TK-5210 question

[n2mci]

I'm looking to pickup a TK-5210. I see Ver 2 and Ver 3. I saw a comment that the KPG95D only supports V1 & V2, which has the wide band by default
The KPG95DN supports all 3 versions of hardware, but is narrow band only. I also saw V3 is a much better version. My question is, can the V3 do both
NB and WB with a special Dealer or Engineering key? I saw the little brother 5220 (KPG112DN) has this option.

Thanks for any input.

Pete

 

[fire_master_21]

It isn't cheap and your dealer would have to order it for you. However this is what you would need, oh and that is dealer price too.

 

[mmckenna]

I'm looking to pickup a TK-5210. I see Ver 2 and Ver 3. I saw a comment that the KPG95D only supports V1 & V2, which has the wide band by default
The KPG95DN supports all 3 versions of hardware, but is narrow band only. I also saw V3 is a much better version. My question is, can the V3 do both
NB and WB with a special Dealer or Engineering key? I saw the little brother 5220 (KPG112DN) has this option.

Thanks for any input.

Pete

The nice thing about the Kenwood radios is that they'll do wideband below 150MHz, so if you are looking at this radio for amateur radio use, it doesn't matter which version radio or version software.

 

[n2mci]

The nice thing about the Kenwood radios is that they'll do wideband below 150MHz, so if you are looking at this radio for amateur radio use, it doesn't matter which version radio or version software.

Yes, I would need WB just for the amateur band.

Thanks for answering my question.

Pete N2MCI

 

[mmckenna]

Yes, I would need WB just for the amateur band.

Thanks for answering my question.

Pete N2MCI

Yeah, you're good. I've got a TK-5210 and a TK-5710 that I use for work and ham use. Good radios.

 

[KF5AIA]

Wow, I just randomly logged on and saw this relatively recent Kenwood post. I've got the TK-5210, TK-5220, TK-5710 and have used them the last few years for CAP P-25 as well as amateur. All have been great radios. On my 5220 is there a way to program the Marine channels wideband? I have them in my radio narrowband and obviously they have a performance loss. My software is KPG112DN version 2.33.
Thanks

 

[mmckenna]

Wow, I just randomly logged on and saw this relatively recent Kenwood post. I've got the TK-5210, TK-5220, TK-5710 and have used them the last few years for CAP P-25 as well as amateur. All have been great radios. On my 5220 is there a way to program the Marine channels wideband? I have them in my radio narrowband and obviously they have a performance loss. My software is KPG112DN version 2.33.
Thanks

The firmware/software after late 2012 forced everything above 150MHz to narrow band.

You need the W license for the software, that gives you wide band capability back. You can talk to a dealer, but not sure if it's still available or not.

 

[hill]

Ver 2 works fine. My TK-5210 used for ham and some P25 public safety receive only. For my uses don't need the latest and greatest.

Think my software is KPG-95DG ver 7.01 and still allows wideband on the version of my radios.

 

[hill]

On my 5220 is there a way to program the Marine channels wideband? I have them in my radio narrowband and obviously they have a performance loss. My software is KPG112DN version 2.33.

Haven't had my TK-5220 as long as the TK-5210s, but I knew not use the DN version of KPG-112. With the none DN version wideband still works. You are most likely past the point of return on your radio with you all ready programming it with DN and won't be able to use an older version of KPG-112 to program it

 

[n7maq-1]

You just need to find KPG112D Ver 2.01. I don't recall there ever being firmware lock for NB on the TK5210's. You should be able to read the data file with the KPG112D and change the marine channels to wideband. Kenwood is not like Motorola software, you can use older versions.

 

[n7maq-1]

*5220, not 5210..

 

[dispatch235]

Wow, I just randomly logged on and saw this relatively recent Kenwood post. I've got the TK-5210, TK-5220, TK-5710 and have used them the last few years for CAP P-25 as well as amateur. All have been great radios. On my 5220 is there a way to program the Marine channels wideband? I have them in my radio narrowband and obviously they have a performance loss. My software is KPG112DN version 2.33.
Thanks

If you are only wanting to receive the marine channels, if you leave the transmit frequency blank it will allow to select wideband on any frequency programmed to receive only...I have the version 2.33 also and as mentioned older versions of the software allow wideband

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Trying to think of the last time I played with my 5210's…then I remembered they came off of a trunking system and that's why I never really played with them.

 

[KF5AIA]

Thanks for the replies. I spend a lot of time in Florida so that's why I put in the major marine channels. Our EF Johnsons and I believe our Motorolas have marine channels included. VHF Mutual Aid like VCALL 10 etc. 155.16 VSAR etc. are included. Our TDFM 136 aircraft radios are the same. Everything is P25 now but not yet encrypted. I think encryption is a ways off though the Motorolas will be easy to encrypt when the time comes.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Thanks for the replies. I spend a lot of time in Florida so that's why I put in the major marine channels. Our EF Johnsons and I believe our Motorolas have marine channels included. VHF Mutual Aid like VCALL 10 etc. 155.16 VSAR etc. are included. Our TDFM 136 aircraft radios are the same. Everything is P25 now but not yet encrypted. I think encryption is a ways off though the Motorolas will be easy to encrypt when the time comes.

Motorola is one of the more difficult right now to encrypt. If the radio wasn't optioned with any hardware encryption, the MACE hasn't been initialized. The only way to initialize the MACE (officially) is either through a currently supported KVL (which today is a KVL5000 or KVL7000) or to sent the radio to depot. Then you actually have to option encryption into the flashcode which by the time a lot of these users are deciding they want to add encryption, the radio is typically no longer supported and therefore a flash upgrade cannot be ordered. This is why you typically want to order AES Multikey encryption on a new radio even if you aren't using it.

EFJ on the other hand, also saw this issue with JVCKENWOOD. If encryption wasn't optioned, the module wasn't even being installed into the radio by Kenwood or in some cases, not initialized if it was present. So to get around this, EFJ options DES as a $0 item when ordering a radio so JVCK populates the encryption module on the radio during production. With Vault you can still add feature to first generation Viking radios (which are no longer supported).

 

[KF5AIA]

Probably wasn't clear. Apologies. (secure vs clear almost a bad pun) There are secure channels on the new Motorola APX radios but for now they aren't used. CAP radios have to comply with Department of Homeland Security requirements, so the capability is there. My Kenwood's don't have the requisite modules either and honestly weren't worth getting. CAP will allow member owned NTIA compliant radios, but they'll only allow, not surprisingly, encryption on government owned radios. As stated for now 99 percent of missions really don't need encryption so I can use my Kenwood. My 5710 gets great signal reports (pushing 100 NMs with aircraft depending on altitude) and it allows aircrews to train on A-G comms because I have it right at my desk and I can give quick practice comms. For the longest time training in A/G was simulated because unless a full-blown exercise was scheduled there was no ground station to assist. My 5710 and 5220s are probably my last P-25 capable purchases because if things ever go full encryption, it's the end of the road for other than GFE (government furnished equipment). On a side note, I used to be a big scanner hobbyist even when I was young but with so much of the more interesting stuff now encrypted, I can't justify a $600 P-25 scanner when it can effectively be bricked when an agency that hasn't before decides to go encrypted. As a pilot myself I use my BC125 to listen aircraft/ATC but that's mostly it.

 

[MTS2000des]

Understand that when encryption is added, it is to ensure COMSEC but also adds layers of managing keys, keyfill devices, etc and it makes sense that only agency owned SU's and select, controlled external individuals/entities have those keys and keyloading devices. Key changes should be on regular intervals, and usually means a device managed by a KMF, so yeah, personal owned radios are not part of that equation. If real security is the goal, only limited number of persons/keyfill devices should be in circulation and tight auditing and control of them.