VIPER vs NCSHP low band

[jimmymac434]

everyone has to remember that VIPER is not just 800mhz radios, it is a system to connect all types of radios regardless of vhf/uhf/800mhz together in times of an emergency. VIPER stands for Voice Interoperability Plan for Emergency Responders its made propose is to provide temporary interoperable communications with other public safety agencies
on-demand during emergencies.

 

[WA4MJF]

Does anyone know why, when a patrolman is assigned to a 10-50 PI or F, he/she
(not the pervert kind) isn't given the TAC Channel to check in on? It seems that
dispite all the money spent on the system, one still has to call on the cell phone to
the Troop Radio to get the ETA of the patrolman, authorize the calling of a rotation
wrecker, etc. The other method is call your dispatcher and have them call Troop
Radio and get the info and relay it back. It would seem logical that the patrolman
would get the TAC channel and call command and then could directly communicate
with the folks on scene.

 

[Grog]

Does anyone know why, when a patrolman is assigned to a 10-50 PI or F, he/she (not the pervert kind) isn't given the TAC Channel to check in on? It seems that dispite all the money spent on the system, one still has to call on the cell phone to the Troop Radio to get the ETA of the patrolman, authorize the calling of a rotation wrecker, etc. The other method is call your dispatcher and have them call Troop Radio and get the info and relay it back. It would seem logical that the patrolman would get the TAC channel and call command and then could directly communicate with the folks on scene.

Some reasons I can guess is so everyone can keep their records straight, the troopers radios not being programmed with everything in the state...


Plus you know there has always been the cops VS firemen issues :lol:

 

[WA4MJF]

Well, yes, but since most patrolmen are in a county for a number of years, it would seem
not too difficult to program the radios for the TACs where they work. I guess it just defeats the whole purpose that it was designed for, that is inter communications with
other agencies when they're working a common emergency.

 

[CCHLLM]

There are plenty of common channels available in the various radio systems in NC for those with the radios to talk on them. So, why aren't these so-called interops channels utilized when there's more than one agency involved?

Because it's not policy on the SHP side, and because it's not policy on the local side, and in so many cases, it's not policy among the agencies WITHIN the local side.

Because the interops capabilities are not likely to be included in the radio training on the local agency side for whatever reason.

Because the interops capabilities are not likely to be included in the radio training on the SHP side for whatever reason.

It's not policy on either side because the various command heirarchies seem to have a problem with personnel switching to a channel that's not a working channel of their particular radio system and isn't included in the respective comm center capabilities.

It's not policy on the either side because so many radio system directors and command personnel on both sides don't want anybody they don't directly control and fund talking on "their" radio system unless they "issue" a radio to the "outsiders."

Because local and state politics are usually in conflict when it comes to policy jurisdiction, and none of the powers in the food chains on either side want to relinquish one ounce of their control.

Conclusion: When you work out the interdepartmental political headbutting that has always existed, then perhaps the powers-that-be can sit down and work out some sorts of statewide interops plans. Until then, the particular politics in each little political fiefdom among city, county, and state LE, fire, rescue and EMS, and other agencies will prevail as answering to no one but their individual selves. "And NO, YOU can't talk on MY radio system unless you're willing to pay to talk on it."

 

[Bote]

Yep, WX4CBH is right, unfortunately.

What? You guys actually believed the b.s. boiler-plate press releases sent out by Motorola touting how their shiny new multi-million dollar trunked system would allow the dog catcher to call directly to the police or the fire Lt to contact the water department?

One agreement that was hammered out many years ago and works well to this day is the NoVa agreement between Alexandria City, Arlington County, and Fairfax County, Virginia. Due to their unique geography they frequently run calls in the other jurisdictions, and box alarms pull units from all 3 for that one call. There's not much finger pointing because it's a done deal. They already have box areas and first-due assignments plotted on a map, tactical channels commonly used, no guesswork. Maybe this is a model for other jurisdictions who don't have their heads in the sand (or up some other dark place).

 

[WA4MJF]

Yep, we in Wake County believed it enough to buy the "brain" that runs the
system, unless the other one in Greensboro is working now, that runs the system.
Yes, we can talk to all Wake County agencies involved in a response, except when
a crash in the county, and then it is back to the cell phone to contact NCSHP.

BTW, the Dogcatchers have a permantent patch from UHF Raleigh 8 to the VIPER
system, so yeh, you can talk to the dogcatchers.

Of course, we kept our VHF, UHF stuff, as the State did, most did anyhow. Donnie is putting it back in the
cars that work the fringes of the county, as they were using Class D CB
to fill in the holes. We have one pumper with VHF only, as there are only
so many 800 mobile radios we can afford, that as new pumpers are purchased, we have to
take the 800 radios off the older rigs and put them on the the newer ones.

 

[dow35]

when listening to the highway patrol on the viper system can you just put in the guildford co viper freqencies to hear them?are do you need to put in all the countie freqencies

 

[reconrider8]

what you might want to try is getting the subscription for here and then you can just d/l the frequencies you want

 

[KE4ZNR]

Going to lock this thread up to prevent any off topic posts...
Please keep all VIPER related questions to the official VIPER sticky thread...
Thanks!
Marshall KE4ZNR