TMR in Newfoundland

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All received with a Uniden BCD436HP.
Atlantic Provinces Public Safety Network:

These two sites are in the database with the same site information due to an error
3 (3) 015 (F) Saint Joseph's Avalon Peninsula, NL 770.61875c 770.86875c 771.11875 771.36875
3 (3) 015 (F) New Chelsea Avalon Peninsula, NL 770.61875c 770.86875c 771.11875 771.36875

I have confirmed the New Chelsea site as System ID 00687h-003, Site ID 024, WACN BEE00h and NAC 684. 770.61875

Other new sites have been found as well. All system Id's 00687h-003, all WACN BEE00h

Summerville, Site 046, NAC 686, 769.30625
Bonavista, Site 047, NAC 687, 770.53125
Clarenville, Site 028, NAC 688, 770.65625
Queens Cove, Site 031, NAC 681, 771.14375
Trinity Bay North, Site 048, NAC 688, 771.85625
Port Rexton, Site 070, NAC 680, 772.09375
 

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Radio ID 771528, 771509, 771007, 771004, 771001 and 771000 have all been talking on tg 26550, CBSA NB OPS 1 64132, Interop 2 23101 and PEOC 2 23113.

Radio ID 771528 has been heard identifying as "PRCO 1". I believe this to be CBSA due to traffic on CBSA NB OPS 1 64132.
Where all these radios have been talking on 26550, I believe talk group 26550 to be CBSA NL Ops 1.

More to follow.
 

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Licenses in the 769-802MHz range for Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c/o Bell Mobility for 8K10F1WDT emissions (P25) have begun appearing in the Labrador City and Wabush area.
It would be a safe assumption this is likely part of the TMR expansion project into NL. It is also notable given RNC in Labrador City did recently receive new radios, though I'm unaware of the model.

Same applies for Churchill Falls, which is now showing licenses. Nothing between Labrador City and Churchill Falls, however where RNC normally uses Iridium satellite PTT.

Labrador City, Lab. - License 011011217-001
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, Care of Bell Radio Mobility
52.958333,-66.934722 (Round Hill)
TX:
  • 771.16875
  • 771.41875
  • 771.66875
  • 800.66875
  • 800.91875
  • 801.16875
  • 801.41875
  • 801.66875
RX:
  • 770.66875
  • 800.66875

Wabush, Lab. - License 011022189-001
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, Care of Bell Radio Mobility
52.907861,-66.868778 (Bond Ave & Whiteway Dr)

TX:
  • 769.29375
  • 769.54375
  • 769.79375
  • 770.04375
  • 770.29375
  • 799.29375
  • 799.54375
  • 799.79375
  • 800.04375
RX:
  • 799.29375
  • 800.29375

Churchill Falls, Lab. - License 011022705-001
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, Care of Bell Radio Mobility
53.528667,-64.016111 (Ressegieu Drive)

TX:
  • 770.58125
  • 770.83125
  • 771.08125
  • 771.33125
  • 800.58125
  • 800.83125
  • 801.08125
  • 801.33125
RX:

  • 771.33125
  • 770.58125

Again, it's an assumption this is related to TMR expansion. However, I can honestly say there is no other reason these P25 8K10F1WDT licenses would exist in the region. And again RNC Labrador City did receive new radios.
  • I am not currently in the area to check their status.
 

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Additional new licenses matching the parameters of the TMR now showing in the TAFL.

Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c/o Bell Mobility for 8K10F1WDT emissions (P25).

Newfoundland:
Flowers Cove - 51.303889,-56.725278

Labrador:
Dome Mountain (Happy Valley-Goose Bay) - 53.295806, -60.539306
Happy Valley-Goose Bay - 53.295806, -60.539306
Hopedale - 55.464444,-60.240833
Makkovik - 55.076944,-59.186389
Nain - 56.546944,-61.7125
Natuashish - 55.924722,-61.680278
North West River - 53.516667, -60.146667
Postville - 54.906944,-59.796111
Rigolet - 54.180000, -58.428222
 
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So, what if anything, is still scannable now that most things have moved over?

I noticed the old forestry frequencies have gone mostly quiet, at least for me.
 

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So, what if anything, is still scannable now that most things have moved over?

I noticed the old forestry frequencies have gone mostly quiet, at least for me.
I think for now just NLTI? There's not much on the database even for departments we know that have moved over so I'm assuming they're starting with encrypted talk groups instead of eventually having to upgrade.
The system at one point or another is supposed to go full encrypted like in B.C. (at least that was the plan at the start) so it would make sense. There's really not enough documentation on which talk groups are used in the province so I'd honestly work on identifying tgids first.
 

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The techs are currently up on Round Hill at the site in Labrador City working on establishing the site. No sign of life yet however beyond the licenses.
 

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Update on APPSN P25 talkgroups for Newfoundland department of highways:

Talk Group 24058 seems to cover from Bay Roberts to Carbonear. It also covers the New Harbour Barrens, from the end of route 73, till it connects back up to route 75 in Spanyards Bay. I am going to name this Carbonear / Bay Roberts Area

Talk Group 24059 Has been used in Greens Harbour, Trinity Bay.

Talk Group 24064 seems to cover from where the Holyrood roundabout meets with the end of TG24051's coverage area to the end of route 60 in South River. It also covers from the Trans Canada route 70 turnoff, north till Bay Roberts. It also covers from the Trans Canada Highway route 71 turnoff, north till South River. I am unsure what to call this area so I am going to label it as "Colliers & Area" because Colliers is in the middle of the coverage map I have made for this talk group.

Talk group 24067 seems to cover from the Saint Josephs area to the Trans Canada Highway turnoff (to the north) Because of this, I am assuming that this talk group is "Irish Loop West"

Talk group 24072 Seems to cover the Terra Nova Park area. Most of the traffic has been from Arnolds Cove to Traytown, and from Clarenville up to Bonavista. Because of this, I am calling this talk group "Terra Nova Park"

Talk Group 24075 seems to cover the Marystown Area, from Winterland to Marystown, and from Marystown down to Black Brook. I am calling this talk group "Burin Pennisula North"

Talk Group 24076 Seems to cover the St. Lawrence area, from St. Lawrence to Lamaline. I am calling this talk group "Burin Pennisula South"

As always, more monitoring is needed. I am open to naming suggestions and help. 73 de Aaron VO1IV
Sorry new guy here, is there a way to enter the talk groups ie "24067" into DSD Fast Lane instead of a frequency
 

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Sorry new guy here, is there a way to enter the talk groups ie "24067" into DSD Fast Lane instead of a frequency
Hey,

What I use is called SDRTrunk. I find it better than DSD. I played with DSD for a while, but always found it would drop decoded packets and was a bit clunky to run, at least on my PC. With SDRTrunk you can make alias lists, talk groups, and a bunch of other stuff. Also record any of the clear traffic.
 

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New Talkgroup information for NL Department of Highways:

24095:
Covers an area of Pool's Cove, Saint Jacques, English Harbour west, This is in the "Coast of Bays" region. There is two highway depots in this area (identified with radio ID numbers 509036 Pool's Cove base, and 509049 Saint Jacques base. I am going to call this talkgroup "Coast of Bays DPW"
 

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Two new sites for APPSN in Newfoundland.

Sunnyside NL, 773.03125. Nac680, site 30, Sysid 687h RFSS 003

Saint Bernard's - Jacques Fontaine. 866.0875, nac 680, site 50, sys 687h, RFSS 003
 

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Saint Bernard's - Jacques Fontaine. 866.0875, nac 680, site 50, sys 687h, RFSS 003
This is odd but it matches the license. TAFL Search Results

This is the first site in the whole system I've seen to not use the standard 769-774 MHz. For NS, NB, and PEI the 866/867 range is used mainly for simplex and/or DVRS operations.
 

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Hello everyone, as you may know, all public services have gone Encrypted P25. (Fire, NLHS, RNC, RCMP, Sheriff, Campus Enforcement, HSC, St Clare's, PVT, and others). We/I don't believe everything needs to be full time encryption, and we/I have written a letter to PRCO voicing concerns about this, from an interoperability, accountability, transparency, and public trust standpoint. Open to suggestions, and let me know what you all think. Merry Christmas & 73 de Aaron VO1IV

28 December 2025

Provincial Radio Communications Office

[PWRS@gov.nl.ca](mailto:PWRS@gov.nl.ca)

45 Majors Path, St. John’s, Newfoundland

Canada



To Whom It May Concern:



We (defined as scanner users, ham radio operators, radio hobbyists, and the general public) are asking the Provincial Radio Communications Office, and the government of Newfoundland and Labrador to not encrypt all public safety radio communications in the province on the inter-provincial P25 radio system, that was built and maintained by Bell Radio on behalf of the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador.



We feel that we have a right to monitor the communications of the services our tax dollars pay for, including but not limited to the communications of the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, NLHS, and others. It adds a level of public accountability, transparency, integrity, and further more, encryption directly affects our abilities to properly protect ourselves, and/or our families if we choose to monitor these communications. We want the ability to know that there is a potential drunk driver heading our way, a search and rescue operation taking place, a fire, a serious event, a major collision, or other safety related incidents ahead so we can safely avoid it, and keep tabs on what is really happening in our area. Besides local news outlets the people have no way of knowing what is going on, due to media platforms social or otherwise not reporting events correctly or in a timely manner. By going full time, strapped AES256 encryption, the ability for media outlets to report real time information has been dramatically reduced. In our opinion, full time encryption is taking away our ability to monitor these communications, and ultimately denying us access to information on a service that we the people are expected to pay for via taxes. By being in the clear, we could be proactive in keeping ourselves and loved ones safe, especially considering the dramatic rise in serious events in the past few years. Encrypting all talk groups can erode public trust by creating a perception of secrecy.



As per the 2024 Activity Report available on the Royal Newfoundland Constabularies website (https://www.rnc.gov.nl.ca/files/2024-Activity-Report-Online.pdf), page 10, paragraph 4: "Recognizing that active police events can be distressing for the community, the RNC is working on ways to improve the dissemination of information. The RNC is exploring subscription-based options for push notifications to notify the public of ongoing police activities in an attempt to reach as many people as possible during an active event". The next paragraph reads: "The RNC is continually reviewing its public communication strategies to ensure it is being responsive to the communities it serves. The RNC is committed to providing residents with accurate and timely information across a variety of mediums." A good solution would be to make dispatch radio accessible to the general public, so we could know about active events in the RNC (and other agencies) service districts.



Understandably, not every talk group should be in the clear. We understand that talk groups reserved for tactical operations, or things that would be considered "Protected - B" or "C" do not need to be in the clear, However there is no reason for everything being encrypted. We would like to see things like Dispatch and other non tactical talk groups be changed from AES256 encryption, to in the clear status.



Things to keep in mind regarding encryption:

1: Encryption requires all radios on a talk group to have the same full time "strapped" key loaded.

2: Keys can be re-keyed over the air via "OTAR", however when doing this, if a subscriber unit does not hear the re-key, that radio may not receive it, and this could make a dangerous situation. If that subscriber unit is used with the wrong key, critical time could be wasted on scene trying to get that radio to work.

3: Multiple agencies responding to a singular event may not all have access to the same talk groups, and while there is a series of inter-operability talk groups, 8 out of 12 of these are encrypted. If an agency does not have the correct key, they would need to switch to a talk group in the clear. All this takes away form valuable on scene time, which could be avoided if the talk groups were in the clear from the start.



What we are asking of the government of Newfoundland and Labrador to do is a reasonable request that allows us who do monitor the public safety sector to continue to monitor it in a responsible manner while allowing the public safety sector to keep encryption enabled on talk groups that absolutely require it. Ultimately we wish to use these means as a method for keeping us, and those that we care about safe.




I doubt I will receive a reply, however this letter is gaining support here in VO by listeners, and a petition may soon follow. 73 de Aaron VO1IV
 
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Since you have worded your concerns with well thought out and researched claims, I'm sure they will respond.
As long as citizen's addresses or names are not broadcasting over dispatch channels, you may have a shot.
 

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Hello everyone, as you may know, all public services have gone Encrypted P25. (Fire, NLHS, RNC, RCMP, Sheriff, Campus Enforcement, HSC, St Clare's, PVT, and others).

In Labrador there are exceptions as not all services in the region will be joining the system. In Labrador West and Churchill Falls, it's just RNC. Forestry and local fire agencies will be remaining on their conventional systems in Lab West.
 
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