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Alrighty train fans, What are some of the meanings when a train engineer talks to the yard tower, crew and etc? I was listening to a train dispatcher trying to talk to someone who was having troubles hearing the other person on the track..The dispatcher was asking the other person is the fixing needs to be spotted on the line or lifted straight I never heard this terminology before what could it possibly mean?
 

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Alrighty train fans, What are some of the meanings when a train engineer talks to the yard tower, crew and etc? I was listening to a train dispatcher trying to talk to someone who was having troubles hearing the other person on the track..The dispatcher was asking the other person is the fixing needs to be spotted on the line or lifted straight I never heard this terminology before what could it possibly mean?
As a railroad engineer for the old Reading and Pennsylvania Railroad who left service in 1989 I have no idea what you're talking about which certainly doesn't discount what you're saying. 🙂.

I did a lot of yard work as an engineer while I was on the extra list.

I'm going to assume that the yardmaster wanted to make sure that the yard crew didn't foul any other track while storing trains for the next days operations. I apologize for not knowing the terms but it might be a different part of the country or I'm too old LOL.
 

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Alrighty train fans, What are some of the meanings when a train engineer talks to the yard tower, crew and etc? I was listening to a train dispatcher trying to talk to someone who was having troubles hearing the other person on the track..The dispatcher was asking the other person is the fixing needs to be spotted on the line or lifted straight I never heard this terminology before what could it possibly mean?
Maybe something to do with a manual track switch ? Are you sure dispatch said "Fixing" ?
 

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As a RR employee I can only think that maybe a car needed a trackside repair and the dispatcher was trying to find out if the car could be left ( spotted) on a house track somewhere or needing repairs before continuing. The lifted strait comment I have never heard.
 

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Hey guys,

The dispatcher said fixing he had to repeat what he was saying. To me lifted straight means lift it up straight but never know these days with terminologies and what they mean in the real world.
 

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Now I'm really curious but we would need a lot more information as always. Are these Freight or passenger trains?. Are they diesel or electric with overhead catenary and pantagraphs.

Did it have anything to do with a minor derailment where a train went over a derail in the yard?. That happens at slow speed and just one set of wheels goes off the track, it's a common safety device and it can be pretty easily fixed but we never use that word, we called it a repair LOL.

What railroad was it and what rules are they under of the two choices.
 

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It sounds most likely to me that it's some sort of repair work.

Train crews can spot cars, and I've "dropped cars" (a practice that is pretty much outlawed anymore), but I can't say that I've ever heard of "lifting" cars... Unless it's for a repair. And sometimes that happens... The car can't be moved until it is repaired.

Dropping cars was either tying brakes on cars uphill, or kicking cars uphill. Then a switch is thrown and the cars go a different direction than the engine using gravity or inertia to power them.
 

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Dropping cars was either tying brakes on cars uphill, or kicking cars uphill. Then a switch is thrown and the cars go a different direction than the engine using gravity or inertia to power them.
Hump switching?
 

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Hump switching?
No, that's called hump switching.

Imagine an engine pushing cars uphill past a trailing point switch, pulling the pin then accelerating back downhill over the switch, then between the engine and cars the switch is thrown sending the cars down the turnout while the engine continued straight. The engine can then go back over the switch and take the diverging route and the cars will be on the opposite end of the engine now. It took a good crew on the ground to pull it off without tearing a bunch of things up.
 

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No, that's called hump switching.

Imagine an engine pushing cars uphill past a trailing point switch, pulling the pin then accelerating back downhill over the switch, then between the engine and cars the switch is thrown sending the cars down the turnout while the engine continued straight. The engine can then go back over the switch and take the diverging route and the cars will be on the opposite end of the engine now. It took a good crew on the ground to pull it off without tearing a bunch of things up.
There was a customer we used to do that at when I was a new hire. The conductor would sit on the knuckle at the rearmost car and I'd stand on the steps of the locomotive. We'd bottle the air then start shoving. Right near the switch, the engineer would fully apply the locomotive brakes and I'd jump off at the switch while the loads of cement and the conductor would keep on going up the hill. The engines would then rapidly go the other way until they were in the clear. Meanwhile, I'd line the switch into the industry then get back out of the way just in case something went drastically wrong lol. When the cars ran out of momentum going up the hill, they'd come back past me and into the industry track. When the conductor saw me, he'd kick open the angle **** with his foot and the cars would go into emergency. I'd run over to line the switch for the engines which were on their way back towards me on the mainline. We never had any issues doing it that way, but you'd get fired about 7 or 8 times simultaneously doing it that way now lol
 

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There was a customer we used to do that at when I was a new hire. The conductor would sit on the knuckle at the rearmost car and I'd stand on the steps of the locomotive. We'd bottle the air then start shoving. Right near the switch, the engineer would fully apply the locomotive brakes and I'd jump off at the switch while the loads of cement and the conductor would keep on going up the hill. The engines would then rapidly go the other way until they were in the clear. Meanwhile, I'd line the switch into the industry then get back out of the way just in case something went drastically wrong lol. When the cars ran out of momentum going up the hill, they'd come back past me and into the industry track. When the conductor saw me, he'd kick open the angle **** with his foot and the cars would go into emergency. I'd run over to line the switch for the engines which were on their way back towards me on the mainline. We never had any issues doing it that way, but you'd get fired about 7 or 8 times simultaneously doing it that way now lol
Sitting on the knuckle? Sounds like a fantastic way to lose body parts. No need to mess with angle cocks... just bleed them off.
 

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There was a customer we used to do that at when I was a new hire. The conductor would sit on the knuckle at the rearmost car and I'd stand on the steps of the locomotive. We'd bottle the air then start shoving. Right near the switch, the engineer would fully apply the locomotive brakes and I'd jump off at the switch while the loads of cement and the conductor would keep on going up the hill. The engines would then rapidly go the other way until they were in the clear. Meanwhile, I'd line the switch into the industry then get back out of the way just in case something went drastically wrong lol. When the cars ran out of momentum going up the hill, they'd come back past me and into the industry track. When the conductor saw me, he'd kick open the angle **** with his foot and the cars would go into emergency. I'd run over to line the switch for the engines which were on their way back towards me on the mainline. We never had any issues doing it that way, but you'd get fired about 7 or 8 times simultaneously doing it that way now lol
When I started we had a saying I learned very quickly.. no one ever gets "hurt" on the railroad, you get...... well I'll leave it there.☠️😄.
 

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Sitting on the knuckle? Sounds like a fantastic way to lose body parts. No need to mess with angle cocks... just bleed them off.
I understand it's pretty dangerous, but that's the way he wanted to do it. Bleeding them off would only give him real control of 2 of the handbrakes, whereas, "shooting" the brakes when he came past would put all 9 cars into emergency. 9 cars was the most the customer could hold at one time. 9 covered hoppers worth of cement. Eventually, he retired and the rules changed. Then we'd run past there to the next siding, run around the train and just switch that customer on the way back.
 

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I understand it's pretty dangerous, but that's the way he wanted to do it. Bleeding them off would only give him real control of 2 of the handbrakes, whereas, "shooting" the brakes when he came past would put all 9 cars into emergency. 9 cars was the most the customer could hold at one time. 9 covered hoppers worth of cement. Eventually, he retired and the rules changed. Then we'd run past there to the next siding, run around the train and just switch that customer on the way back.
To each their own. 2 handbrakes will hold 9 loads pretty well and tying brakes allows for more precision when spotting like that since there's nothing attached to move the cars. Even back 80 years ago doing anything with the knuckle of a car was known to be a really bad idea.
 

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I understand it's pretty dangerous, but that's the way he wanted to do it. Bleeding them off would only give him real control of 2 of the handbrakes, whereas, "shooting" the brakes when he came past would put all 9 cars into emergency. 9 cars was the most the customer could hold at one time. 9 covered hoppers worth of cement. Eventually, he retired and the rules changed. Then we'd run past there to the next siding, run around the train and just switch that customer on the way back.
Pretty crazy way to do it.

Yes, dumping the air would put all 9 cars into emergency, but the air holding those brakes on will bleed off, and then you have no brakes. Still have to set some handbrakes, lest the cars start rolling once that air bleeds off.
 

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Pretty crazy way to do it.

Yes, dumping the air would put all 9 cars into emergency, but the air holding those brakes on will bleed off, and then you have no brakes. Still have to set some handbrakes, lest the cars start rolling once that air bleeds off.
That was only used to get the cars to the other end of the engine. Once they were stopped, we’d couple back up to them from the opposite end and spot them at the unloading tipple. The safest method, taking them to a siding and running around them there, could cause hours of delay while waiting on trains. It was a very busy line, and if you “got in the clear” anywhere, you could be stuck there for quite awhile.
 

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That was only used to get the cars to the other end of the engine. Once they were stopped, we’d couple back up to them from the opposite end and spot them at the unloading tipple. The safest method, taking them to a siding and running around them there, could cause hours of delay while waiting on trains. It was a very busy line, and if you “got in the clear” anywhere, you could be stuck there for quite awhile.
Efficiency only benefits the company. Taking risks greatly decreases safety and increases the odds of an injury.
 

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Efficiency only benefits the company. Taking risks greatly decreases safety and increases the odds of an injury.
I understand the sentiment. Some of my managers were really good managers though, primarily the ones with actual experience. We'd do our best to get the work done, and they'd look out for us in any way they could. We wouldn't go out of our way for anyone with a bad attitude towards us.
 

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Sounds like a broken knuckle. Dispatch is asking if the knuckle can be dropped between the rails before pulling forward. Probably also asking if conductor can lift the knuckle. Some conductors cannot.
 
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