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[freqhopping]

NASA-909 asking Leesburg FSS for weather in Huntsville and Houston. 255.4 I can actually hear the FSS clearly today. 909 is calling FSS maam. FSS is a guy. :lol: I think he is actually talking to a different FSS, but a guy local to me was responding too.
1615- Says he's over Pulaski and that's what FlightAware shows. Left ADW not too long ago.
1809- 1st FW is still flying around, using 285.15 for interflight. A KEVLAR-61 flights was what I heard earlier, waiting to hear from these guys.

 

[mdmonitor]

Heads Up at DOV

1851- Ascot 6583 (prob C-17A, 99th Sqdn)-w/DOV CP (134.1) w/inbound msg.

OOPS !!! number is 6853---tells CP he will upload two pallets then take off again for the UK.

At 1858 EDT also have Ascot 6845 on 8992.0 w/Hilda Metro asking for wx at CYYZ (Toronto) & CYOW (Ottawa)

 

[Mark]

1851- Ascot 6583 (prob C-17A, 99th Sqdn)-w/DOV CP (134.1) w/inbound msg. numbere is 6853---tells CP he will upload two pallets then take off again for the UK.

Just caught tail end of that conversation Ron.First time hearing ASCOT on the VHF CP freq.Was loud here so figured he must have been low and close.
SBS shows as ZZ172 C-17 callsign RRR-6853.
1900 local With Dover appch looking for the ILS 132.425

1930 HUSKY 50 flight of 2 into Dover area from KILG,HUSKY 50 #84-0207,HUSKY 57 #84-0212
2100 A couple of civilian REACH flights thru the area off Sea Isle Jersey
REACH 631 southbound Atlas Air 747 N506MC ,dropping down into Va Cape area.
REACH 824 BOEING 767 N120DL Delta Airlines Northbound.

Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

Logs, 5 Aug

ACY-Atlantic City NJ
ADW- Andrews AFB MD
BW- Bay Watch-NAS PAX Area Advisory Control
DOV- Dover AFB DE
GK- Giantkiller (FACSFAC, Virginia Capes)
MTN-Martin State Airport, Baltimore
NXX- Willow Grove JRB PA
PAX-NAS Patuxent River MD
WRI-McGuire AFB NJ
ZBW-Boston ARTCC
ZDC- Washington ARTCC
ZNY- New York ARTCC

1. VHF/UHF: ((Times are EDT))

0649- Reach 177T- calling Griffin CP (378.1)
0753- Dagger 41 flt (F-22s, Langley)-check into W386 (249.8)
0803- Trojan flt (2 X F-22s, Langley)-check into W386 (249.8) then QSY to 39 prime (312.3) for ACM training. A second Trojan flt active in W386 (249.8) in the late 1100 hour.
0825- Salty Dog 102 flt (F-18E, VX-23 PAX)-w/BW (270.8) then QSY to button 18 (320.45) w/Echo Control at the Atlantic Test Track. Salty Dog 102 & second acft using discrete (365.7) for intercept/tracking test.

0834- Tester 961 (T-6 Texan II # 165961, NTPS PAX)-w/BW (354.8) for entry into North Spin Area at FL100-220.
1046- Tester 02 (F-18B # 162885, NTPS PAX) & Tester 10 (T-38C NTPS PAX)-working as pair in ACM/intercept acty w/BW (256.5)
1139- Reach 5418-w/ZDC (127.7) the w/DOV approach (132.425) for landing.
1144- Bank 61 flt 2 X F-22s, Langley)-on sqdn discrete (296.9). Also w/GK (249.8) clearing out of W386 due to Bank 61 having electrical and power problems. They are RTB direct Langley.
1154- Mazda 21 flt (F-15s)-w/ZDC (257.7) requesting lower altitude after Snow Hill. Also check in w/ZDC (256.8) at FL240 requesting lower. Cleared to FL200.
1157- Belgian Air Force 619 (C-130H,tail CH-07, 20 Squadron)-check in w/ZDC (127.7). Landed at Andrews at 1232. Thanks Tin for acft ident.
1204- Fox 313 (UC-12 MCAS Beaufort SC)-check in w/ZDC (127.7). At 1405 w/MCAF Quantico Base Ops (355.3) w/inbound msg.
1211- Tester 77 (unid)-w/BW (270.8) declaring RTB PAX.
1407- Water Bug 353 (poss E-2C/D, VX-20 PAX)-working w/Echo Control (345.1) in airborne tracking system test.
1535- Kevlar flt (F-22s, Langley)- check into W386 (249.8).
1541- Raven 1 flt (2 X A-10Cs, 104th FS MD ANG MTN)-w/Raven SOF (347.2) w/acft status for landing.
1545- Kang flt (F-22s, Langley)-ACM training on discrete (262.025).
1553- Navy JR 151 (C-20G # 165151, VR-48, ADW)-and at ADW (118.4).
1600- Evergreen 1228 (B-747-200, USAF contract)-w/ZDC (127.7) then land at DOV (132.425).
1634- Navy JR 093 (C-20G # 165093, VR-1, ADW)-patterns at ADW (118.4)
1851- Ascot 6853 (prob C-17A, 99th Sqdn)-w/DOV CP (134.1) w/inbound msg. Tells CP they will upload two pallets then will take off for the UK.



2. HF: ((Times UTC, Freqs KHz))

08983.0 Camslant Chesapeake at 1803 USB w/CG 2114 (HU-25D CGAS Miami) who gives position as 2529N/8023W.
08992.0 Andrews at 1833 USB w/broadcast for Side Pocket---EAM preamble only (JFVXHQ). Also on 11175.0 USB.
13927.0 AFA1A (USAF MARS) at 2017 USB w/Shark 75 (C-130H USAF/95AS --USSOUTHCOM) in pp w/Kitty Ops. Sharks 75 reports departing Tocumen, Panama as fragged and ETA Gulfport MS is 2135Z.
11175.0 Andrews at 2230 USB w/ 36-character EAM (4DHQUW). Also on 08992.0 USB. This EAM rebroadcast at 2332 & 0002 (6 Aug).
08992.0 Andrews at 2241 USB w/32-character EAM (4DKCUS). Also on 11175.0 USB. This EAM rebroadcast at 2330 & 2359.
08992.0 Andrews at 2317 USB w/28-character EAM (SKRE5M). Also on 11175.0 USB.
08992.0 Andrews at 2355 USB w/Ascot 6845 (C-17A, 99th Sqdn) in pp w/Hilda Metro requesting wx for Toronto & Ottawa.

Ron (mdmonitor1@verizon.net)
Baltimore MD (390747N 763711W)
VHF/UHF: BC-895XLT/RS Pro-2045
Diamond D-130J discone
HF: Icom R75 & Sangean ATS 909
45-ft EF-SWL & 70-ft random wire

 

[TinEar]

1851- Ascot 6583 (prob C-17A, 99th Sqdn)-w/DOV CP (134.1) w/inbound msg.

OOPS !!! number is 6853---tells CP he will upload two pallets then take off again for the UK.

At 1858 EDT also have Ascot 6845 on 8992.0 w/Hilda Metro asking for wx at CYYZ (Toronto) & CYOW (Ottawa)

Mark confirmed the ID on your ASCOT 6853.
ASCOT 6845 is another C-17A with tail ZZ176. He's out at Nellis. Another RAF C-17A was flying around the same time using ASCOT 6730 and that one is tail ZZ173 - also at Nellis. I guess they're loading up the supporting personnel and "stuff" from the Red Flag F-15 participants. Those F-15 from Lakenheath might have been the ones noted landing at Selfridge today as HURON 31 and HURON 41 fllights. And you caught the MAZDA flight arriving with more F-15s from Lakenheath. There should have been three flights of them arriving today but I believe you were the only monitor in the country (so far - plus Mark's recording) that caught at least part of the flight arriving today.

 

[Mark]

2220 local ASCOT 6853 off Dover heard with Dover 132.425
2222 ASCOT with ZDC 127.700 Sea Isle
Wondering when he was gonna finally depart.
2225 RIDER 85 on ZDC 127.700 says doing SAR training near LakeHurst and Delaware Bay,will be dropping down to below
1k soon.Never knew C-17's did SAR training.
2230 REACH 879 C-17 #96-0004 showing at 33k thru the area.
2240 ASCOT 6583 trying McGuire metro 239.800,RAF just loves wx metros.

Mark

 

[andy3315]

Comisc F-16 Around 130 local with center late flight i guess returing to Kacy.

 

[Mark]

0400 DC Scramble Exercise continues with LOBO 41 flt of 2 on Huntress 228.900/Guard Dog 135.525 and he did
warning to unid aircraft South of DC on Emerg 121.500
0439 LOBO 41/42 back in Guard Dog Airspace.

Mark

 

[CitationJet]

Re: N120DL

Hi Mark,

For your records, N120DL is now operated by Ryan International.

Best regards,

Tony

2100 A couple of civilian REACH flights thru the area off Sea Isle Jersey
REACH 824 BOEING 767 N120DL Delta Airlines Northbound.
Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

Mark confirmed the ID on your ASCOT 6853.
ASCOT 6845 is another C-17A with tail ZZ176. He's out at Nellis. Another RAF C-17A was flying around the same time using ASCOT 6730 and that one is tail ZZ173 - also at Nellis. I guess they're loading up the supporting personnel and "stuff" from the Red Flag F-15 participants. Those F-15 from Lakenheath might have been the ones noted landing at Selfridge today as HURON 31 and HURON 41 fllights. And you caught the MAZDA flight arriving with more F-15s from Lakenheath. There should have been three flights of them arriving today but I believe you were the only monitor in the country (so far - plus Mark's recording) that caught at least part of the flight arriving today.

Tin,

As soon as I heard the Mazda flt I turned on my other scanner that has the Coronet freqs in it but heard nothing. I guess the tankers, etc had already turned for home by then.

 

[CitationJet]

08.05.2008 pm/08.06.2008 am

Catching up with some recent logs...

PT = Potomac TRACON
ZDC = Washington Center ARTCC

08.05.2008 pm

1900Z 119.300 PT APP - REACH 0360 (KC-135R 60-0360 97th AMW) - on the app. to rwy 19R @ Andrews.
1901Z 128.350 PT APP - ARMY 1944 (C-37A 97-1944 OSACOM/PATD) - @ 4000' for rwy 19R @ Andrews.
1902Z 128.350 PT APP - EVAC 3118 (C-17A 03-3118 183rd AS MS ANG) - 6500'-4000' req. ILS rwy 19R @ Andrews.
1905Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - REACH 0360 (KC-135R 60-0360 97th AMW) - 8 nms. LOC rwy 19R.
1906Z 118.950 PT DEP - ARMY 01052 (UC-35C 00-1052 PATD Andrews) - deps Andrews 1000'-3000'.
1908Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - ARMY 1944 (C-37A 97-1944 OSACOM/PATD) - PUFFE inbound for rwy 19R.
1915Z 125.650 PT DEP - REACH 7027 (C-5B 87-0027 436th AMW) - deps Andrews.
1916Z 319.400 McGuire AFB CP - HOIST 91 (KC-10A 305th AMW) - 30 mins. out A1.
1917Z 118.675 PT A/D - ARMY 01052 (UC-35C 00-1052 PATD Andrews) - QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550.
1920Z 141.550 GRIFFIN CP Andrews AFB - JOSA 423 (C-21A JOSAC) - 15 mins. out 3 pax R4 on board.
1923Z 118.675 PT A/D - JOSA 423 (C-21A JOSAC) - 15000" req. vis. rwy 19R @ Andrews to 13000' dir ELDEE QSY PT APP 119.850.
1930Z 119.300 PT APP - NAVY JR 151 (C-20G 165151 VR-48) - for rwy 19L @ Andrews then tower pattern.
1936Z 119.300 PT APP - JOSA 423 (C-21A JOSAC) - 7000'-3000' dir Andrews to 2000'.
1940Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - JOSA 423 (C-21A JOSAC) - 6.5 nms. out for rwy 19R.

2053Z 125.650 PT DEP - PAT 44 (VH-60 12th Avn. Btn. Davison AAF) - req. vects. to DAVEY for rwy 32 @ Davison AAF.
2055Z 119.300 PT APP - DC 21 (KC-135R 459th ARW AFRC) - for rwy 19R @ Andrews.

2103Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - DC 21 (KC-135R 459th ARW AFRC) - lands rwy 19R.
2102Z 118.950 PT DEP - REACH 3118 (C-17A 03-3118 183rd AS MS ANG) - unable QSY w/PT DEP on this freq., switches to 257.200 and makes contact there.

08.06.2008 am

1031Z 118.675 PT A/D - SAM 3075 - 16000'-15000' X DRUZZ @ 15000' QSY PT APP 119.850.

 

[TinEar]

Comisc F-16 Around 130 local with center late flight i guess returing to Kacy.

I think that's COSMIC. They use that callsign only for scrambles and CAP duty. They took part in the Falcon Virgo exercise that has been ongoing for the past couple of nights. As Mark noted, the LOBO F-16s from the VT-ANG Langley Detachment also participated. They keep using the same two Civil Air Patrol Cessna 182s as targets each time they run this exercise. I guess there must be something special about those two. One is D.C. and one from the Virginia CAP.

2100 A couple of civilian REACH flights thru the area off Sea Isle Jersey
REACH 631 southbound Atlas Air 747 N506MC ,dropping down into Va Cape area.
REACH 824 BOEING 767 N120DL Delta Airlines Northbound.

Yeah, it was busy with those guys last night. I had those two with RCH 631 arriving from Europe and RCH 824 heading out over the Atlantic and showing up later in the Netherlands. It's funny that none of the UK guys logged that one but they all got it in the NL. He must have taken a strange route to get there. I also had RCH 507 (Omni MD-11 N630AL) on his way to Europe as was RCH 208 (Southern Air, B742, N783SA.) Both showed up in Germany this morning.

It seems to me that in the long run we'd be much better off buying a bunch more C-17s than to continue to lease cargo space from these commercial operators. We had those four through this area in the space of a couple of hours last night but, worldwide, there was a long list of contracted REACH flights as there are every day. It's difficult to understand how many there really are since, to most monitors, there's no way to tell a commercial REACH flight from a military aircraft using that callsign. There's also no way to independently verify how much the government spends for those flights. You can bet it's a bunch.

 

[mdmonitor]

IYeah, it was busy with those guys last night. I had those two with RCH 631 arriving from Europe and RCH 824 heading out over the Atlantic and showing up later in the Netherlands. It's funny that none of the UK guys logged that one but they all got it in the NL. He must have taken a strange route to get there. I also had RCH 507 (Omni MD-11 N630AL) on his way to Europe as was RCH 208 (Southern Air, B742, N783SA.) Both showed up in Germany this morning.

It seems to me that in the long run we'd be much better off buying a bunch more C-17s than to continue to lease cargo space from these commercial operators. We had those four through this area in the space of a couple of hours last night but, worldwide, there was a long list of contracted REACH flights as there are every day. It's difficult to understand how many there really are since, to most monitors, there's no way to tell a commercial REACH flight from a military aircraft using that callsign. There's also no way to independently verify how much the government spends for those flights. You can bet it's a bunch.

Tin,

I agrre with you that it must cost a bunch. But on the upside Uncle Sam is not paying for acft upkeep & maintenance, pilots & their training, etc.

Long ago I stopped trying to do projects around the house. Now I just write checks to contractors and let them do the work. It usually gets done correctly, much faster, neater. And I don't spend anything on tools, equipment & materials which usually sat around after the particular project was done. I think Uncle Sam is thinking the same way

 

[TinEar]

Tin,

I agrre with you that it must cost a bunch. But on the upside Uncle Sam is not paying for acft upkeep & maintenance, pilots & their training, etc.

Long ago I stopped trying to do projects around the house. Now I just write checks to contractors and let them do the work. It usually gets done correctly, much faster, neater. And I don't spend anything on tools, equipment & materials which usually sat around after the particular project was done. I think Uncle Sam is thinking the same way

Ahhh, your analogy is apt but perhaps faulty. If this was a one-time shot to haul a bunch of stuff - say like home from Iraq when it's over and done with - I agree, just as with the tools you bought for a one-time project became useless when the project was done. However, this is ongoing and ongoing - and has been for years. If you're going to put a new roof on every home in your city, you'd probably be better off buying the tools to do it rather than leasing them. Yes, you can lease a hammer for a dollar a day but after a year you've kind of overpaid for that hammer. We can't do the price comparison here though since we don't know what is paid for a contracted REACH flight from Point A to Point B.

 

[mdmonitor]

Ahhh, your analogy is apt but perhaps faulty. If this was a one-time shot to haul a bunch of stuff - say like home from Iraq when it's over and done with - I agree, just as with the tools you bought for a one-time project became useless when the project was done. However, this is ongoing and ongoing - and has been for years. If you're going to put a new roof on every home in your city, you'd probably be better off buying the tools to do it rather than leasing them. Yes, you can lease a hammer for a dollar a day but after a year you've kind of overpaid for that hammer. We can't do the price comparison here though since we don't know what is paid for a contracted REACH flight from Point A to Point B.

Tin,

You're right. But I'm sure some number-crunching weenie at the Pentagon has convinced folks that it's cheaper than building new airplanes, training additional pilots & paying them while they work and giving them a retirement, not to mention training & paying maintenance folks and buying parts stockpiles.

Like when I worked at the No Such Agency. When I left more than 50% of the operational tasks were in the hands of contractors, not to mention that large percentages of our other support tasks were done by contractors. If companies go under or folks decide to go on strike, etc and we're SOL.

 

[BM82557]

Departure from Martinsburg

ANVIL 06 off at 1330 local, told to switch to departure by the tower - 124.3

 

[mdmonitor]

Heads Up New England

Ed,
John,

A couple for you:

1245- Sentry 60 (E-3B AWACS, Tinker AFB OK)-calling any radio on FSS (255.4). Finally contacts McGuire Metro (239.8) and requests 1800Z wx at Rome NY.

1330- Party 11 & 12 (F-18C VFA-87, CVW-8 NAS OCEANA)-check in w/Leesburg (255.4) opening flt plan from NAS Oceana to Hanscom Field,MA.

 

[TinEar]

Tin,

You're right. But I'm sure some number-crunching weenie at the Pentagon has convinced folks that it's cheaper than building new airplanes, training additional pilots & paying them while they work and giving them a retirement, not to mention training & paying maintenance folks and buying parts stockpiles.

Like when I worked at the No Such Agency. When I left more than 50% of the operational tasks were in the hands of contractors, not to mention that large percentages of our other support tasks were done by contractors. If companies go under or folks decide to go on strike, etc and we're SOL.

At No Such I don't believe a company would ever be allowed to "go under." There are always more dollars where the last came from to keep them running - with perhaps a change of ownership on the paper trail the only sign that something happened. Strikes? When I was there, it was almost all in-house workers and we worked for very low wages in very strange spots on the globe in very harsh conditions - at least some of the time. But, oh the fun we had. I don't think I ever considered the pay or conditions to be a hinderance. Being young, resilient, and adventurous certainly had its advantages.
**************************

1530: One of the RAF C-17s, our old friend ZZ176 (ASCOT 6845), appears to be headed home. He's just passing over Montreal so is apparently taking that (way) northern route.

About an hour earlier there were a couple of Indian Air Force aircraft landing at Nellis. Don't know who they are yet but news reports tell us who is expected...

NEW YORK: The Indian Air Force (IAF) is relying on the agility of its Russian-made Sukhoi-30 strike fighter jets to win dogfights at the upcoming Red Flag aerial war games to be held at the Nellis Air Force Base in the United States from August 9 to 23.
“The Indian Air Force has a contingent of eight SU-30MKI fighters, two IL-78 mid-air re-fuelling aircraft and one IL-76 transport aircraft taking part in the exercise,” an air force official told DNA.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1178818
I'd love to see those SU-30s in action. Beautiful looking fighter. It'll also be interesting to see how they do against our pilots. Couple of mistakes in the story like calling our F-15/F-16s "bombers."

 

[Mark]

1330- Party 11 & 12 (F-18C VFA-87, CVW-8 NAS OCEANA)-check in w/Leesburg (255.4) opening flt plan from NAS Oceana to Hanscom Field,MA.

1538 Ron just heard PARTY 11 flight on 281.450 ZDC Sea Isle say they are splitting flight
now.
PARTY 11 will land at Hartford and PARTY 12 at Bangor.

Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

About an hour earlier there were a couple of Indian Air Force aircraft landing at Nellis. Don't know who they are yet but news reports tell us who is expected...

NEW YORK: The Indian Air Force (IAF) is relying on the agility of its Russian-made Sukhoi-30 strike fighter jets to win dogfights at the upcoming Red Flag aerial war games to be held at the Nellis Air Force Base in the United States from August 9 to 23.
“The Indian Air Force has a contingent of eight SU-30MKI fighters, two IL-78 mid-air re-fuelling aircraft and one IL-76 transport aircraft taking part in the exercise,” an air force official told DNA.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1178818
I'd love to see those SU-30s in action. Beautiful looking fighter. It'll also be interesting to see how they do against our pilots.

I too would love to see them in action. We have a time share in Vegas and I keep telling myself that once I'll sked so we are there during a Red Flag. We're about five miles north of Nellis so when we go I usually take my trusty handheld--which works fine.

Last time we were there about 2 yrs ago got to play golf at Nellis and the course runs along the runways so had a great local "airshow" while we enjoyed the golf.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the Indian guys will come through our area on their way home. Unless they leave towards the West.