State/Statewide conventional channels

[Gilligan]

After reviewing the OCSO website and considering the kind of info I heard on the radio, I think 460.500 (OCSO Ch 13) may be used for the OCSO Warrant Squad.

 

[rfradioconsult]

Several of the 154.xxx, 155.xxx and 159.xxx shown were at one time used as links to talk to remote base stations. Tulsa used 155.310 (maybe still does)to talk to the N Tulsa relay and the Hitchita relay. Prior to the establishment of Troop C they also had a Muskogee relay. They orginally used a single tone burst around 1500 HZ to key up individual remote bases
Never relinquish a frequency unless forced to; take a look at all the 450/460 frequencies licensed to the City of Tulsa; they have been on ther 800 trunked for almost 20 years.

 

[woodyrr]

What I can't understand is this...if you're a big enough criminal to attract the attention of a federal agency, wouldn't it be prudent to do a little counter-intelligence by using a scanner? I mean, you're already gonna be charged with some serious felonies if you're caught. Are you really worried about being charged with using a scanner in the commission of a crime? Then again, if you're stupid enough to think you can break the law forever and not get caught, then maybe you're stupid enough to not use a scanner, or maybe use it correctly.

This is kind of a sticky subject, so I don't want to go into great detail. I think that it is important to look at the use of scanners by criminals from the perspective of a criminal rather than that of a "monitor". It is my opinion that the monitoring skills that I know that you possess were developed over a period of years listening to specific agencies and multiple radios simultaneously. You know what the agencies that you monitor are going to do before they do it from years of familiarity with the agency and the radio system that they use. The long term investment that you have made in developing your monitoring skills into an effective tool is not something that a criminal has any interest in doing.

Just my 2.

And with all the new technology and ITAC channels and such, I never hear anyone talking to anyone. During pursuits, it still all goes through their dispatchers, county to city to state... Sometimes I wonder about this new technology... and this from a person who's grown up with it, not from living in the old days of 100% conventional.

I think that you are right.

What really concerns me as this whole thing comes together, is that while one of the stated primary objectives, especially at the Federal level. is interoperability, mutual aid in central Oklahoma is worse now than it has been in a decade. At the RadioReference meeting, I jokingly quipped that I was getting sick and tired of "you scanner people griping about these 800 MHz radio systems. They are being implemented for interoperability: The fact that nobody can talk to anybody else is totally beside the point!"

I have concluded that the individuals that dreamed up this fiasco define interoperability as what needs to happen after a major disaster and my concept is that interoperability is the small interoperabilities that happen every day. Their version of interoperability is accomplished by having the LMAs, RMAs, SMAs, that everyone switches to long after a diasaster has happened and TCBs and Mobile Command Posts to link disparate systems. My version of interoperability is a function of one agency being able to monitor other agencies passively, to catch an incident threatening to affect the jurisdiction in real time, and then be able to switch to the lead agency’s channel and assist until the incident is concluded or until it no longer threatens. This form of mutual aid, which used to happen frequently, could have easily been implemented, yet simply does not appear to be supported within the 800 system. As an example, as far as I know, OHP cruisers don’t have MCPD 6A or MCFD 7A or even MWC Mutual Aid. Likewise I have no evidence that Midwest City units have OHP AM1. If Midwest City is working an accident on I40 and Air Depot (as if that never happens), they should all be able to get together on the radio so that they can all cordinate their activities rapidly, safely, and without waste of time and effort. Even with both agencies on the same 800 system, that doesn't happen.

There. Have I stirred the puddin' enough?

 

[dstew67]

...I have concluded that the individuals that dreamed up this fiasco define interoperability as what needs to happen after a major disaster and my concept is that interoperability is the small interoperabilities that happen every day. Their version of interoperability is accomplished by having the LMAs, RMAs, SMAs, that everyone switches to long after a diasaster has happened and TCBs and Mobile Command Posts to link disparate systems. My version of interoperability is a function of one agency being able to monitor other agencies passively, to catch an incident threatening to affect the jurisdiction in real time, and then be able to switch to the lead agency’s channel and assist until the incident is concluded or until it no longer threatens...

I started typing something, got about 2 paragraphs into the post, and decided to censor myself. I will say that there seems to be a disconnect sometimes between users and planners.

 

[PolarBear25]

This is kind of a sticky subject, so I don't want to go into great detail. I think that it is important to look at the use of scanners by criminals from the perspective of a criminal rather than that of a "monitor". It is my opinion that the monitoring skills that I know that you possess were developed over a period of years listening to specific agencies and multiple radios simultaneously. You know what the agencies that you monitor are going to do before they do it from years of familiarity with the agency and the radio system that they use. The long term investment that you have made in developing your monitoring skills into an effective tool is not something that a criminal has any interest in doing.

Just my 2.





I think that you are right.

What really concerns me as this whole thing comes together, is that while one of the stated primary objectives, especially at the Federal level. is interoperability, mutual aid in central Oklahoma is worse now than it has been in a decade. At the RadioReference meeting, I jokingly quipped that I was getting sick and tired of "you scanner people griping about these 800 MHz radio systems. They are being implemented for interoperability: The fact that nobody can talk to anybody else is totally beside the point!"

I have concluded that the individuals that dreamed up this fiasco define interoperability as what needs to happen after a major disaster and my concept is that interoperability is the small interoperabilities that happen every day. Their version of interoperability is accomplished by having the LMAs, RMAs, SMAs, that everyone switches to long after a diasaster has happened and TCBs and Mobile Command Posts to link disparate systems. My version of interoperability is a function of one agency being able to monitor other agencies passively, to catch an incident threatening to affect the jurisdiction in real time, and then be able to switch to the lead agency’s channel and assist until the incident is concluded or until it no longer threatens. This form of mutual aid, which used to happen frequently, could have easily been implemented, yet simply does not appear to be supported within the 800 system. As an example, as far as I know, OHP cruisers don’t have MCPD 6A or MCFD 7A or even MWC Mutual Aid. Likewise I have no evidence that Midwest City units have OHP AM1. If Midwest City is working an accident on I40 and Air Depot (as if that never happens), they should all be able to get together on the radio so that they can all cordinate their activities rapidly, safely, and without waste of time and effort. Even with both agencies on the same 800 system, that doesn't happen.

There. Have I stirred the puddin' enough?

Likewise I have no evidence that Midwest City units have OHP AM1. If Midwest City is working an accident on I40 and Air Depot (as if that never happens), they should all be able to get together on the radio so that they can all cordinate their activities rapidly, safely, and without waste of time and effort. Even with both agencies on the same 800 system, that doesn't happen.

I hate to be attacked but I do have friends with the MCPD and they have a 10/10 system
10 TG 10 Zones they have a OHP zone, a Co. Sheriff Zone, Local PD zone, local FD zone, and, the State EM zone..

Please No Attacks Car2Back A.K.A. Mr Phil Smith, or PeterjMag..

FS they tell me they love the new radios..

 

[plaws]

There. Have I stirred the puddin' enough?

Trouble maker. :lol:

Technology cannot solve political (people) problems. If agencies don't have a good way to work together before the system is implemented, they still won't after it's implemented.

FDNY and the NYPD couldn't communicate during the terrorist attack not because their radios were not interoperable but because the *departments* didn't interoperate. Google around for the NYPD ESU - the PD there has their own heavy rescues for goodness' sake!

Things are much friendlier here, clearly, but you see some of the same issues. Chiefs have to work it out amongst themselves before anything (official) really happens ...

 

[PolarBear25]

F.Y.I. Midwest City Alpha tags/Display

As far as I can see the Alpha tags on the state system http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=844 are right and true to the display the State M/As, the CenOK RMA, State EMs, OHP OKC TGs, etc. However, the display that are wrong are as follows
53744 6A MWC PD 1
55024 6B MWC PD 2
6J MWC M/A, which is also so 7J MWC M/A, and 8J MWC M/A
50672 7A MWC Fire 1
29232 7B MWC FD F/G 2
29264 7C MWC FD F/G 3
29296 7D MWC FD F/G 4
29328 7E MWC FD F/G 5
29360 7F MWC FD Train
29398 7G MWC FD ADM
29424 7H MWC FirMrshl
30352 8A MWC EMS 1
28976 8B MWC EMS 2

Sorry if fast2okc thinks that is wrong and he is right I have set in the car and I have see the display with my own two eyes, I hope this helps, also to rrwoody and all of you if any MCPD Officer go to another TG he always ID,s as Midwest City PD to lets say fire,
on Fire 1 same with Fire (Midwest City Fire to) and EMS (Midwest City EMS to)

I really hopes this helps, and I hope I didn't get in to any trouble for this post..

 

[Gilligan]

Actually I think the display field is for admins to set up for displaying in scanners, not the display as seen in the users' radios. In this way, scanner software will already have 12-digit alphanumeric text tags that can be programmed into the scanner.

 

[PolarBear25]

Ok and the I saw in the description area to the side is the display like this State Mutual Aid -- SMA 1A is the display on the radio Fast2okc is that correct??

 

[fast2okc]

--THREAD HIJACK ALERT--

Sorry if fast2okc thinks that is wrong and he is right I have set in the car and I have see the display with my own two eyes,

Actually I think the display field is for admins to set up for displaying in scanners, not the display as seen in the users' radios. In this way, scanner software will already have 12-digit alphanumeric text tags that can be programmed into the scanner.

Gilligan is correct here. The new version of the Radio Reference database will allow users to directly download from the database to their scanners. The "Alpha Tag" field will show in the display of the scanner. I have tried to choose Alpha Tags that will describe the user (in 12 characters or less) for both the local user and someone who might not be familiar with the area.

The users of this forum probably all know that SMA 1A is State Mutual Aid Channel 1A. However, a visitor from Tuscon might need a better description. It has ben my attempt to make this site usable for all possible users.

While making this change, I have attempted to continue to include the original "Radio Display", but I'm not certain I will continue. I'm not sure that anything other than the channel number serves any purpose. Except perhaps to prove that you have actually seen a radio.

It's like drawing the picture of the elephant in the dark. What you draw depends on what part you can touch at the time. For example, Midwest City Police radios have "6A MWC PD 1" in the display for their main dispatch talkgroup. An EMSA radio has that talkgroup in a Police Mutual Aid bank, labeled "4N MWC PD". An OHP Trooper's radio will have it labeled differently. My point is, the only relevant information is that Midwest City Police refer to the channel as 6A. The rest of the display is irrelevant.

You probably have notice that the DPS database has changed quite a bit. In addition to the new tags, there are GPS locations for each of the talkgroup groups and each of the transmitter sites in the system.

I have attempted to make the data as user friendly as possible. As always, any input, suggestions and money are welcome.

--fast2okc

 

[KK5FM]

As always, any input, suggestions and money are welcome.

--fast2okc

You forgot Mountain Dew
how could you forget MOUNTAIN DEW?!?!!?

 

[PolarBear25]

--THREAD HIJACK ALERT--





Gilligan is correct here. The new version of the Radio Reference database will allow users to directly download from the database to their scanners. The "Alpha Tag" field will show in the display of the scanner. I have tried to choose Alpha Tags that will describe the user (in 12 characters or less) for both the local user and someone who might not be familiar with the area.

The users of this forum probably all know that SMA 1A is State Mutual Aid Channel 1A. However, a visitor from Tuscon might need a better description. It has ben my attempt to make this site usable for all possible users.

While making this change, I have attempted to continue to include the original "Radio Display", but I'm not certain I will continue. I'm not sure that anything other than the channel number serves any purpose. Except perhaps to prove that you have actually seen a radio.

It's like drawing the picture of the elephant in the dark. What you draw depends on what part you can touch at the time. For example, Midwest City Police radios have "6A MWC PD 1" in the display for their main dispatch talkgroup. An EMSA radio has that talkgroup in a Police Mutual Aid bank, labeled "4N MWC PD". An OHP Trooper's radio will have it labeled differently. My point is, the only relevant information is that Midwest City Police refer to the channel as 6A. The rest of the display is irrelevant.

You probably have notice that the DPS database has changed quite a bit. In addition to the new tags, there are GPS locations for each of the talkgroup groups and each of the transmitter sites in the system.

I have attempted to make the data as user friendly as possible. As always, any input, suggestions and money are welcome.

--fast2okc

Well I do see you point fast2okc, one of my friends has a link to the state's DPS Trunked radio system in his favorites (so he can watch the system grow), and he told me that the alpha tags were wrong, but I do see your point fast2okc..

 

[Chaos703]

--THREAD HIJACK ALERT--
I have attempted to make the data as user friendly as possible. As always, any input, suggestions and money are welcome.

--fast2okc

I want to take this quick opportunity to profoundly thank you for all your hard work. The information in the database and camaraderie in the forum has expanded my silly hobby in ways I never could have imagined. It's made a real difference to me.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are GREATLY appreciated!!!!

I'm on my way to donate a little something extra.

 

[HogDriver]

Physical Plant is just a fancy name for Boiler Room, where the steam plant for heating and such is on your larger buildings.

 

[HogDriver]

--THREAD HIJACK ALERT--

I have attempted to make the data as user friendly as possible. As always, any input, suggestions and money are welcome.

--fast2okc

Fine job, Fast. I may understand what "6A" is but someone riding in my truck won't, so spelling it out makes it easier.

 

[PolarBear25]

I want to take this quick opportunity to profoundly thank you for all your hard work. The information in the database and camaraderie in the forum has expanded my silly hobby in ways I never could have imagined. It's made a real difference to me.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are GREATLY appreciated!!!!

I'm on my way to donate a little something extra.

Hate to say it but..

AGREED.. Thank you to all..

 

[foster_006]

You forgot Mountain Dew
how could you forget MOUNTAIN DEW?!?!!?

I'll be the cheetos of you buy the mountain dew!