Uniden - TDMA Scanner

[fmon]

Don't forget that TDMA decoding is not an officially advertised PSR800 feature. While Uniden may not be saying anything about it, people seem to forget that GRE hasn't said anything about it either, they just slipped the feature in without advertising or annoucing it. To me, this says that GRE was/is not confident enough in it's TDMA decoding capabilities to advertise it as an official feature. They cannot advertise it as P25 Phase II capable (since nobody knows yet what the standard will be), but they could have advertised it as TDMA-capable if they wanted to.

Chris, does this image tell a user anything about the PSR-800. Image is a new system for Hampton Virginia which became active 5 months ago. I suspect Loudoun County VA and Prince George's County MD may have something similar.

 

[CoolCat]

Chris, does this image tell a user anything about the PSR-800. Image is a new system for Hampton Virginia which became active 5 months ago. I suspect Loudoun County VA and Prince George's County MD may have something similar.

I don't see the relevance to the post you quoted?

I certainly never said that it cannot decode it, we all know it can. I simply stated that GRE chose to not advertise it's TDMA decoding capabilities.

This is GRE's description of it's digital decoding:

Multi-System Digital and Analog Trunking - Scans digital and analog trunked radio system signaling formats, including Project-25, Motorola Type I/II/Hybrid, EDACS, and LTR systems.

 

[mike_s104]

I don't see the relevance to the post you quoted?

I just think he was trying to show that GRE does include it as an option in the software.

 

[Dewey]

To sum this entire thread up, at least from my perspective and posts, is that I don't understand the continued Uniden silence. I may be 100% wrong, but it looks like this will not be a firmware update, and those of us who want TDMA will once again have to buy new scanners.

How hard would it be to just put out a beta firmware with the typical caveat, "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK"? All of the arguments about engineering, testing, and costs would be moot IF this were already being worked on, and IF this were a simple firmware update. We've had firmware releases in the past that could be "rolled back" by re-installing the previous firmware.

Dewey

 

[kikito]

I also email people in my office about accidents and such so they can avoid those areas while working and get to/from work safely. Yeah, it sounds really dorky but I actually have some coworkers call and ask me what's going on when I haven't "reported" the traffic to them.

Just think, you could even argue that you're doing your part to "save the planet" by keeping more people from needlessly idling their cars on a blocked road! LOL.

(Not that I care much about the "save the planet" hoopla.....) :roll:

 

[kikito]

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Just a brief reminder to those here that keep mentioning that Phase-II hasn't been aproved, TDMA was chosen as the official standard over SIX MONTHS ago.

Motorola will be shipping the latest 7.x systems with the approved format by Q4-2011...

Others and me have been trying to get that through some people's head for a while now.

They keep claiming Phase 2 is not "finished". Well, technically, even Phase 1 is not 100% finished to this day either.

At the time P25 scanners started coming out, there was even less of the Phase 1 spec finished compared to what's already finished with Phase 2. Heck, the first P25 scanners wouldn't even decode the 9600 CC's or trunked systems that were in frequency bands other than 800MHz. Believe me, I know (and "struggled") about this personally since in my area we had one of the first big VHF 9600 systems.

 

[ButchGone]

Before everybody get's worked up over P25 phase 2, keep in mind the FCC is trying to push a new nationwide standard based on LTE technology in the 700MHz band. We'll have to see what shakes out of the trees. I wonder how many counties will pay the huge cost of going from phase 1 to phase 2 now that they have invested so much in phase 1?
BG..

 

[Anon6083]

Before everybody get's worked up over P25 phase 2, keep in mind the FCC is trying to push a new nationwide standard based on LTE technology in the 700MHz band. We'll have to see what shakes out of the trees. I wonder how many counties will pay the huge cost of going from phase 1 to phase 2 now that they have invested so much in phase 1?
BG..

Although it is good to recognize that the FCC has selected LTE as the future for public safety communications technology, they've only selected LTE; there has been no real formation of a plan or a standard regarding this. Although I can't - obviously - say this with authority, LTE is a ways away from adoption and implementation.

 

[JRayfield]

In my opinion, you make a very good point regarding P25 Phase 1 and Phase 2, and agencies that have installed Phase 1.

At some point in the not-too-distant future, the FCC will likely require everyone to move to 6.25 khz (or equivalent) bandwidth. P25 Phase 1 will then be 'illegal'. Agencies that have purchased systems/equipment that can't be upgraded to Phase 2 will have to purchase new equipment. MUCH of the equipment that is currently on the market will not be upgradeable to Phase 2.

John Rayfield, Jr. CETma
W0PM

Before everybody get's worked up over P25 phase 2, keep in mind the FCC is trying to push a new nationwide standard based on LTE technology in the 700MHz band. We'll have to see what shakes out of the trees. I wonder how many counties will pay the huge cost of going from phase 1 to phase 2 now that they have invested so much in phase 1?
BG..

 

[kikito]

Although it is good to recognize that the FCC has selected LTE as the future for public safety communications technology, they've only selected LTE; there has been no real formation of a plan or a standard regarding this. Although I can't - obviously - say this with authority, LTE is a ways away from adoption and implementation.

Plus, it's always been proposed that a lot of the 700MHz spectrum and the technologies used in it, like LTE, are mostly for video, data/text and other than Voice applications related to Public Safety. Most of the regular voice communications are still and will be in dedicated trunked systems and such.

Two way radio communications as they're used now are a long ways from being permanently replaced by all this whiz-bang, cellular based technology. I don't care what "pundits" and so-called experts say.....

 

[mike_s104]

Plus, it's always been proposed that a lot of the 700MHz spectrum and the technologies used in it, like LTE, are mostly for video, data/text and other than Voice applications related to Public Safety. Most of the regular voice communications are still and will be in dedicated trunked systems and such.

Two way radio communications as they're used now are a long ways from being permanently replaced by all this whiz-bang, cellular based technology. I don't care what "pundits" and so-called experts say.....

I think we're getting off topic again.

 

[kikito]

I think we're getting off topic again.

LOL, yep, we've been mostly off-topic since the second page.....

 

[mike_s104]

LOL, yep, we've been mostly off-topic since the second page.....

Not what I was looking for when I started this. No discussions/arguments about any finalized TDMA standards or anything else other than "When will Uniden release a TDMA scanner?" or "Can Uniden please give us some hope before we give GRE our money?"

 

[Anon6083]

I think we're getting off topic again.

I think the original topic has been exhausted and that it has developed into something else.

 

[kikito]

Well, what did you guys expect from a question/topic that only Paul O. and/or Uniden could answer or address with any certainty?

You guys got the only thing you could get from the rest of us, speculation, complains and off-topicness...... :roll:

 

[davidzimmerman]

buy a GRE and be done with it.maybe when more buy a GRE and see how it works better then maybe they will have a answer by then?

 

[mike_s104]

buy a GRE and be done with it.maybe when more buy a GRE and see how it works better then maybe they will have a answer by then?

Apparently you hadn't read the full thread either. Some of us don't like and/or want GRE. Some of us don't want to spend $400+ on a scanner without a keypad.

 

[Dewey]

Apparently you hadn't read the full thread either. Some of us don't like and/or want GRE. Some of us don't want to spend $400+ on a scanner without a keypad.

Exactly.

 

[Bob_61]

Apparently you hadn't read the full thread either. Some of us don't like and/or want GRE. Some of us don't want to spend $400+ on a scanner without a keypad.

So the Home Patrol is another piece of junk? These scanners without keypads do serve a purpose to some. I would not mind either scanner! Anyway I thought this was a thread about Uniden and decoding TDMA, not taking shots at GRE?

 

[Dewey]

So the Home Patrol is another piece of junk? These scanners without keypads do serve a purpose to some. I would not mind either scanner! Anyway I thought this was a thread about Uniden and decoding TDMA, not taking shots at GRE?

Why are so many "shots" being taken in this thread? Who said junk? While I think the HP is nice, I still fully agree with Mike. There are many times when I am out of my home area, and want to "customize" my programming based on what I am hearing at the time. Like Mike, I prefer Uniden, but that is preference, not downing GRE. Now to keep things on topic, there are probably others that wish they could nudge Uniden into at least giving us a hint at what is going on concerning TDMA, I know I do.

Dewey