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[BM82557]

Activity 03/11/2009

0928 local - Goliath Alpha (AWACS) calling Huntress for a radio check -261.0
0930 - Goliath Alpha to Huntress (unheard) reporting they're "gainer sour" and just entering the coverage area - 254.2
0937 - Devil 11 flight with Goliath - 261.0

 

[ka3jjz]

Both Navy Ops/PTD freqs at Andrews are being deleted....139.3 and 362.9 are gone. There were no replacement freqs given in the item. It sounds like they're just doing away with them....unless they add new freqs at some point in the future. (They've been known to post only half a freq change in the past although this one sounds final.)

2026: TROOPER 2 calls Andrews Tower on 118.4...gets no reply, apparently remembers the new freq and calls on 125.35.

Tin please be sure to get these submitted to the database. thanks 73 Mike

 

[Mark]

0928 local - Goliath Alpha (AWACS) calling Huntress for a radio check -261.0
0930 - Goliath Alpha to Huntress (unheard) reporting they're "gainer sour" and just entering the coverage area - 254.2
0937 - Devil 11 flight with Goliath - 261.0

Rgr BM GOLIATH said they were TIMBER Sour with DEVIL 11.
Something about not getting into the Pod today.
Guess that means he wasn't picking up their particular geometry mil mode.
GOLIATH E-3C also showing callsign SENTRY 06 #81-0004

1025 DERBY 05 C-130 #91-1232 KY ANG inbound McGuire eta 1445z on CP 319.400 to drop some pax.
showing as (DERBY 84) on box.

Mark

 

[Mateo]

A couple of years ago Andrews used 125.35 as a "secondary" tower freq for a couple of days and then used it for the Air Boss for the show. Right after the show, they went back to 118.4. I've had 125.35 in my rotation ever since then and have heard it exactly once over that period.

On October 20, 2006 (way back in Sticky II), I noted a TALON 76 being handed to 125.35 for a PAR approach to Andrews. I'm sure it's a spare freq for Tower-type comms that's brought out when required (Air boss for a show, tech problems on 118.4, PAR approaches, etc..). I also once had a helicopter departing SE-bound off the Pentagon who was assigned 125.35 as a departure frequency as he climbed to 5000 through the vicinity of the Andrews airspace.

 

[carbineone]

1444 Flyer 1 A-10 with Phil. approach 291.7
1444 Convoy 3970 With Phil App 123.8 for approach into Willow Grove
1446 Flyer1 with Willow Grove for PAR 299.6
1450 Convoy 3970 With Willow Grove for PAR 128.675
1506 Raven 1 with Warren Grove range 283.1
1512 Bicep 11 with ACY approach

 

[CitationJet]

Re: SCORE-2

Hop,

Not SCORE-2, Da900 N950SF uses callsign SEQUOIA/SQU 2.

Best regards,

Tony

Just had a non-military flight using the callsign SCORE. SCORE-2 N950SF Bechtel Corp just departed IAD heading towards Baltimore.

 

[SCPD]

I caught a mil flight today on 396.20000 identifying itself as STUDEBAKER 5, they were calling HUSKER 5, which is the NE ANG refueling mission. Anyone know who STUDEBAKER is?

Opps: Wrong forum, Mods, could you move to mil-air forum, that's where I thought I was with all the mil discussion here.

 

[mdmonitor]

ZDC Info

Guys,

I know some of you guys keep track of this stuff so thought I would share with you what one of the guys on the SCAN-DC list sent me:

I also confirmed today that the pair 126.875 and 327.0 and the pair 133.975 and 307.025 are located at the old FAA transmitter site behind Haycock Elementary School in McLean, VA.

Steve

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Steve Thompson wrote:

> Ron-

One thing I did confirm up in the mountains this weekend was that the Linden sector VHF and UHF are highly likely to be colocated with the Linden VORTAC. My sister-in-law has a place about a mile from the VORTAC and both freqs were booming in there. Didn't have time to drive up to the VORTAC on the Blue Ridge Parkway to confirm it, but I think it is highly likely.

Steve, N4TX

Guys,

Also go this off the Milcom blog:
the change below is effective May 7, 2009.

281.425 Washington ARTCC (ZDC) New Bern NC RCAG Low Altitude Sector 25, ex-272.750

 

[Airfire]

Either that or the Air Force is simply claiming dominance and saying, "This is an Air Force Base and if you come here you'll use Air Force freqs." You understand the interservice rivalries. On the other hand, someone might have just finally figured out it was redundant to have two sets of Ops freqs at Andrews and has determined one set of controllers is enough for this function.

Tin;

It's the initial operational shifting of mission support activities from Naval Air Facility Washington to the Air Force's 316th Wing. The complete transfer of activities should be completed by October. It's part of the initiative to form joint basing driven by the 2005 BRAC.

Jim

 

[freqhopping]

Anybody hear Navy 161511 or IDAHO-11 inbound?

I've had both AE06C1 and AE06D1 on the box displaying identical altitudes or at least very close. I never heard either with ATC. Only heard PAT-2404 85-1267 which would've been into Davison just prior to them.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 125.350

Advanced Search, enter "125.350" as Key Word, CitationJet as User Name; choose Maryland Radio Discussion Forum under "Search In Forum(s).

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On October 20, 2006 (way back in Sticky II), I noted a TALON 76 being handed to 125.35 for a PAR approach to Andrews. I'm sure it's a spare freq for Tower-type comms that's brought out when required (Air boss for a show, tech problems on 118.4, PAR approaches, etc..). I also once had a helicopter departing SE-bound off the Pentagon who was assigned 125.35 as a departure frequency as he climbed to 5000 through the vicinity of the Andrews airspace.

 

[Mateo]

Advanced Search, enter "125.350" as Key Word, CitationJet as User Name; choose Maryland Radio Discussion Forum under "Search In Forum(s).

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Ha! I searched on 125.35. I should have known you'd be so precise as to add the trailing 0 !

 

[JohnFB]

0928 local - Goliath Alpha (AWACS) calling Huntress for a radio check -261.0
0930 - Goliath Alpha to Huntress (unheard) reporting they're "gainer sour" and just entering the coverage area - 254.2
0937 - Devil 11 flight with Goliath - 261.0

.... and also for Mark

I don't know if these guys were in W105 or W107 ... I'm amazed I heard as much as I did .... must have been the rain that helped:

1357Z : COBRA 11 x3 [F-16 NY] wkg ZBW on 282.300 - frq chnge
1357Z : COBRA wkg ZBW on 288.700 - chk in
1358Z : COBRA interplane on 138.625

1401Z : TEAM 33 & 34 [KC-10 KWRI] interplane 139.875 - did DEVIL 21 cancel? ... I heard you talking to GOLIATH, you were very weak ... [GOLIATH] is calling you, are you not hearing him? ..... you're getting BANGER 21, COBRA 13 and DEVIL 13

1407Z : DEVIL 11 x3 [F-16 NJ] interplane 138.425

1409Z : TEAM calls MARSA on 139.875
1409Z : TEAM wkg unknown on 288.000 for AR

1420Z : BANGER 21 x2 [F-16 NJ] interplane on 138.875

1426Z : [DEVIL] wkg GOLIATH on 225.800 [1st time I've had act on frq which is nice]
1426Z : BANGER wkg GOLIATH on 288.200 [only 2nd time since I programmed it 3 years ago]

1430Z : TEAM discusses whether WX will send ftrs home on 139.875

1435Z : TEAM 33 wkg GOLIATH on 324.650 - weak/garbled
1440Z : TEAM chks out with GK on 338.100

TEAM 33 & 34 headed north to Syracuse radials to hold for AR609. They conducted enroute AR on the way.

1445Z : [COBRA] wkg GOLIATH on 139.950

GOLIATH was nil heard my location ..... ftr comms were general targets, bullseye refs, BRAs, some FOX releases and picture requests ... signal strength varied wildly.

1530Z : COBRA wkg ZBW on 317.700 => 290.350 => 256.900
1535Z : COBRA interplane on 138.625 - very long debrief/critique of training
1542Z : COBRA 3 clg SOF on 139.625 - 'too far out, I think'
1543Z : COBRA rqst non-standard formation 4mi front-to-back on 256.900

 

[TinEar]

Tin;

It's the initial operational shifting of mission support activities from Naval Air Facility Washington to the Air Force's 316th Wing. The complete transfer of activities should be completed by October. It's part of the initiative to form joint basing driven by the 2005 BRAC.

Jim

Thanks Jim. Makes sense and that's almost scary.

Speaking of Andrews and the alternate Tower freq 125.35, I think most airports must have secondary or backup freq plans. For instance, BWI has a backup Tower freq 123.75 (primary 119.4). Does anyone here have any others for area airports?

Note to box guys: AE1393 is TESTER 11 (T-38C, 68-8158) and AE1390 is TESTER 08 (no tail). Anyone have a tail for 08?

 

[Mark]

1010 AF-1 82-8000 showing level 6500 feet.. Odd altitude.
1015 AF-1 drops down to 3.5 k and gone here.
1235 AF-1 back up again at 7k dropping down again..Must have been a short Hop.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

1010 AF-1 82-8000 showing level 6500 feet.. Odd altitude.
1015 AF-1 drops down to 3.5 k and gone here.
1235 AF-1 back up again at 7k dropping down again..Must have been a short Hop.

Mark

Mark, it was VENUS 1. He's returning to ADW last half of 1200 hour. I did notice Mrs. 44 going out apparently on EXEC 1F around 1005 but don't know if that one was real or also a checkride. It was C-40B, 01-0041 displaying the EXEC 1F callsign. That one looked like a normal departure on Mode-S.
[BMT just informed me she went to Ft. Bragg today so it was for real.]

Andrews has gone back to using 118.4 for Tower.

1255: Canadian Air Force...CANFORCE 3936, CC-130, 130332 in the area at FL 260. (Lost Mode-S at 1321)
1302: Saudi Air Force B-737, HZ101 approaching the area. Picked him up with full ADS-B northwest of Willow Grove. On a 230 degree heading at FL 300 currently. Notice that he's climbing so probably not for landing in this area. By 1310, he's up to FL 340 and still climbing. Leveled at FL 360 and by 1312 he's into Maryland...current course will take him just west of Gaithersburg....slight course correction taking him right over GAI at 1321....at 1324 he's directly overhead IAD at FL 360. (Lost from Mode-S at 1328)

1326: BULLY, flight of four F-16s, DC-ANG Andrews call RANGER at Warren Grove Range on 283.1 for work. They've worked their way through ZDC-Kenton 354.15 and ZDC-Casino 285.4 before switching to the range. Thier interflight freq is 139.15.
1326: SPAR 29 (C-37A, 01-0029, 310th AS MacDill) departs Andrews...nice ADS-B trail as he leaves to the west and then turns southwest during his climbout. (Broadcasting position but not speed/course on ADS-B...don't need the course displayed since I can see his radar positions and turn on the trail markers from his initial position since departing on runway 1.)
Anyone intending to invest money in this hobby should really consider a Mode-S receiver - especially in this busy area.

Nice link found today: http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwaffe
And the link toward the bottom of that home page for the organization: "Die Organisation der Luftwaffe"

 

[mdmonitor]

Heads UP- POTUS Travel

Guys,

Got the following off the Low Level-Euro list:



Hi all,

US President Barack Obama is set to land at Stansted on a visit to the UK, it has been reported.

The President is apparently set to meet the Queen ahead of the G20 summit for world leaders on April 2nd at the ExCel Centre in London.

It has been reported that he and first lady Michelle will arrive at Stansted in AIR FORCE ONE on March 31st before taking a helicopter flight to London and a meeting with the Queen the following day. (Source; East Anglian Daily Times).

Support aircraft are also expected to arrive at RAF Mildenhall during this period.

 

[TinEar]

Guys,

Got the following off the Low Level-Euro list:



Hi all,

US President Barack Obama is set to land at Stansted on a visit to the UK, it has been reported.

The President is apparently set to meet the Queen ahead of the G20 summit for world leaders on April 2nd at the ExCel Centre in London.

It has been reported that he and first lady Michelle will arrive at Stansted in AIR FORCE ONE on March 31st before taking a helicopter flight to London and a meeting with the Queen the following day. (Source; East Anglian Daily Times).

Support aircraft are also expected to arrive at RAF Mildenhall during this period.

Yeah, Ron, I saw those goofballs on some of the UK threads asking which aircraft will be in support - like someone should know the types and tail numbers of all the REACH 'T' missions and perhaps the armed protective escorts. Coming right up! Guess there's no harm in asking though.

Do you think Nasty Nancy will ask for the backup VC-25 so she can tag along? I am so damn glad she has finally been caught at playing Queen-For-A-Day. It started on day one of her reign as Speaker of the (out)House. I tried to tell some people back when that she was doing that and wasn't believed. But my source was impeccable.

 

[mdmonitor]

Thanks Jim. Makes sense and that's almost scary.

Speaking of Andrews and the alternate Tower freq 125.35, I think most airports must have secondary or backup freq plans. For instance, BWI has a backup Tower freq 123.75 (primary 119.4). Does anyone here have any others for area airports?

Note to box guys: AE1393 is TESTER 11 (T-38C, 68-8158) and AE1390 is TESTER 08 (no tail). Anyone have a tail for 08?

Tin,

Sorry, Tester 08 & Tester 18 are the two T-38Cs from the NTPS that I don't hve tail numbers for. I think I posted the tail numbers that I have for the other Testers some time ago but if someone ould like them again I'd be glad to re-post them.

 

[skthomp]

I'd be interested in knowing more about Mode S receivers. I get references on the sticky to "the box" but no comments as to what "the box" is.

Steve, N4TX