Somerset County TKD Unication G5

[edisonfire]

Can anyone clarify if using only control channels I can monitor both the 500MHZ and 700 MHZ trunked systems in Somerset County on the same Unication G5 setting. Both the 500 & 700 systems share System & WACN numbers, although the 500Mhz RFSS 1, Site 3, and the 700MHZ uses RFSS 1, Site 4. Hillsborough had a working fire with a lot of tanker movement and covers and I was getting relatively nothing. Once I broke up the 500 & 700 into separate systems, I started hearing fire activity

The 500 trunked system has 10 frequencies, the 700 MHZ has 6 so they theoretically could fit into a single system

 

[JD21960]

Somerset Co. TKD Unication G5

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[APX8000]

You could set it up as different “systems” using only the 500 control channels and site ID OR 700 control channels and site ID. Then assign those “systems” to different knob positions. All your talkgroups would be the same. So knob position 1 could be 500 and 2 could be 700. Or you could list both 500 and 700 together as one “system” and both Site IDs but it would lock on to the first control channel that it receives. So if certain talkgroups are carried on 700 and you are locked on 500, you will not hear anything. Make sense ?


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[rr60]

Can anyone clarify if using only control channels I can monitor both the 500MHZ and 700 MHZ trunked systems in Somerset County on the same Unication G5 setting. Both the 500 & 700 systems share System & WACN numbers, although the 500Mhz RFSS 1, Site 3, and the 700MHZ uses RFSS 1, Site 4. Hillsborough had a working fire with a lot of tanker movement and covers and I was getting relatively nothing. Once I broke up the 500 & 700 into separate systems, I started hearing fire activity

The 500 trunked system has 10 frequencies, the 700 MHZ has 6 so they theoretically could fit into a single system

If you have the switch availability I would consider going w (3) separate systems. Franklin, Somerset 500 and Somerset 700.

I believe the following is valid. Once the old 500 3600 system was decpreciated all Fire and EMS were forced onto the current 500 MHZ 9600 system. Any Fire or EMS heard on 700 system is patched. Patched audio is not that good IMHO. The Fire EMS traffic is also P25 on the 500 system not P2. My ear likes that too.

I am not aware of any Fire departments operating on 700 Phase 2 exclusively. The last time I checked they were prohibited because of capacity, with the exception of OEM. Of course that may have changed.

Regarding reception keep in mind that the 500/700 systems are not necessarily co-located. This can lead to confusion and reception differences.

 

[rr60]

Can anyone clarify if using only control channels I can monitor both the 500MHZ and 700 MHZ trunk?

The 500 trunked system has 10 frequencies, the 700 MHZ has 6 so they theoretically could fit into a single system

J
Here is a screenshot that should help you. You set up one system with two sites using the different site ID numbers them simply add the control channel frequencies for both sites (500/700).

The potential problem is TG strapping that is by affiliation only. So you are near a 700 Site and the G5 sees the CC and locks on (remember sites are not collocated) If you want traffic from the 500 side and that TG is exclusive to 500 and not full time simulcast, that is a potential problem I believe. Here are my systems. I can have any choice by simply changing the knob.

 

[edisonfire]

So, in essence based on whatever tower the G5 locks onto on the mixed 500/700 6-control channel scenario, one might get only the 500 or 700 traffic, and miss out on the other. There doesn't seem to be a way to manually select what tower you want the radio to affiliate with? Martinsville has a tower for NJICS, as does Hunterdon County but unless a radio from Newark or Elizabeth or many other Union County fire dept's is affiliated I won't hear that traffic. It's better on weekends as off-duty chiefs may have their radio affiliated from their suburban homes. I wonder if Unication is working on a way (Software update) to allow the user to define which tower site to connect with. New Brunswick fire affiliates with Union county vs the Rutgers tower site so again, a department so close yet so far.

 

[rr60]

J; Well the best way to think of the Unication pager a passive device. Unlike a two way radio that is a subscriber unit programmed with a system key. That sub unit continuously is updated through the control channel. The control channel always directs the sub. Think of that as an active smart device. That is unlikely ever to change for the Unication pager. It is one on the limitations as far as I can see. I only got started w G5 this weekend, I am impressed,despite limitations which are well documented. Yes this is true with most systems, as TG frequency resources are not unlimited. The control channel directs resources as required to the active sub. I select tower sites manually using switch position.

 

[mdsxfire]

All fire ops/regions are on the 500 part of the system and still in phase 1. I believe bridgewater pd and hillsborough PD are the only ones using 700. RR says police regions 1 and 6 also only use 700 but I still hear them on 500 on my g5


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[richee2000]

Somerset County PD region 1 as well as region 10 is operating on 700 also.

 

[mdsxfire]

Somerset County PD region 1 as well as region 10 is operating on 700 also.

Region 10=bridgewater
Is region 1 simulcasting or patched 500/700 together because I hear them on the 500 everyday?


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[richee2000]

I receive Region 1 , sometimes on 700, sometimes on 500... there is no rhyme or reason....

 

[mdsxfire]

I receive Region 1 , sometimes on 700, sometimes on 500... there is no rhyme or reason....

Maybe due to the fact of where region 1 is up in the mountains and valleys, depending on which signal is better the radios switch to the better system.


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[richee2000]

from what I understand: These PD's have 700 radios: Bernards, Bedminster, Hillsborough, Montgomery and Bridgewater...phase II

 

[richee2000]

it might be a capacity issue, also.... as to what system they switch to....

 

[mdsxfire]

it might be a capacity issue, also.... as to what system they switch to....

They are in the process of switching all over to 700 from what I heard, but are having a hard time getting additional 700 frequencies


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[mdsxfire]

On a side note while listening last night hillsborough police was coming through on the 500 system, I haven’t heard them on there in a while, if ever.


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[Murenovich]

They've just applied and i believe approved for 14 additional 700 frequencies, this is most likely a sign of what has been a plan for a long time is finally going into effect. They are going to start transitioning everyone over to the 700, PD will go first and then they will start with FD, EMS & OEM. The additional frequencies should allow them to build out the system to handle more traffic as well as give them the ability to add a site or two to fix any coverage issues with the 700, which definitely exist.

That being said it will probably be a decent amount of time before any of this starts to happen so we will have to just wait and see. Only time will tell.

 

[GTR8000]

They've just applied and i believe approved for 14 additional 700 frequencies, this is most likely a sign of what has been a plan for a long time is finally going into effect.

They applied for and received two new 700 MHz frequencies (773.18125 and 773.90625), not fourteen.

 

[Murenovich]

the applications has 14 "new" frequencies listed.

 

[richee2000]

Can you list the 14 new channels?

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