Uniden released new hp2? What about fixing the models you already released!

[Xray]

I was discussing modern corporate practices in a thread claiming a pretty dumb premise. Namely, that a company should or would only work one line of project at a time. You're the one decided to give wholly unnecessary geography lessons.

Keep it up, Bunky.

No you weren't - You brought up Apple comparing it to Uniden " I suppose we could say Apple isn't a U.S. computer manufacturer." Apparently forgetting or not knowing that 1 is a Japanese corporation, the other American.
We can wrap this up pretty quickly. You still stand by your statement that Uniden is "one of the last major scanner manufacturers left in the US" ?
[Not sure what slander "bunky" is intended to imply, I'll ask my 8 year old when she wakes up]

 

[WQPW689]

No you weren't - You brought up Apple comparing it to Uniden " I suppose we could say Apple isn't a U.S. computer manufacturer." Apparently forgetting or not knowing that 1 is a Japanese corporation, the other American.
We can wrap this up pretty quickly. You still stand by your statement that Uniden is "one of the last major scanner manufacturers left in the US" ?
[Not sure what slander "bunky" is intended to imply, I'll ask my 8 year old when she wakes up]

"When you discover you're riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount"

-Commonly attributed to various Plains Indians tribal wisdom

Have a good one.

 

[stingray327]

competition?

Does the HP-2 have any competition from any other scanner companies like Whistler?

 

[Jay911]

I would think the only applicable competition to the HP2 (from outside Uniden) would be the PSR-800 and its derivatives - definitely not the 500/600 you've posted pictures of.

The HP2 records audio, does P25 phase 1 and 2, and multi-site trunking; those alone are things that the 500 and 600 don't even touch (of all those, they only do phase 1).

 

[stingray327]

I would think the only applicable competition to the HP2 (from outside Uniden) would be the PSR-800 and its derivatives - definitely not the 500/600 you've posted pictures of.

The HP2 records audio, does P25 phase 1 and 2, and multi-site trunking; those alone are things that the 500 and 600 don't even touch (of all those, they only do phase 1).

So Whistler doesn't have scanner model that will scan PH25 Phase II?
In another area on comparable frequencies does the Uniden pick up signals better or does the Whistler brand pick up signals better?
Are the Whistler scanners made well as far as put together or do they fall apart ditto for the Uniden scanners.

 

[Jay911]

So Whistler doesn't have scanner model that will scan PH25 Phase II?
In another area on comparable frequencies does the Uniden pick up signals better or does the Whistler brand pick up signals better?
Are the Whistler scanners made well as far as put together or do they fall apart ditto for the Uniden scanners.

I just barely got through saying that the PSR-800 and the Whistler derivatives do phase II.

I don't use the Whistler radios, so I can't say what "picks up signals better" - other than to say the 436 has received the best of any radio I have ever used short of a professional two-way; and I've not had a radio "fall apart" on me in a very, very long time, long enough ago that I don't remember what brand it was.

You've asked all this before in other threads, haven't you?

 

[stingray327]

I just barely got through saying that the PSR-800 and the Whistler derivatives do phase II.

I don't use the Whistler radios, so I can't say what "picks up signals better" - other than to say the 436 has received the best of any radio I have ever used short of a professional two-way; and I've not had a radio "fall apart" on me in a very, very long time, long enough ago that I don't remember what brand it was.

You've asked all this before in other threads, haven't you?

Thanks, possible I may have but I am having problems reading the text in computer.

 

[jonwienke]

Thanks, possible I may have but I am having problems reading the text in computer.

Make your font size larger. You can change the font size in your computer desktop settings, or in your browser settings under Zoom.

 

[cherubim]

I would think the only applicable competition to the HP2 (from outside Uniden) would be the PSR-800 and its derivatives - definitely not the 500/600 you've posted pictures of.

The HP2 records audio, does P25 phase 1 and 2, and multi-site trunking; those alone are things that the 500 and 600 don't even touch (of all those, they only do phase 1).

Not to nitpick but the PSR-500, PSR-600 and the Radioshack/Whistler equivalent scanners all do multisite trunking and do it very well. I would go further and say that Uniden's P25 multisite trunking is inferior to the method that GRE/Whistler use. This is especially the case when one looks at the x96XT series.

 

[Boatanchor]

Not to nitpick but the PSR-500, PSR-600 and the Radioshack/Whistler equivalent scanners all do multisite trunking and do it very well. I would go further and say that Uniden's P25 multisite trunking is inferior to the method that GRE/Whistler use. This is especially the case when one looks at the x96XT series.

I tend to agree with cherubim on the last point.

Multi-site trunking on any scanner slows the scan rate down considerably since the scanner has to dwell on each site's control channel for about one second to decode the data stream.

Uniden's approach is to scan each site/control channel in sequence before scanning any of the conventional channels. This means the scanner may spend 5 seconds dwelling on 5 control channels in a multisite scan list and miss important conventional traffic.

The GRE/Whistler approach is to scan one control channel, then scan through all the conventional channels, then scan the next control channel and so on. The scanner still has to dwell on each control channel for the same amount of time, but at least it goes off and checks all the conventional channels in between each control channel scan.

Basically, the GRE/Whistler approach gives a higher priority to conventional channels, while Uniden gives higher priority to the multisite trunking channels.

Personally, I prefer the Whistler/GRE approach, but to each their own.

 

[Jay911]

Not to nitpick but the PSR-500, PSR-600 and the Radioshack/Whistler equivalent scanners all do multisite trunking and do it very well.

We're technically talking about two different things here - I probably should have used a different term than "multi-site trunking". The PSR-500/600 has no provision for having multiple sites in a system (TSYS). If you have more than 32 control channel frequencies in a "multi-site system", you are screwed. You have to create duplicates and put the extra CCs in those duplicates - and maintain talkgroup and radio ID lists for each of those duplicate TSYSes.

I would go further and say that Uniden's P25 multisite trunking is inferior to the method that GRE/Whistler use. This is especially the case when one looks at the x96XT series.

I would say that too, and have, in fact - on these forums, the very same day you quoted me.

 

[Voyager]

Uniden's approach is to scan each site/control channel in sequence before scanning any of the conventional channels. This means the scanner may spend 5 seconds dwelling on 5 control channels in a multisite scan list and miss important conventional traffic.

The GRE/Whistler approach is to scan one control channel, then scan through all the conventional channels, then scan the next control channel and so on. The scanner still has to dwell on each control channel for the same amount of time, but at least it goes off and checks all the conventional channels in between each control channel scan.

Assuming your citation of the GRE/Whistler scheme is accurate, the overall scanning rate (the time it takes to scan all your channels) is slower on the GRE. Let's say you have 10 "clicks" to scan 5 sites (1-5) and 1 set of conventional channels (a).

Uniden: 1-2-3-4-5-a-1-2-3-4 (10 is up - you scanned 166% of your channels, or scanned your entire list 1.6 times)

GRE: 1-a-2-a-3-a-4-a-5-a (10 is up - you barely scanned 100% of your trunk channels - scanning each trunk site once and the conventional channels 5 times)

As you said, "to each his own". I don't like the manufacturer deciding that my conventional channels (usually BS) are more important than my local Public Safety channels that are more important to me. After all, the newer and more PS oriented channels will often be trunked, and I suspect most users would have the same priorities I do. (most - not all)

 

[stingray327]

Assuming your citation of the GRE/Whistler scheme is accurate, the overall scanning rate (the time it takes to scan all your channels) is slower on the GRE. Let's say you have 10 "clicks" to scan 5 sites (1-5) and 1 set of conventional channels (a).

Uniden: 1-2-3-4-5-a-1-2-3-4 (10 is up - you scanned 166% of your channels, or scanned your entire list 1.6 times)

GRE: 1-a-2-a-3-a-4-a-5-a (10 is up - you barely scanned 100% of your trunk channels - scanning each trunk site once and the conventional channels 5 times)

As you said, "to each his own". I don't like the manufacturer deciding that my conventional channels (usually BS) are more important than my local Public Safety channels that are more important to me. After all, the newer and more PS oriented channels will often be trunked, and I suspect most users would have the same priorities I do. (most - not all)

Does this have to do with the scanning speed of the scanner? Not being able to scan quick enough to pick up agency full conversations when they are transmitting?
I only ask because it seems to be on my 436 the agency I monitor has lots of traffic but I get the feeling that I am not getting the whole conversations in transmissions like before with conventional scanning. So now it appears that agency doesn't get much traffic which raises my suspensions on this.

 

[Voyager]

Does this have to do with the scanning speed of the scanner? Not being able to scan quick enough to pick up agency full conversations when they are transmitting?
I only ask because it seems to be on my 436 the agency I monitor has lots of traffic but I get the feeling that I am not getting the whole conversations in transmissions like before with conventional scanning. So now it appears that agency doesn't get much traffic which raises my suspensions on this.

It's not the scanning speed of the scanner, as for the most part the modern units all scan at about the same rate (about 100 channels per second).

It has to do with the speed of scanning what you have in your scan list. In essence, using my previous examples, let's say 10 'clicks' is 10 seconds (assuming a site takes exactly 1 second to scan and a group of channels also takes 1 second - not exactly accurate, but this is an example). It would only take the Uniden 6 seconds to scan everything in your list while it would take the GRE 9 seconds to scan the exact same thing. Although the GRE will have scanned the conventional channels 4 times in that duration:


Uniden: 1-2-3-4-5-a (6 seconds)

GRE: 1-a-2-a-3-a-4-a-5 (9 seconds)

Again, this is based on the premise that Boatanchor is correct about how the GRE/etc scans. I'm not sure if that is the case.

Sting, how many seconds does it take for your display to show one system again after it shows it the first time? That will be your list scan rate.

 

[Boatanchor]

It's not the scanning speed of the scanner, as for the most part the modern units all scan at about the same rate (about 100 channels per second).

It has to do with the speed of scanning what you have in your scan list. In essence, using my previous examples, let's say 10 'clicks' is 10 seconds (assuming a site takes exactly 1 second to scan and a group of channels also takes 1 second - not exactly accurate, but this is an example). It would only take the Uniden 6 seconds to scan everything in your list while it would take the GRE 9 seconds to scan the exact same thing. Although the GRE will have scanned the conventional channels 4 times in that duration:


Uniden: 1-2-3-4-5-a (6 seconds)

GRE: 1-a-2-a-3-a-4-a-5 (9 seconds)

Again, this is based on the premise that Boatanchor is correct about how the GRE/etc scans. I'm not sure if that is the case.

Sting, how many seconds does it take for your display to show one system again after it shows it the first time? That will be your list scan rate.

If I recall correctly, you can set the GRE/Whistler up to scan multi-site in exactly the same way as the Uniden i.e All control channels in sequence, or you can opt to do the Trunk Site 1/conventional/Trunk site 2/conventional... scan as above. So, really, the GRE UI offers the best of both worlds.

I prefer my conventional channels having priority, but I can opt (In my PSR600) to scan all the control channels in one go too if I wish. Regardless, IMHO multi-site trunk is only really practical with less than 5 sites within range.

 

[Voyager]

If I recall correctly, you can set the GRE/Whistler up to scan multi-site in exactly the same way as the Uniden i.e All control channels in sequence, or you can opt to do the Trunk Site 1/conventional/Trunk site 2/conventional... scan as above. So, really, the GRE UI offers the best of both worlds.

I prefer my conventional channels having priority, but I can opt (In my PSR600) to scan all the control channels in one go too if I wish. Regardless, IMHO multi-site trunk is only really practical with less than 5 sites within range.

I recall and option in the 500 series to scan all control channels, but if that option is not selected, I thought the scanner would only evaluate ONE control channel even if more are programmed.

 

[W6KRU]

I recall and option in the 500 series to scan all control channels, but if that option is not selected, I thought the scanner would only evaluate ONE control channel even if more are programmed.

Yes. Multisite has 2 modes:. Roam and STAT. Roam locks on to to the first CC that exceeds the Hi threshold. STAT allows you to scan all of the CCs.

 

[Voyager]

Yes. Multisite has 2 modes:. Roam and STAT. Roam locks on to to the first CC that exceeds the Hi threshold. STAT allows you to scan all of the CCs.

So the scheme cited by Boatanchor doesn't exist?

 

[W6KRU]

So the scheme cited by Boatanchor doesn't exist?

I think he has it correct. I just clarified?

 

[w4amp]

as soon as anyone on here has any info on the HP2 "sub menu P-25 settings"....and IF those settings improved p-25 and phase II performance, please let me know. I returned my HP2 due to LOUSY p-25 performance, and HORRIBLE phase II decoding.....without knowing about that "sub menu".....thanks, Uniden, for keeping it a secret. You MIGHT have had a satisfied customer ... Instead, It cost me $25 to return it, and I am a very unhappy Uniden customer.

Get in line, you have most of the 436 and 536 buyers in front of you.:lol: