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Hi all again. I posted a few questions about the new out of my price range Radtel 950, so scratch that. An SDR that can scan so scratch that too. One or two other issues so I am down to this. Can any of these low cost radios be programed from the keypad instead of Chirp, WiFi or other more scientific methods? I just want to program 10 UHF frequencies from the front keyboard. Thanks all for your patience and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
 

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I was going the Ebay route for regular used scanners but got burned a time or two in the past. Even though the 950 is a tad more than my purchase ceiling but since I can program it from the keypad that will be my choice unless there are more affordable radios of that type.. My last question is are there any comparable radios like these that base versions? I searched various sites looking for a scanning base version of these radios and saw some Malachie radio. Sounded too good to be true. I am a 74 year old man who misses the days of the easy to keyboard program the Uniden and Radio Shack scanners. Again, sorry for all the questions.
 
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I was going the Ebay route for regular used scanners but got burned a time or two in the past. Even though the 950 is a tad more than my purchase ceiling but since I can program it from the keypad that will be my choice. My last question is are there any comparable radios like these that base versions? I searched various sites looking for a scanning base version of these radios and saw some Malachie radio. Sounded too good to be true. I am a 74 year old man who misses the days of the easy to keyboard program the Uniden and Radio Shack scanners. Again, sorry for all the questions.
If you're only wanting to monitor 10 UHF channels, look around for a used scanner. There's several near me for sale now for under 50 bucks, I honestly think one was $35 if I remember what I saw correctly.
 

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I was going the Ebay route for regular used scanners but got burned a time or two in the past
I guess I'm lucky, I read descriptions carefully, message sellers and only deal with those that answer and am yet to get burned on eBay. Of the times there was a question I returned it and got either a replacement or my money back. It's all about communication and picking the right sellers. Good luck!
 

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Hi all again. I posted a few questions about the new out of my price range Radtel 950, so scratch that. An SDR that can scan so scratch that too. One or two other issues so I am down to this. Can any of these low cost radios be programed from the keypad instead of Chirp, WiFi or other more scientific methods? I just want to program 10 UHF frequencies from the front keyboard. Thanks all for your patience and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
What are the frequencies you're trying to scan, are they analog (normal FM) frequencies?
 

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I was going the Ebay route for regular used scanners but got burned a time or two in the past. Even though the 950 is a tad more than my purchase ceiling but since I can program it from the keypad that will be my choice unless there are more affordable radios of that type.. My last question is are there any comparable radios like these that base versions? I searched various sites looking for a scanning base version of these radios and saw some Malachie radio. Sounded too good to be true. I am a 74 year old man who misses the days of the easy to keyboard program the Uniden and Radio Shack scanners. Again, sorry for all the questions.

I get being burned.
But the CCR's (Cheap Chinese Radios) aren't much better. There's an 80+ post thread going on right now for some poor guy trying to make a CCR do one of it's most basic functions and it's failing.

Sometimes the best tool for the job is the one that's actually designed for it. Often these transceivers will not scan as well as an actual scanner, which can be important depending on what you are trying to hear.

If used ain't your thing (I get it) there are some inexpensive analog only scanners that will do what you need:
Yeah, it'll cost a bit more than the CCR's, but it'll give you a lot more capability and do the job right.
 

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Hi all again. I posted a few questions about the new out of my price range Radtel 950, so scratch that. An SDR that can scan so scratch that too. One or two other issues so I am down to this. Can any of these low cost radios be programed from the keypad instead of Chirp, WiFi or other more scientific methods? I just want to program 10 UHF frequencies from the front keyboard. Thanks all for your patience and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
I don't want to give the wrong answer here. However, according to my knowledge the FCC prefers radio meant for specific service only be programmed by PC.
Of course, I could be mistaken, because Motorola did have a line of Mobiles and HTs, such as the JT-1000 could be set by the vender to allow users to field program their own radios. I don't really know of any other Radio Manufacture, except Bendix King.

Then again, Motorola and Bendix King aren't what I would consider Budget Friendly Radios
 

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I don't want to give the wrong answer here. However, according to my knowledge the FCC prefers radio meant for specific service only be programmed by PC.
Of course, I could be mistaken, because Motorola did have a line of Mobiles and HTs, such as the JT-1000 could be set by the vender to allow users to field program their own radios. I don't really know of any other Radio Manufacture, except Bendix King.

Then again, Motorola and Bendix King aren't what I would consider Budget Friendly Radios

Correct, Part 90, Part 95 and a few other radio services specifically have rules that say the user cannot be able to access controls that allow changing the function of the radio, ie: frequency, etc.

This is -specifically- there to keep the radio end user from accidentally (or not accidentally) being able to make the radio do something that the licensee is not permitted to do, like work on frequencies they are not licensed for, exceed the power limits set forth in the license, etc.

Where the "Front Panel Programming" is legal is amateur radio and some FEDERAL users. Federal as in federal government.

Fire agencies often have FPP set up on their radios so they can make changes on the fly. Technically this is only legal when operating under federal licenses. Their Part 90 licenses do not allow them to have this feature. This does not impact the capability that many non-federal agencies use to change PL tones to access different repeaters on the same frequency (CalFire uses this heavily).

So, you are correct, Part 90, Part 95, etc. are not permitted to have a FPP function active on their radios.

Amateur radio operators can do whatever the hell they want (within the rules) within the amateur radio bands only. Many hams have the FPP function active on their radios so they can easily make changes on the fly.

We also know there are a lot of other commercial, public safety, GMRS, etc. users that will happily ignore FCC rules whenever they fell like it. Those same individuals are often very, very vocal about how society is falling apart because no one follows the rules, specifically the rules as they interpret them. Hypocrisy at its finest.


But, yes, Part 90, Part 95, FPP is not legal under FCC rules.


As for radios that support it, Motorola, Kenwood, Icom, Harris, Bendix King, I know for sure they all support it. Some require the feature to be activated when ordering. Some require a software check box. Most require that once that feature is active, there be a certain button press or password to access the feature.

Motorola JT-1000 was a very popular FPP capable radio and still quite sought after by amateurs.
 

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Correct, Part 90, Part 95 and a few other radio services specifically have rules that say the user cannot be able to access controls that allow changing the function of the radio, ie: frequency, etc.

This is -specifically- there to keep the radio end user from accidentally (or not accidentally) being able to make the radio do something that the licensee is not permitted to do, like work on frequencies they are not licensed for, exceed the power limits set forth in the license, etc.

Where the "Front Panel Programming" is legal is amateur radio and some FEDERAL users. Federal as in federal government.

Fire agencies often have FPP set up on their radios so they can make changes on the fly. Technically this is only legal when operating under federal licenses. Their Part 90 licenses do not allow them to have this feature. This does not impact the capability that many non-federal agencies use to change PL tones to access different repeaters on the same frequency (CalFire uses this heavily).

So, you are correct, Part 90, Part 95, etc. are not permitted to have a FPP function active on their radios.

Amateur radio operators can do whatever the hell they want (within the rules) within the amateur radio bands only. Many hams have the FPP function active on their radios so they can easily make changes on the fly.

We also know there are a lot of other commercial, public safety, GMRS, etc. users that will happily ignore FCC rules whenever they fell like it. Those same individuals are often very, very vocal about how society is falling apart because no one follows the rules, specifically the rules as they interpret them. Hypocrisy at its finest.


But, yes, Part 90, Part 95, FPP is not legal under FCC rules.


As for radios that support it, Motorola, Kenwood, Icom, Harris, Bendix King, I know for sure they all support it. Some require the feature to be activated when ordering. Some require a software check box. Most require that once that feature is active, there be a certain button press or password to access the feature.

Motorola JT-1000 was a very popular FPP capable radio and still quite sought after by amateurs.
I had a strong feeling that I was either off topic, or I didn't understand the facts when it comes to FCC rules and regulations on FPP. However, I sure understand that the FCC really takes a dim look of using equipment meant for radio service to operate in another that it's not authorize for.

Happy Thanksgiving!
 
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