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bravo14

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I have a question is there a link or site shows info on Threshold like for example while you are in Manual.

Low Mid High Setting
1.42 1.62 1.82 5
1.40 1.62 1.84 6
1.38 1.62 1.86 7
1.36 1.62 1.88 8
1.34 1.62 1.90 9
1.32 1.62 1.92 10
1.30 1.62 1.94 11
1.28 1.62 1.96 12
1.26 1.62 1.98 13

1.47 1.65 1.83 5
1.45 1.65 1.85 6
1.43 1.65 1.87 7
1.41 1.65 1.89 8
1.39 1.65 1.91 9
1.37 1.65 1.93 10
1.35 1.65 1.95 11
1.33 1.65 1.97 12
1.31 1.65 1.99 13

1.45 1.62 1.78 5
1.43 1.62 1.80 6
1.41 1.62 1.82 7
1.39 1.62 1.84 8
1.37 1.62 1.86 9
1.35 1.62 1.88 10
1.33 1.62 1.90 11
1.31 1.62 1.92 12
1.29 1.62 1.94 13
 

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It’s pretty easy. Put the threshold to auto, and watch for the number which is more present with the least errors. For instance if it shows 6 with no errors, set it to 6 in manual mode or try 5. If 5 produces no errors try 4. If 4 gives errors put it back to 5 and you’re done.

Here is the info you’re asking for though.

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/P25_audio_decode_level_adjustment


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It’s pretty easy. Put the threshold to auto, and watch for the number which is more present with the least errors. For instance if it shows 6 with no errors, set it to 6 in manual mode or try 5. If 5 produces no errors try 4. If 4 gives errors put it back to 5 and you’re done.

Here is the info you’re asking for though.

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/P25_audio_decode_level_adjustment


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I have that link years ago in bookmark. I was looking for each setting as posted. I couldn't find nothing.
 

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The three values associated with each threshold setting were changed in a recent firmware update, so the tables in the article are probably not accurate.

What are you trying to do? If you're just trying to get the best reception, you've already been given the info you need.
 

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The three values associated with each threshold setting were changed in a recent firmware update, so the tables in the article are probably not accurate.

What are you trying to do? If you're just trying to get the best reception, you've already been given the info you need.

I'm making a list 5-13 settings with high mid low settings. I didn't know it changes during firmware updates. I wish uniden did 1-20 instead 5-13.
 

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What's the purpose of the list? There is no reason to memorize or track those values.
 

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What's the purpose of the list? There is no reason to memorize or track those values.

Make notes for each site or conv. Figure write them down and make spreadsheet so I don't have scroll through the setting on radio 5-13 to get the numbers.
 

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Make notes for each site or conv. Figure write them down and make spreadsheet so I don't have scroll through the setting on radio 5-13 to get the numbers.



I think you might be overthinking this....you only need to worry about the 5 to 13. The individual numbers are presets based on the 5 to 13 value.


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I think you might be overthinking this....you only need to worry about the 5 to 13. The individual numbers are presets based on the 5 to 13 value.


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When school was in and I live across the street from it and x36 was deaf on DMR I did a test on Arc536 the level setting I was able to hear them at level 2 as long I don't go in the radio and change the level setting than it goes back to default.
 

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You're wasting your time.

That particular DMR reception issue was fixed several firmware versions ago. Leave threshold mode on AUTO unless you're trying to deal with simulcast (which you aren't if you're trying to monitor DMR).
 

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You're wasting your time.

That particular DMR reception issue was fixed several firmware versions ago. Leave threshold mode on AUTO unless you're trying to deal with simulcast (which you aren't if you're trying to monitor DMR).

I'll have to wait for school gets back in to set on auto

I have 3 p25 l systems

1 is DoD Navy Base
1 is AFB
1 is state which is not active yet

all 3 I mostly use the 436 which I have to keep the radio in one spot.
 

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Uniden have adjusted the values in later firmwares so that the original 2 are now 5. I used to have it set to 5 to be able to decode DMR but now they all are at 8 or even 9 to get the lowest bit errors.

If I set it to auto it will slowly adjust itself, on most channels I have, until it stops decode completly. As it remembers the setting it doesn't stop scanning any more on that DMR channel.

I suggest setting all DMR channels to manual 8 and hit function+vol to display the value and while F is lit in the display you can turn the dial to choose other settings to get the lowest error value. Then remember to enter that value in Sentinel so it gets set the next time you update the programming of the scanner.

If you look at a datasignal on a scope you'll see a maximum positive value and a maximum negative value and there is a value in the middle. That middle value are the the middle one (1,62-1,65) in the threshold setting. The first value are the negative scope value and the last threshold value are the positive.

The ideal would be that the max threshold values just reaches the top of the negative and positive values of the datasignal. The max values of the datasignal received could change depending on the system and if you have FM or NFM selected. Also if there are noise in the signal the decoder could detect the datasignal incorrectly so you'll have to lower the theshold values to look more into the datasignal and not at the noisier edges.

If you have the threshold values too small and have the decoder look at the datasignal more to the middle it will give side effects that it's harder to tell the ones from the zeros in the data and it will false detect and will result in more decode errors.

If you are mobile with the scanner the optimum settings will change while you are moving and the auto setting seems like the best choice but then it could tune itself out of the proper decode window and stop decoding all together and will not find itself back without user intervention.

In the picture below the red lines represent the values of the max threshold settings and as there are some noise in the datasignal edges it could false decode on that jitter and a lower green value would be more suitable. If the values are low and reach more to the middle of the signal the time when the signal goes positive and when it goes negative changes and could disturb the measurements that the DSP does and give false results.

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If I set it to auto it will slowly adjust itself, on most channels I have, until it stops decode completly. As it remembers the setting it doesn't stop scanning any more on that DMR channel.

None of that is accurate, and is easily disproven by going into adjustment mode (scroll, FUNC, scroll on the 436, FUNC, volume on the 536) and watching the threshold value during transmissions. The setting doesn't slowly "adjust itself" until decode fails, and it is not stored, even from transmission to the next.
 
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