Tulsa area OKWIN

[PaidTourist]

Ok I have a Beartracker 885 which I know is not thought of as a true scanner. That being said I enjoy it and have figured out how to edit the database to my liking. The problem I am having is after cross referencing with the database on here I have either deleted or changed the 2 (Police) to a 7 so it will just skip right past the encrypted frequency I am still getting 2 that are encrypted. If there was a permanent lockout on the 885 I wouldn't have a problem, but it only temporarily locks it out till I turn off/on again. If someone can please give me a list of all the frequencies that are not encrypted for the Tulsa to Joplin area I would greatly appreciate it. The 885 primarily just scans the dispatch frequency but I'm sure there are a few others I can change to scan without a problem. Thanks in advance.

 

[Ensnared]

I was will to give you some assistance.

I do know that the area between Tulsa and Joplin, along IH44 is almost seamless with respect to digital trunking. Most of the traffic between those two cities comes from OKWIN P25. Within Missouri, you will have MOSWIN P25, and Jasper County. Jasper County is using a NXDN system.

 

[PaidTourist]

I was will to give you some assistance.

I do know that the area between Tulsa and Joplin, along IH44 is almost seamless with respect to digital trunking. Most of the traffic between those two cities comes from OKWIN P25. Within Missouri, you will have MOSWIN P25, and Jasper County. Jasper County is using a NXDN system.

Thanks. My biggest concern is trying to get just Tulsa area, PD, Sheriff, Bixby, Jenks, Glenpool, etc. and then OHP mainly from Tulsa to Joplin. Not concerned with the little towns between here and there. I did find a bunch of stuff on OKWIN for OSBI etc that were set on a 2 which is Police on my scanner so I changed them so it'll just skip over them. I can find the frequencies, talk groups, etc really easy to edit them. Thanks for any help that you can send my way. I've pretty much got Missouri and Illinois done except St Louis area. It goes to acting really funny there. Total silence and it'll say Multi, Police, Ambulance, or whatever and you can't avoid the channel. Only does it around Rolla and St Louis. No big deal though. I'm not trying to be nosy per se I just like to know about the accidents and whatnot as far away as I can so I can alter my route if needed. Plus I just have fun playing with any type of code like they say it can't be edited on a Mac. Thats all I have lol.

 

[Ensnared]

I use a CB on the road, but I have two separate Uniden 436HP units that come with GPS capabilities. I have looked at the manual for your radio and I see no way to adjust the range of the radio.

So, let's focus on the various cities you mentioned.

Tulsa: On the OKWIN P25 system, Tulsa PD can be monitored, only dispatch talk groups. With respect to Tulsa SO, I am seeing only two encrypted channels. There are a variety of various EMS/Fire that are in the clear, but some are encrypted. This systems has some juicy talk groups that might be of interest such as talk groups: 1239, OSBI tactical; 1231 and 1239, Narcotics in clear. I am including these in case you get stuck in a truck stop. I don't see any Oklahoma Highway Patrol encrypted talk groups.

If you look at the following Radio Reference DB for the OKWIN P25, under the "mode" column, you will see several abbreviations. You will see these modes in other radio systems. You can go through and make notes about which ones to edit.

Oklahoma Wireless Interoperability Network (OKWIN) (P25) Trunking System, Various, Oklahoma - Scanner Frequencies

D = Phase 1 P25 in the clear;
De = Phase 1 P25, not fully encrypted;
DE = Phase I P25, fully encrypted;
T = Phase 2 P25 in the clear;
Te = Phase 2 P25, not fully encrypted;
TE = Phase 2 P25, fully encrypted.

With respect to Bixby, Glenpool, & Jenks, you have a mixed bag of encryption. This is a Phase 2 P25 system; however, it is on the Broken Arrow Regional System:

Broken Arrow Communications Regional Network Trunking System, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma - Scanner Frequencies

I already know that Phelps county (wife comes from St. James). Phelps county shows no encryption being used on the MOSWIN system.

Missouri Statewide Wireless Interoperable Network (MOSWIN) Trunking System, Statewide, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies

I saved the worst for last. You are not going to hear much in the St. Louis area with respect to law enforcement due to full encryption on many talk groups. I see only one Phase I P25 talk group: talk group 113, St. Louis county law pursuit. However, to avoid wrecks and other road closures, there are many clear talk groups for EMG, Fire, and EMS. Sometimes, I monitor these services when LE is encrypted.

St. Louis Area Trunked Emergency Radio (SLATER) Trunking System, St Louis Metro Area, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies

I don't know if your radio lets you hear encryption or not. My Uniden 436HP does not let me hear encrypted talk groups. Hence, I don't include them in my setup.

I hope this helps shed some light on this matter. I was operating under the assumption that you are editing through the radio. I don't know if you have reviewed the various systems I posted within the Radio Reference DB.

"Put the pedal to the metal."

 

[PaidTourist]

Below are some screenshots of what I see. From what I have figured out the coordinates = 20.0 circle is I will scan those frequencies below when I am within the 20 miles of the coordinates. Pretty simple. Now after that I see pretty much a double of each city, county, state after that. Either with the T-Freq or C-Freq. As for the numbers at the end screenshot 9.40.37 the 2 is for Police, 3 is Fire, 4 is EMS, 14 is DOT. 1 is for Multi which I rarely see except in rural areas where multiple departments are using the same frequencies. on OKWIN you'll see multiple rows of frequencies with 1,2,3... which I have no idea whether I'm scanning them or not. I'm sure it is but just not sure. Same thing on Broken Arrow and pretty much any other state.

On 9.34.33 you'll see "209" at the end. I definitely have no idea what that is.

So when I am referring to "range" I'm just talking about changing the 20.0 to 50.0 or so where it'll start scanning more frequencies, but I'm sure with my scanner I don't want to get it to scanning too many at one time. I read that it only scans like 82 per second.

I'm looking for the D,De,DE, etc on OKWIN and just not seeing it. Thanks for the info and now I do know with St Louis I'll just change the range down to 0.1 so it won't scan any frequencies there unless I'm sitting right downtown or wherever the coordinates for the tower are. I do understand that if I change it to 50.0 circle if the department only has lower wattage radios that I won't hear them anyways. Colorado must be using something high power or a lot of repeater towers because I can actually pick them up 40 miles or so away from the border. Anyways just trying to concentrate on Broken Arrow and OKWIN right now so I can get them figured out. Once I do that the rest of the states will be pretty much the same. Again Thanks for the input.

 

[PaidTourist]

I use a CB on the road, but I have two separate Uniden 436HP units that come with GPS capabilities. I have looked at the manual for your radio and I see no way to adjust the range of the radio.

So, let's focus on the various cities you mentioned.

Tulsa: On the OKWIN P25 system, Tulsa PD can be monitored, only dispatch talk groups. With respect to Tulsa SO, I am seeing only two encrypted channels. There are a variety of various EMS/Fire that are in the clear, but some are encrypted. This systems has some juicy talk groups that might be of interest such as talk groups: 1239, OSBI tactical; 1231 and 1239, Narcotics in clear. I am including these in case you get stuck in a truck stop. I don't see any Oklahoma Highway Patrol encrypted talk groups.

If you look at the following Radio Reference DB for the OKWIN P25, under the "mode" column, you will see several abbreviations. You will see these modes in other radio systems. You can go through and make notes about which ones to edit.

Oklahoma Wireless Interoperability Network (OKWIN) (P25) Trunking System, Various, Oklahoma - Scanner Frequencies

D = Phase 1 P25 in the clear;
De = Phase 1 P25, not fully encrypted;
DE = Phase I P25, fully encrypted;
T = Phase 2 P25 in the clear;
Te = Phase 2 P25, not fully encrypted;
TE = Phase 2 P25, fully encrypted.

With respect to Bixby, Glenpool, & Jenks, you have a mixed bag of encryption. This is a Phase 2 P25 system; however, it is on the Broken Arrow Regional System:

Broken Arrow Communications Regional Network Trunking System, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma - Scanner Frequencies

I already know that Phelps county (wife comes from St. James). Phelps county shows no encryption being used on the MOSWIN system.

Missouri Statewide Wireless Interoperable Network (MOSWIN) Trunking System, Statewide, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies

I saved the worst for last. You are not going to hear much in the St. Louis area with respect to law enforcement due to full encryption on many talk groups. I see only one Phase I P25 talk group: talk group 113, St. Louis county law pursuit. However, to avoid wrecks and other road closures, there are many clear talk groups for EMG, Fire, and EMS. Sometimes, I monitor these services when LE is encrypted.

St. Louis Area Trunked Emergency Radio (SLATER) Trunking System, St Louis Metro Area, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies

I don't know if your radio lets you hear encryption or not. My Uniden 436HP does not let me hear encrypted talk groups. Hence, I don't include them in my setup.

I hope this helps shed some light on this matter. I was operating under the assumption that you are editing through the radio. I don't know if you have reviewed the various systems I posted within the Radio Reference DB.

"Put the pedal to the metal."

I think I have a solution. I cross referenced it with the database on Radio Reference and I see the D, DE, and then just match the name with the HPBD file and I've found a couple that are a 2 (which means its scanning it) so I'll change it to a 7 so it'll skip over it. Going to be tedious but I'm sure I'll have fun doing it. Well that part is figured out. Now if I can just get the "209" on OKWIN figured out, if even needed.

 

[Freqed]

Broken Arrow, Bixby and Glenpool are all encrypted on BARCN. Jenks is the only one that isn't of the original 4 from the old EDACS system. Wagoner County/City is in the clear PD wise. You may also want to look at Rogers County Sheriff as they work the I-44/412 interchange pretty heavy sometimes.

 

[Drkatzjr45]

“and then OHP mainly from Tulsa to Joplin..”


If you are traveling from Joplin to Tulsa (I assume using the Will Rogers turnpike)
I would suggest four tower (sites) using OKWIN P25


1. MIAMI

Then...

2. VINITA

Then..

3. PRYOR

Then..

4. TULSA


I assume you would be primarily interested in OHP.

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TROOP L (the X-ray units) patrol I44 in Ottawa and Craig counties)

TROOP B Serves the Rogers and Tulsa County areas on your drive
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[wbloss]

Be sure to add

854.96250

d143

Tulsa pd car to car chit chat

 

[Freqed]

I haven't heard anything on that freq related to TPD in awhile now, last time I heard anything on there sounded like the Mulch site operations.

 

[peterjmag]

854.9625 is their old "Talk Around" It was pretty much abandoned when they went P25 encrypted with everything but the main sides. They know they can communicate information more freely without every Tom, Dick, and Harry listening to them. I too have heard an unknown city department use it as well. I'm pretty sure like Ray stated it's at the City of Tulsa mulch site out on the east side of town.

 

[Freqed]

Talkaround was used with the onset of a "Trunking" system the City of Tulsa started in the early 80's as a way for officers to speak freely with each other and not run the risk of being discipliend for it as all the Trunked Channels were thought to be either monitored or recorded. It's the same as TCSO officers still using there old 155 freq which I'm also not hearing much traffic on lately. Some TGID's are being lost in the migration from OKWIN to OKWIN P-25. I'm hearing TCSO officers saying switch to C but not hearing anymore traffic on the listed ID'S assigned to TCSO. It could be an encrypted channel that is to blame for that and switching to search on the system will net you a lot of other traffic and not necessarily any from TCSO. With the advent of the newer scanners that allow for radio ID labelling it will help with finding operator's and an ID their using and with some radios being able to stay on encrypted ID's it will just take some work to find those ID's.

 

[Freqed]

Confirmed this today, as I heard two City of Tulsa trucks talking to each other on "Talkaround"as they drove down far E. 71st (Kenosha) and county line road. They were commenting about the new Casey's store being built at N 37th Street and Kenosha.