New York State has invested so much money into regional radio systems that it is unlikely to pivot back to developing a statewide radio system.
Thruway P25 Phase 2 System
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Please site specific examples.
Ok, I understand now. I may have misinterpreted your post.
NYS can't even fix their roads, let alone fix their radio issues.
As stated previously, NYS Thruway P25 will be a limited-access system that is only available to NYSP Troop T and the NYSTA, with coverage around the immediate areas of the Thruway and NYSTA-owned properties.
But anyway, what does this talk about Interoperability and "Statewide" systems have anything to do with the Thruway system? I think we are getting a bit off track.
I do see some SY licenses for NYSTA. Could these be some of them?
FCC Callsign WSHT595 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
FCC Callsign WSHT595 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
www.radioreference.com
FCC Callsign WSHS597 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
FCC Callsign WSHS597 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
www.radioreference.com
FCC Callsign WSHS598 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
FCC Callsign WSHS598 (NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY AUTHORITY)
www.radioreference.com
Also, there are no licenses here in the Hudson Valley yet.
Any SY or YE licenses for the NYSTA are going to be for the new system. The plan is for each site to have four frequencies, so there's another big hint to look for with these trunked licenses. If you type fb2 9K80D7W into the text filter on the RRDB copy of the licenses...voila.
Since we are discussing the thruway and their comms, the link of comms to get fire rolling between Troop T and the fire depts/EMS agencies covering Zone 4 is convoluted and slow. Troops A and E are mostly operating on their local trunks/sheriff systems to aid in local Law Enforcement and their is total disconnect to Troop T.
Radios used are all over the place between who has multi-band mobiles, harris portables, moto portables, what bands they are on....
Some trunks are Harris, some are Moto, ISSI doesnt exists, patches aren't monitored. You can thank diligent dispatchers for stepping up and trying to pass info as best as possible between the messy web of PS agencies involved in emergencies in upstate.
Regional consortia exist because they are required for Federal funding. NYS failed to create their expensive, NY taxpayer funded, non-interoperable system, so Home Rule saved the day.
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Anyway, I am aware of both systems, which are intended to serve two distinct purposes. The UHF P25 "system" is an upgrade of the existing UHF voice frequencies to P25. The TDMA trunk is a whole different animal.
Maybe someone should explain to you who I am.
Anyway, I am aware of both systems, which are intended to serve two distinct purposes. The UHF P25 "system" is an upgrade of the existing UHF voice frequencies to P25. The TDMA trunk is a whole different animal.
If you watch the bodycam of the Trooper involved shooting in Duanesburg on I88 he was changing channels multiple times to call for help from several counties and the Troop channel. Should not have to do that while under threat of fire.
For those of you who want to see that, I found it.
While we're probably gonna go a bit off topic from the topic going down this rabbit hole, holy ****! I haven't seen that video before! That's probably the greatest example I've ever seen of how messed up comms are in NYS. We obviously don't know what channels he was talking on, trying to talk on, coverage at that location, any many other factors, but damn! I hope whatever solution they do "fixes" that from happening again.
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That is crazy that he had to change MULTIPLE channels!
That is quite the eye opener, that is a perfect example of how crazy that was for that officer to change to it seemed like 5 different channels just calling to get anyone out to him asap. He was getting responses but it sounded like just acknowledgments and no sense of urgency.
While I am not a big fan of these P25 trunked digital systems and I still prefer good old analog which it what it sounded like he was on. However, I do feel that a system like the CNYICC multi county trunked system works really well for interoperability since they use the TGs on there and they are all connected. Plus one BIG advantage to the digital trunked systems is they have the EMERGANCY BUTTON! Which most agencies will have it with GPS tracking (if enabled) which would of been very helpful in this situation.
Not so much in the rest of the state where counties will use the low band VHF or high band VHF to call each other and request assistance. Some counties call on the phone to each other and do it that way.
That's not an interoperability issue. That is a system design issue and policy issue. Systems should be designed to have 99% on street coverage. Anything below that is unacceptable for public safety. His primary channel should have the coverage I am talking about.
NYSP, covering the whole state, having 99% street-level coverage, is probably going to be a monumental and probably unrealistic task to achieve. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the industry standard, or acceptable practice is 95%? Regardless, and getting back on topic, a properly designed and implemented TRS could help achieve many of these issues. Shared coverage, automatic roaming from system to system, everything being repeated, transmitting your GPS, etc. End user just remains on their TG and "it just works".
We are basically saying the same thing. His primary radio channel should "just work" thru whatever means necessary. First responders and their unions, organizations and associations should accept anything but....
No, we aren't. Please stay on the thread topic which is "NYS Thruway P25 Phase 2 System".
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