Unknown signal on 42.92 - Not CHP

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Hi all, I'm in PA and hearing CHP skip nearly daily after noon to sundown. I've got all of the CHP database in my 325. Every once in a while I hear what sounds like data or tones of some sort. It does have a PL on it. Most recent capture was 42.92 pl 103.5 @ 1604 Eastern time. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the tones I'm hearing. Thanks!
 

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What are the UNIT ID's you are audibly hearing ?
 

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Hi all, I'm in PA and hearing CHP skip nearly daily after noon to sundown. I've got all of the CHP database in my 325. Every once in a while I hear what sounds like data or tones of some sort. It does have a PL on it. Most recent capture was 42.92 pl 103.5 @ 1604 Eastern time. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the tones I'm hearing. Thanks!
It's not CHP. Their channels are analog voice. It may be a manufacturer's test frequency or Wildlife Tracking. Try the FCC database, start with a nation wide search and narrow down the possibilities. There are 54 Licenses on that frequency (42.92)

Here's the link to the FCC: License Search
Go to "Advanced Search" at lower left of page.

Good Luck !
 
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Got an audio sample for us? CHP could be experimenting with ANI or GPS data at that office. We see that they've evolved away from the one-size-fits-all model elsewhere. Can someone in CC give a listen?
 

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Got an audio sample for us? CHP could be experimenting with ANI or GPS data at that office. We see that they've evolved away from the one-size-fits-all model elsewhere. Can someone in CC give a listen?
Why would CHP experiment with low band ANI or GPS when the system already exists on much higher and reliable frequencies?
 

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Hi all, I'm in PA and hearing CHP skip nearly daily after noon to sundown. I've got all of the CHP database in my 325. Every once in a while I hear what sounds like data or tones of some sort. It does have a PL on it. Most recent capture was 42.92 pl 103.5 @ 1604 Eastern time. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the tones I'm hearing. Thanks!
That frequency and tone is CHP Maroon Base as mentioned above. This is the patrol area east of Oakland. Sounds you were hearing could be coming from the unit's computer in the vehicle or other alerts in the car. I often hear them in the background of a mobile unit talking. Dispatch would ID as "Golden Gate".
 

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here's a zip file of the tones I heard. Almost sounds like a control tone of some sort.
 

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here's a zip file of the tones I heard. Almost sounds like a control tone of some sort.
It's AFSK data with standard Bell 1200/2400 Hz modem tones.
The data burst is too short for me to tell if it's 600 or 1200 baud.
Are you sure it's CHP or even in the US?
 
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It's not ANI. Why whould you make the users key up and wait 4 seconds before talking?

I'ts not wildlife tracking. Those make a very short blip about every 2 seconds. The transmissions are way too long for that. It would drain the battery in no time if it transmitted often. Also you would not likely be able to receive a few mW signal from basically no antenna that far away.

It's probably not the CHP. I would guess that all of their radio sites are shared with other users and have network access. It would be unnecessary and stupid to run site telemetry on a law enforcement dispatch channel.
 

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Hi all, I'm in PA and hearing CHP skip nearly daily after noon to sundown. I've got all of the CHP database in my 325. Every once in a while I hear what sounds like data or tones of some sort. It does have a PL on it. Most recent capture was 42.92 pl 103.5 @ 1604 Eastern time. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the tones I'm hearing. Thanks!
Before the CHPERS was implemented about 20 years ago, the 42.92 Meg freq was the "Maroon" station to car & car to car frequency. As part of the CHPERS program, all the channel pairs were supposed to be configured as 42/39 megs or 42/45 meg pairs statewide with the 42 meg freq being the car to station channels. I don't think the 42.92 meg freq would be a station to car freq. after the CHPERS program was implemented, at least it wasn't the original channel plan

If you were hearing traffic that said, " Golden Gate, 19-681", that would be a Contra Costa Area beat unit that works Interstate 680 calling dispatch on the 42.92 meg freq, 19-681 should have been receiving dispatch on a 39 or 45 meg freq. Now, if you were hearing traffic that said, "19-681, Golden Gate", that would be dispatch calling the unit on 42.92 megs.

Before CHPERS, Contra Costa Area was on the "Maroon" channel that used 42.74 Megs for the car to station freq and received dispatch on 42.92 Megs. Again, I don't know if the CHPERS channel plan changed when the CHPERS was implemented.

It wasn't unusual for the mobile units to skip to the East Coast years ago along with the Dispatch channels.

If the tones are a short blurp of tones, you may be hearing the voting comparator or system control tones that sometimes don't get filtered out.

Any use of ANI or GPS data probably wouldn't have been transmitted on the Low-Band channels. More than likely that data would have been transmitted over the LTE Cellular network like the MDCs data are transmitted.
 

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It's AFSK data with standard Bell 1200/2400 Hz modem tones.
The data burst is too short for me to tell if it's 600 or 1200 baud.
Are you sure it's CHP or even in the US?
As far as I can tell it is in the US and on CHP channels as downloaded from here. I only hear the CHP after noon and up until about sunset. I've confirmed the channels and voice are CHP by pulling up broadcastify. Just not sure what the tones are.
 

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Another thought would be that the tones could be the PT-T ID data if they are using that feature on the new CRIS system and the Low-band VHF System is multi-casted with CRIS and the PT-T ID is being retransmitted onto the low-band system.
 

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Another thought would be that the tones could be the PT-T ID data if they are using that feature on the new CRIS system and the Low-band VHF System is multi-casted with CRIS and the PT-T ID is being retransmitted onto the low-band system.
You wouldn't be able to hear the radio user if PTT ID or ANI was transmitted for 4 seconds every time the user keyed up.
 

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Do you hear the tones on Broadcastify, too? Is there 103.5 CTCSS on the carrier as well? Are the tones necessarily coming from the same source as the CHP voice traffic you are hearing?

The Broadcastify feed says "Signal quality for this feed is severely impacted during the month of December." and that seems to be accurate. Listening to the archive for the indicated time (2024-12-22 13:04 PST), it's pretty bad, but I don't hear anything like the clips.
 

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As far as I can tell it is in the US and on CHP channels as downloaded from here. I only hear the CHP after noon and up until about sunset. I've confirmed the channels and voice are CHP by pulling up broadcastify. Just not sure what the tones are.
Is it at all possible you're getting intermod or a harmonic?
 

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That sounds like the emergency alert tone. When CHP has a pursuit, foot chase or they are confronting a dangerous suspect the dispatch sends out a tone about every ten seconds. Its purpose is to alert officers on the frequency there is an emergency in progress and to stay off the frequency. It doesn’t affect the dispatchers ability to hear units in the field transmitting.
 

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That sounds like the emergency alert tone. When CHP has a pursuit, foot chase or they are confronting a dangerous suspect the dispatch sends out a tone about every ten seconds. Its purpose is to alert officers on the frequency there is an emergency in progress and to stay off the frequency. It doesn’t affect the dispatchers ability to hear units in the field transmitting.

That's not what this is.
 
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