Updating talk groups how to identify

[flinx]

I listen to Luke AFB and have captured 11 talk groups that are not in the database. however I cannot determine what they are exactly used for, or what their alpha tag should be. How are people finding this information?

When I listen to many of the talkgroups identified in the database, some of them do not seem to match their labels.

How are people determining what encrypted talkgroups are used for?

The majority of talkgroups I hear seem to be related to Aircraft maintenance of some kinds.

Some talkgroups are encrypted sometimes and not others. sometimes only one side of the conversation is encrypted.

the list below is the talkgroups captured by win500 and the number of times they have been used in the last 2 weeks. The one with the E is encrypted and locked out so unknown how much it is really used.

5000 58
5004 0
5015 E 2
5026 1
5028 2
5037 3
5040 20
5042 0
5044 5
5084 2
5105 14

 

[dave3825]

How are people determining what encrypted talkgroups are used for?

What are you scanning with? Start tracking and logging radio id's on the enc tg's, and then see where else on the system they pop up. That can let you know who it is. Then listen to the clear tg's they are on and listen to see if they ever tell others to switch to xxx tg/channel.

 

[flinx]

What are you scanning with? Start tracking and logging radio id's on the enc tg's, and then see where else on the system they pop up. That can let you know who it is. Then listen to the clear tg's they are on and listen to see if they ever tell others to switch to xxx tg/channel.

Pro-651 using win500 monitor/control. It automatically captures talkgroups not in the current scanner config I have opened.

No one has ever said to switch to another TG/channel in the last year that I have been listening. in fact no one has really identified or mentioned any channels or TG's at all that I have heard.
Most of the traffic is related to relaying diagnostic codes from Aircraft, reporting on current stores/fuel load/requesting permissions to do engine runs, and confirming engine runs are completed.
There is one person who identifies as either MACH or maybe MAC (pronounced MOCK) and seems to be a dispatcher.
I guess I could log what they are talking about along with the TG used but no one ever says "hey this is maintenance", or "this is missiles" They never mention peoples names, or use any identification except maybe a number.

in fact how someone determined the alpha tag for this system would be really interesting to find out. They do not ever mention missiles or anything really weapon related except that sometimes they mention flares expended.

basically I don't think I can meet the submission requirements to update the database.

 

[flinx]

currently 5037 is transmitting what sounds like a hostage situation. I think it's a training. it sounds like a grade school play of a hostage or hijacking.

 

[GlobalNorth]

Your TGs may be civilian contractors working within certain shops as part of the 56th Maintenance Group.
Example - The AF divested itself of the F-16 at Luke, but there are Dutch, Italian, and other nation's training aircraft there. Lots of retired 2A3X7 types there.

 

[GlobalNorth]

It may have changed, but the 56th SFS used to host joint training at the base with local police departments using tac training channels [before the trunked radio systems came aboard]. Fire, Crash, & Rescue is still heard in the clear during training.

 

[918Dave]

The only TG I monitor from Luke AFB is 5033. Rarely is encryption in use. At least once a week you are likely to hear an in-flight emergency for an F-16 or an F-35. My favorite to date is the (carbon fiber mishap) or bird strike.

 

[flinx]

when (what I assume) is maintenance talk to each other MAC/MOC will refer to someone by a number. currently they seem to be 1 through 5.

when all are asked to confirm something they will respond like "1 copies", "4 copies", "3 copies" etc.

If you only listen to 5033 you are missing a lot. 5037 just had some kind of exercise of a hostage situation which was funny to listen to, and I wish I had recorded it. it went on for a couple of hours.

I cannot confirm that the maintenance people are contractors or not. they sure don't sound like any non military people I have worked around (I'm former A&P).

5009 is listed as testing. it's not testing, it just sound like one of the maintenance TG's.

Yes I have heard some people who are from an asian country doing maintenance.

I have heard several notices of emergency landings in the last few days.

for some reason I am not being notified of replies, even though I am watching this thread.

 

[918Dave]

Not missing anything. I'd just rather listen to actual Fire, EMS and IFE responses. Not interested in maintenance & training scenario comms. As a USAF veteran, that was a daily occurrence. Besides Luke I monitor Glendale PD & Phoenix Fire primarily. When Luke has an airshow, I'll listen to the Thunderbird or Blue Angel pilots.

 

[flinx]

3 new talkgroups today:
5108
65534
5060E