Ubbe
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In Tetra, and most other radio systems, its too easy to clone a radios serial number and use its user ID and get transmit access. Using encryption you'll need the key to even be let into the system.
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The first PSN simulcast site’s are up and operating in Sydney Australia and what does it mean for me with a 536HP.
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Surely they could either set the radios to be able to toggle the encryption on and off or have a designated channel for incidents that might need it. Either way, the public should be able to listen to every day comms.
The encryption still shouldn't be a pething. Most places aren't like that every day.rmanentYour spot on there.
1 of the reasons they expedited police encryption over a decade ago in NSW is because Middle Eastern thugs-drug dealers were transmitting on the police analog frequencies mainly on the Bankstown area frequency and calling out certain police officers and causing havoc. Not long after this Lakemba police station was riddled in bullets. I witnessed the transmissions back. Most of the Middle Eastern perpetrators are now doing life in jail or deceased. Google Danny Karam boys or DK Boys.
Look at this page it has information on the police station shootings and more.
Michael Kanaan - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I can understand Ambulance going encrypted because in certain areas Ambulance officers are being attacked and need police assistance when attending certain jobs were 2 gangs have had a brawl.
And as you mentioned the advancement of first responders radio hardware from analog simplex, analog semi duplex or repeaters, voting, P25, P25 encryption, P25II TRS, P25II TRS encryption and now P25II TRS encryption simulcast.
Robbie1984
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Here in South Australia when the SAGRN was introduced a big stink was made by farmers, Adelaide hills residents, country towns, schools, councils and education department around CFS, SES ,MFS , Forestry and National Parks going fully encrypted fortunately total encryption never went ahead due to several reasons
1. A big part of South Australia is particularly vulnerable to major bushfires with several communities having been impacted by past major fires
2. A huge percentage of CFS and SES volunteers have scanners as their main source of gathering information before the pager goes off
3. Farmers, Private operators and logging companies rely on scanner traffic to know what is happening so they can attend to help with fires
4. A few schools rely on radio traffic updates via scanner stream or base setup to determine if its safe to let buses run or to keep children at school until its safe but also make justifiable calls to close the school on a catastrophic fire danger day
SA Ambulance was fully monitorable until 2014 they went to full encryption like SA Police mainly due to the nature of incidents both attend only time you can hear either agency is when their radios are on a multi agency talk-group talking to CFS or SES
1. A big part of South Australia is particularly vulnerable to major bushfires with several communities having been impacted by past major fires
2. A huge percentage of CFS and SES volunteers have scanners as their main source of gathering information before the pager goes off
3. Farmers, Private operators and logging companies rely on scanner traffic to know what is happening so they can attend to help with fires
4. A few schools rely on radio traffic updates via scanner stream or base setup to determine if its safe to let buses run or to keep children at school until its safe but also make justifiable calls to close the school on a catastrophic fire danger day
SA Ambulance was fully monitorable until 2014 they went to full encryption like SA Police mainly due to the nature of incidents both attend only time you can hear either agency is when their radios are on a multi agency talk-group talking to CFS or SES
Do you think we could try and put up a similar fight here to try and stop some of the services going fully encrypted?
Robbie1984
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If you can get a reasonable sized gathering of people and a comprehensive submission outlining negatives and potential repercussions of the PSN going fully encrypted throw in a petition that is signed by all facets of the community from RFS/SES volunteers, farmers who have farm fire units, schools and local businesses then it should give some sort of push back making NSW state govt or whoever is in charge of the NSW PSN rethink their approach
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When it comes to the submission make sure to include the following
*Past significant disasters (black summer 2019/2020)
* How being able to monitor RFS,NSW Fire and Rescue, SES helped with early planning or coordination of say evacuations or logistics associated with setting up staging areas/camping for evacuees
* Potential repercussions of a fully encrypted network
* Possible solutions to allow community group, businesses and individuals to monitor their selected services
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When i did my comprehensive submission into the 2019/2020 South Australia bushfire season one of my recommendations being installation of UHF CB radios in all MFS and CFS vehicles was noted the committee sighted that it would be more cost effective to retrofit MFS appliances with CFS VHF fire ground radios of which has happened although the initial recommendation has since manifested as a large number of CFS appliances now have either GME or Uniden UHF radios installed
Thanks for that. I don't know too many people that I could get together plus I'm not very good at writing out long submissions like that but I can try and give it a go.
BinaryMode
Blondie Once Said To Call Her But Never Answerd
The pager type radios by Unication are reportedly suppose to work great for simulcast.
And you guys aren't alone in the wonderful world of encryption... When you go digital it's very easy to use that option. Thus governments WILL do so.
And you guys aren't alone in the wonderful world of encryption... When you go digital it's very easy to use that option. Thus governments WILL do so.
I had a Unification G3 for sometime, they are quite hard to program and the software is quite complicated to say the least.
Radio systems are going encrypted however pager systems that support emergency services remain in the clear which probably
have more details then you hear on the radio to be honest.
Just in regards to the comments regarding Pager Messages. Whilst somewhat true , certainly for rural based assets at present, a substantial amount of pager traffic for Ambulance Victoria Metropolitan located assets have moved to a different platform, which pager monitors can not intercept. This change happened a few years ago now. State Wide assets based in Metro areas (such as HEMS as an example and Senior roles like Regional Commanders etc) can still be monitored but metropolitan based MICA / AGP's and the like can not.
If you have a trawl through most pager sites nowadays you will see much less in the way of Metropolitan jobs whereas a few years back you'd see every single metro job pretty much for nearly every metro asset. Metro based NEPT's and such are still on the usual system so you will see them, but 'hot jobs' and critical stuff I believe have moved off the legacy pager system.
Some text from Ambulance Victoria back in 2021 regarding the project and change.
So basically they don't trust anyone either. When they expand the radio network, will that be encrypted as well?
The current plan for AV Rural Comms is to be encrypted when they migrate, eventually, they're hanging on to SMR RavNet (based on MPT1327) for dear life at this stage with extended timelines and agreements.
