BCD436HP/BCD536HP: Sentinel versus Butel
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Not trying to be a smartass but I guess you don't know what the id search setting is for,
How do you think those Talk groups get found and added to the DB?
Butel Vs Sentinel
Oh sure, you can make a new FL create a new system create a site create a dept. add frequencies manually, add tg's manually.
Or you can use ARC536 to import it.
Your choice!
I use both and they both have +'s & -'s
That is why this thread exists.
Oh sure, you can make a new FL create a new system create a site create a dept. add frequencies manually, add tg's manually.
Or you can use ARC536 to import it.
Your choice!
I use both and they both have +'s & -'s
That is why this thread exists.
U R mistaken about it not being scan-able.
Let me add then - for the average user, which is what a zip code baseed system is designed for.
A huge proportion of the users have no idea what ID search does, many can't even create a favorite list
End of debate - I run id search, I have radios running Pro96 and Unitrunker and one recording every talkgroup on a system 24/7 for radio id info. I have submitted more than my share for my area.
And I still do not use ARC for ANY of it.
I could do that quicker than firing up ARC Or a PC for that mater.
Inputting the TG's is what takes time.
Or a PC for that mater.Inputting the TG's is what takes time.
1 It is a new system; It should be in the Sentinel DB.
2 shouldn't have to wait for Sentinel to update DB.
3 The Coast Guard VHF/UHF channels deserve alpha tags.
We're just exploring the differences here.
Sentinel Vs Butel on HP1/HP2/BCDx36HP
End of story.
2 shouldn't have to wait for Sentinel to update DB.
3 The Coast Guard VHF/UHF channels deserve alpha tags.
We're just exploring the differences here.
Sentinel Vs Butel on HP1/HP2/BCDx36HP
End of story.
Butel Vs Sentinel
OK I forgot to mention. ARC536 let's you create a printable list of all your quick keys. Sentinel don't do that.
Pretty handy when your on the fly & wanna turn off/on a site, dept, system, favorite list & you can't quite remember all 99 in the List!
OK I forgot to mention. ARC536 let's you create a printable list of all your quick keys. Sentinel don't do that.
Pretty handy when your on the fly & wanna turn off/on a site, dept, system, favorite list & you can't quite remember all 99 in the List!
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Until butel gives me my own code again without a fee I will never give them my money again, I know its not my fault for keeping (printing and saving) 2 copies of Butel, for now Sentinel and freescan only
That's where organization comes in.
Sometimes there's a limit Voyager. Perhaps not for yourself, But I'm being honest with myself.
I've only had my 436 a little over a month, I'm still trying to figure out what works best for myself. Until I get there; I'll use the cheat sheet.
I'm not sure what your problem is? Is there a limit? I have multiple codes, a set for each version of Butel that I use for different radio's, If you printed and saved your codes; what is the issue, you lost them? I'm confused.
I am, too. I use logical organization which allows me to remember much more than I otherwise would be able to remember.
My FLQKs are based on a map system which I have described previously:
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FLs are regional - usually consisting of about 9 counties. I currently have FLs covering 3 states. The first digit of the FL is the "super-region" - which is defined as a group of 9 FLs, and the second is map-based (get to that in a moment). I also have some FLs that are service-based, such as FLs 91-99 which are for Hospitals, Utilities, Schools, Services (ITINERANT, FM, MURS, CB, Air, RR, Ham, Marine, STORES, MALLS, ROAD CREWS, TOWING, NEWS, SECURITY, AIRSHOWS, Etc.)
So, yes, my channels are duplicated - I can access them by region or by service depending on what I want to monitor at the time. I can monitor all channels in an area, or all RR channels in many areas (basically all RR channels in range) to find new active channels.
The Systems in each FL are unique to each County, and have a map-based quick key (1=NW, 2=N, 3=NE, 4=W, 5=central, 6=E, 7=SW, 8=S, 9=SE, 0=regional). If an area has a trunked system and conventional channels, they are enabled/disabled with the same Quick Key.
I do have one county that is large enough to warrant a single FL, and in that case the 1-9 represents grids of that single county (NW, N, NE, W, central, E, SW, S, SE, regional).
My Departments (or Groups) are organized under each System as follows:
1 POLICE
2 FIRE
3 EMS
4 STATE
5 PW
6 HAZMAT
7 EMA
8 INTEROP
9 OTHER PS (SO / JAIL)
0 UNCONFIRMED PS
11 DEPARTMENT STORES
12 RESTAURANTS
13 FAST FOOD
14 THEATERS
15 GROCERY STORES
16 MALL OPS
17 INDUSTRIAL
18 SECURITY
19 OTHER BIZ
10 UNCONFIRMED BIZ
21 MEDIA
22 AIR
23 RR
24 MARINE
25 TRANSPORTATION
26 ATTRACTIONS
27 COLLEGES
28 SCHOOLS
29 HOSPITALS
20 UNCONFIRMED SERVICES
31 UTILITIES - POWER
32 UTILITIES - GAS
33 UTILITIES - WATER
34 UTILITIES - CABLE
35 UTILITIES - TELEPHONE
36 FM
37 AM
38
39 HAM
30 UNCONFIRMED UTIL
41 FEDERAL
42 MILAIR
43 PARKS
44 VA
45 NATIONAL INTEROP
46 GMRS
47 FRS
48 MURS
49 CB
40 UNCONFIRMED FED
Quick Keys 51-99 are for Sites on Trunked Systems with smaller ones only using 91-99.
You may notice that like users are grouped together - 0-9 is PS, 10-19 is Business, 20-29 is Services, 30-39 is Utilities (with some others to fill the space), 40-49 is Federal with others to fill the space). Again, it's all about organization to help keep things easy to remember.
Obviously, some Departments are blank in many Systems, such as the CB list. I added it for completeness and expandability.
The number in front of the Department/Group tag is the Quick Key for reference. All my FLs, Systems, and Depts/Group use prepended Quick Key numbers. It helps remember what is what, and if I am using QK 44 and moving east, I know the next one to enable will be 45. If I were going south, the next one would have been 47. So, as long as you know the general direction you are going, remembering all those Quick Keys is trivial.
Obviously, this list is optimized for an x36 series scanner, but I do something similar with other scanners - both Uniden and GRE.
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Since everything is the same, it's easy to remember. I have a few oddball FLs, but since there are only a few it's trivial to remember those.
Thanks, Voyager, Your breakdown is very informative. I'll take it under advisement in figuring out a system that works for me.
That's the key. What works for you, may differ in how I, or someone else, organizes their favorites lists and systems.
When I create a "starter" programming file for some one else, trying to give them a jump start in programming their new scanner, I generally ask them what are their listening interests-law enforcement, Fore, ems, something else? And, of course, their location.
Then, depending on their scanner & what it is capable of, I usually start with their home city and county, After entering scannable systems (for example, if they have only a P25, Phase I capable scanner, any Phase II system in range is omitted), I add the systems in the surrounding counties. Starting with the one to their north, then I add adjacent counties in a clockwise order. Is that the best way? Not necessarily, but it is an easy concept to explain and understand to a relatively new user.
Absolutely. But, the key is organization. Create a system that is easy for you to remember.
Just like planning a trip. If you know what routes you want to take you will get there quicker than trying random routes (AKA not organizing your FLs, Systems, Departments, and Channels).
Guess great minds are thinking alike - I use a very similar methodology in my layouts as does Voyager. I'm also including Quick Key numbers in front of the FL, System and Department, with a letter. For example F01, S01, D01.
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Is this printout only available with the ARC536 Software, or can I obtain a like type printout with ARC XT for the 996P2?
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