Hi all,
Is VA3XPR still active in Toronto and do they use AES encryption (128 or 256 bits)?
Thanks
Is VA3XPR still active in Toronto and do they use AES encryption (128 or 256 bits)?
Thanks
VA3XPR Toronto
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Technically hams are not supposed to be using encryption 
. However I occasionally hear ADP on some P25 repeaters. If XPR has encrypted traffic they are probably using mot hardware. That would mean AES256. Hams are well known for having flexible hardware so its possible they may be using one of the other Moto algos such as DES
. However I occasionally hear ADP on some P25 repeaters. If XPR has encrypted traffic they are probably using mot hardware. That would mean AES256. Hams are well known for having flexible hardware so its possible they may be using one of the other Moto algos such as DES
Well XPR is in the name lol
kayn1n32008
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Hams are legally allowed to use encryption in Canada, with some certain requirements. 😉Technically hams are not supposed to be using encryption
If it's DMR, it will be ARC4 or AES256.
DES has never been implemented in DMR that I'm aware of.
If it's P25, it could be ARC4, DES, or AES256, but given the ease of keyloading, amd availability of plenty of used gear with AES, there really isn't any point in using anything other than AES256.
Motorola doesn't own ARC4, DES or AES256.
RC4:
DES:
AES:
Nome of these algorithms are 'Motorola algos'
Okay sounds good. I'm just looking for a DMR AES (256) sample (.wav or .bin) to see how it rolls out.
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Since AES isn't really available in North America on Motorola equipment, chances are they would be using Basic Privacy or Enhanced Privacy but I'd guess they're in the clear.
lwvmobile
DSD-FME
Canada doesn't' count as North America lol
Oh well that's a shame. I don't understand why AES wouldn't be available on DMR when it's widespread on P25, but that's just me lol.
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kayn1n32008
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More bull**** from the Motorola department of sales prevention, trying to force prospective buyers that want AES256 encryption to their ASTRO25 gear.
lwvmobile
DSD-FME
I seem to recall seeing a few Cap Max systems in and around Quebec using AES-256 encryption, unless I'm mistaken.
It is.... It's just Motorola that are stupidly anal with it. Hytera will sell you an AES entitlement without issue. Even better? Anytone radios come with it as a standard feature. I have an AT878 and AT168 that both do ARC4 and AES256 out of the box.
Moto's stance has always been that if you need AES you should be using P25. They really need to get with the times a little bit better.
kayn1n32008
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You basically have to tell their Department of Sales Prevention, 'we're not buying Astro25, we're buying DMR, if you don't sell us this system with AES, we will go with your competitor'.
They will sell it to you, but you have to make it a key requirement for purchase.
For a none public safety system, DMR makes better sense(at times) and Astro25 is incredibly expensive, even to build a conventional system.
I have worked for companies that(are not public safety related) that have deployed P25 systems. There are even some Motorola Type 2 systems still in use. However, DMR is definitely more popular in the industrial realm than P25, as the legacy technology is retired and replaced.
No, no they don't. They know what's best to fleece their customers. Especially customers that don't know the technology and don't have a good, competent consultant working in their interest.Mother Moto knows best.
Sales people are NOT working for you, they are working to get the most dollars out of your pocket. Sales people are not unbiased consultants.
I can think of a couple companies that got taken for a ride buying Connect Plus systems, instead of Capacity Plus for plant sites that had a single site, and no need for majority of Connect Plus capabilities.
slicerwizard
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Yep, it's for the same reason IBM crippled and overpriced their original PC back in the early 80's - didn't want it threatening sales of their bigger iron. So naturally, the (brand new) competition ate their lunch.
Hmm if you're talking about the region of Montreal then the only Cap Max systems seem to have ARC4 encryption. But then if you're talking about Quebec City, I wouldn't know.
