The New Bao Mobile Radios

[KE0GXN]

Read the Miklor's review....the UV5001 seems extremely legit. Even exceeded the 50 watt output rating!

Glad you posted up on this Mr. G, if anything its given something else to investigate while I am waiting to earn my ticket!

 

[MrGClips]

Read the Miklor's review....the UV5001 seems extremely legit. Even exceeded the 50 watt output rating!

Glad you posted up on this Mr. G, if anything its given something else to investigate while I am waiting to earn my ticket!

If (with a big "IF") these radios turn out to be as good as they appear on paper, then the "price-barrier" will collapse and people could get great and inexpensive radios for both vehicle or home-station use, and all that for half the price of a brand-name handheld! And that is a very attractive offer for any ham!

But I would wait a little bit for actual user feedback, reviews and such, before buying one.

Although it seems that right now these radios are selling like hot-cakes, the programming cable is STILL unavailable, which is a BIG marketing mistake! They should have included it in BOTH packages, AND, should have made it available by release date. BIG mistake!!!

 

[KE0GXN]

If (with a big "IF") these radios turn out to be as good as they appear on paper, then the "price-barrier" will collapse and people could get great and inexpensive radios for both vehicle or home-station use, and all that for half the price of a brand-name handheld! And that is a very attractive offer for any ham!

But I would wait a little bit for actual user feedback, reviews and such, before buying one.

Although it seems that right now these radios are selling like hot-cakes, the programming cable is STILL unavailable, which is a BIG marketing mistake! They should have included it in BOTH packages, AND, should have made it available by release date. BIG mistake!!!

Good points...

Was excited about the possibility of getting an affordable base station going at my house right off the bat, but I may just end up sticking with the HT route....

Either way, if all goes well, it looks like I am going to be licensed way before I get a radio. So I 'll just keep plugging along in trying to figure out what I is the best first application for me in the meantime.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

If the 25W radio is spectrally pure, would make a decent remote site repeater transmitted (high efficiency).

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[k9wkj]

someone wanted one under $100 ?
Amazon.com : SainSonic GT-890 Mini Dual Band Car Radio, VHF/UHF 136-174/400-480MHz 25W/20W Mobile Transeiver, with programming cable, Black : Car Electronics

baofeng,pofung,btech,sainsonic and many other WangChung radios seem to be all the same thing
i may put one on a crossband AllStar node

 

[billy1962]

There is a new second generation chip in the baofeng tech models: Review BTech UV2501 5001 - Miklor

Just saying - not all radios are the same, Miklor is pretty solid when it comes to chicoms - I expect that prices will drop like you pointed out on all of the other first generation versions

 

[AK9R]

Given how bad some of these CCR handhelds are when it comes to spectral purity, I want to see these mobiles on a spectrum analyzer before I'd even consider them. I'd be real concerned about how they do on their high power setting when supplied at the low end of their DC power specification.

 

[popnokick]

Obviously, it would be very helpful if someone with a spectrum analyzer would post their tests here when these radios are available. I have access to an R&S FSH-6 and if I still do next year (and get ahold of one of these new mobiles)... I'll do the test. As I wrote previously, the newer CCRs seem to be improving based upon comparison with my older HTs.

 

[KC2SAD]

UV-5001 FCC Part 90 or 97 certification

I emailed Baofeng sales to ask about the FCC certification, as I would love to buy this for my volunteer work with the US Coast Guard.

 

[nd5y]

I emailed Baofeng sales to ask about the FCC certification, as I would love to buy this for my volunteer work with the US Coast Guard.

Ask them for the FCC ID number.
There have been no recent FCC certifications issued for Chinese analog mobile radios that I could find. If they tell you it is certified they are probably lying but they might use another manufacturer's FCC ID if the radio is a clone.

 

[KC2SAD]

Baofeng's reply about Part 90 certification

The UV-5001 is not Part 90 certified yet, as it is geared to amateur operators.

But, that may change in the future as well

 

[MrGClips]

I think most of the average hobby hams vote with their wallets and couldn't care less about FCC certification when they can get an inexpensive great radio. Based on the official review and for the price, these models seem to be the best dual-band radios right now. No wonder they're running out of supplies already!

 

[popnokick]

If you change "most" in your statement to "many" I might be slightly more inclined to agree. As FCC licensees, most hams take the responsibility to operate their equipment in a technically sound manner, even if certification is not required. And to avoid interference to other stations. As FCC licensees, Amateur Radio Operators are also aware their license permits the FCC to inspect their station and equipment at anytime, as well as be subject to specific fines for rules violations.

 

[k9wkj]

hey fellas
take a look at this Mobile Transceivers_TYT Electronics Co., Ltd, China Two Way Radios, Mobile Transceiver Handheld Walkie Talkies & Interphone
its not new so the Btech,Pofung,WangChung version may just be one of these with new paint and knobs

 

[MrGClips]

If you change "most" in your statement to "many" I might be slightly more inclined to agree. As FCC licensees, most hams take the responsibility to operate their equipment in a technically sound manner, even if certification is not required. And to avoid interference to other stations. As FCC licensees, Amateur Radio Operators are also aware their license permits the FCC to inspect their station and equipment at anytime, as well as be subject to specific fines for rules violations.

OK, so then "MANY".

I don't have any statistics, but common sense dictates that people go for the best deal, and worry about the rules later (if ever). Not suggesting to violate operational rules of course, and I hope BTECH will get their FCC licenses for these radios. If they are as good as they seem, then I don't see any reason why not get certified.

PS: Just checked my Bao HT and it IS in fact, FCC certified, so I'm sure these radios will get their certificates as well. Hopefully soon.

 

[billy1962]

hey fellas
take a look at this Mobile Transceivers_TYT Electronics Co., Ltd, China Two Way Radios, Mobile Transceiver Handheld Walkie Talkies & Interphone
its not new so the Btech,Pofung,WangChung version may just be one of these with new paint and knobs

Considering the TYT model can only display one frequency - theres a lot more than just "paint and knobs" to set up a dual watch model.

Actually quite a bit has changed on a side by side comparison: Compare UV2501 KT8900 - Miklor

I will hold out until more reviews come online; but it definitely is an different radio (if you read the other posts above you will see this has been mentioned already)

 

[AK9R]

I don't have any statistics, but common sense dictates that people go for the best deal, and worry about the rules later (if ever). Not suggesting to violate operational rules of course, and I hope BTECH will get their FCC licenses for these radios. If they are as good as they seem, then I don't see any reason why not get certified.

I think you get the point that amateur radio (Part 97) equipment does not require FCC certification while radios operated in other services, such as GMRS (Part 95A), FRS (Part 95B), Land Mobile (Part 90), or Marine (Part 80), do require FCC certification.

The technical issue that popnokick mentions is that even if you are operating the radio in Part 97, where no certification is required, you are still bound by the emission standards contained in Part 97. Specifically, 97.307(e) which states:

(e) The mean power of any spurious emission from a station transmitter or external RF power amplifier transmitting on a frequency between 30-225 MHz must be at least 60 dB below the mean power of the fundamental. For a transmitter having a mean power of 25 W or less, the mean power of any spurious emission supplied to the antenna transmission line must not exceed 25 µW and must be at least 40 dB below the mean power of the fundamental emission, but need not be reduced below the power of 10 µW. A transmitter built before April 15, 1977, or first marketed before January 1, 1978, is exempt from this requirement.

What the ARRL found when they tested hundreds of handheld radios is that many of the Chinese radios, specifically BaoFeng, do not meet 97.307(e) in the ARRL's testing.

Granted, you could probably transmit with one of these radios for a long time before the FCC found you. However, it's still your responsibility as an FCC-licensed amateur radio operator to abide by the rules. Should the FCC find that you are transmitting with one of these radios and its spurious emissions do not comply with 97.307(e), you could be subject to fines or a potential loss of license.

As for the FCC ID on your BaoFeng, go look it up in the FCC's database. The first three characters of the ID are the Grantee Code and the rest of the ID is the Product Code.

 

[nd5y]

Anytone sued TYT two years ago for stealing their AT-588 and calling it the TH-9000.
Stolen Intellectual Property-Court Judgment in Favor of Qixiang - QIXIANG ELECTRON SCIENCE&TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.,

 

[k9wkj]

Considering the TYT model can only display one frequency - theres a lot more than just "paint and knobs" to set up a dual watch model.

my thinking was just to start drilling down to the bottom and see who really makes this stuff
so many of the same sorta thing
i have a cartoon bubble over my head

"enormous good giant china radio co. ltd."

 

[MrGClips]

Thanks for the info!

I just checked and confirmed that my HT is indeed, an FCC Part 90 certified unit!

The radio has the label under the battery, so I used that number to verify: ZP5BF-F9V2

I guess, at least this model is OK. Just in case the FCC comes checking on my handheld and all!