Watertown NY Town Police

[Sprint]

Hello,

Is anyone hearing this service ? ENC or Clear ? I read that they are part on the Central NY Interoperable System , can hear many Counties but nothing from Watertown. Located in Kingston. If you are hearing, please let me know freq or if in CNIC.

Cheers
Chris

 

[Sprint]

I think you misread the location. Watertown NY. I suspect anyone in Eastern Ontario / Ottawa and the Upper NY State might hear them.

 

[k2hz]

I think you misread the location. Watertown NY. I suspect anyone in Eastern Ontario / Ottawa and the Upper NY State might hear them.

Watertown PD is TGs 45328 and 45329 on Jefferson County CNYICC. Are you able to hear the CNYICC Site 006 Jefferson Simulcast? They will be on that site.

 

[radionerd13669]

Hearing them fine on the SDR.

 

[Sprint]

I appreciate the intel. I can hear Jefferson County well but still can't seem to reach Watertown PD. Could be my location...? Thanks for the update !!!
Cheers

 

[GTR8000]

I can hear Jefferson County well but still can't seem to reach Watertown PD.

Are you able to hear the CNYICC Site 006 Jefferson Simulcast?

You didn't answer this question. Are you able to reliably receive the Jefferson County site of the CNYICC system? If not, then you're not going to hear Watertown PD. Being able to receive conventional frequencies from Jefferson County has no bearing on receiving the trunked system.

 

[Sprint]

Watertown PD is TGs 45328 and 45329 on Jefferson County CNYICC. Are you able to hear the CNYICC Site 006 Jefferson Simulcast? They will be on that site.

You didn't answer this question. Are you able to reliably receive the Jefferson County site of the CNYICC system? If not, then you're not going to hear Watertown PD. Being able to receive conventional frequencies from Jefferson County has no bearing on receiving the trunked system.

Hello, I will review when I have a moment . I can hear surrounding areas well ( Oswego , Fulton ..) and Jefferson on the Jefferson Simulcast of CNYIC. Does this all make sense ?

 

[k2hz]

Are you monitoring the Jefferson Simulcast only and do you have TG 45328 and 45329 programmed? You may just be missing them amid all the other traffic on the system.

 

[Sprint]

Are you monitoring the Jefferson Simulcast only and do you have TG 45328 and 45329 programmed? You may just be missing them amid all the other traffic on the system.

yes. I will be on the road tomorrow and may bring the radio. / could just be my location. I'm using an AOR discone up a few feet and do hear State Police / Park Police and often the Thruway Auth. Cheers

 

[radionerd13669]

yes. I will be on the road tomorrow and may bring the radio. / could just be my location. I'm using an AOR discone up a few feet and do hear State Police / Park Police and often the Thruway Auth. Cheers

Sounds like you need to check your programming. If you are receiving everything else as you state from the Jefferson system, you should be hearing WPD.

 

[Sprint]

yes I will...can you remind me what their radio traffic sounds like ? I know State Police is : 3D...etc. does watertown pd use unit numbers ?

 

[k2hz]

Are you sure you are getting reliable reception of CNYICC Jefferson Simulcast and receive the other Trunk Groups OK. I Beleive you have a BCD436 that will have problems with receiving simulcast. Have you set the scanner on just Jefferson Simulcast and are sure you have TG 45328 and 45329 programmed and being scanned?

If you are receiving them the scanner should display "C/Watertown PD1" TG 45328 or "C/Watertown PD 2" TG 45329. They probably are not very active so you could be missing them in all the other traffic on the system. I suggest you just select one of those TG s with CHAN and just leave it on there for a while.

 

[radionerd13669]

They are pretty busy! All the activity is on 45328, again if he isn't hearing anything its something on his end.

 

[k2hz]

They are pretty busy! All the activity is on 45328, again if he isn't hearing anything its something on his end.

I suspect he is attempting to scan a simultaneous mix of CNYICC sites and conventional. The 436 will struggle with a simulcast system in any event and, if scanning multiple sites and/or a mix with conventional, it will be doubtful he would reliably get any Jefferson TGs.

Assuming he can receive Jefferson CNYICC, then he may not have the Watertown TGs programmed and is not using TG search.

 

[Sprint]

I've taken the time to see when on CNYICC that I only seem to be receiving " Oswego Simulcast ". I can receive Jefferson and Wayne ( outside CNYICC ) and Lewis most days.

My plan is to isolate Jefferson CNYICC if possible and see what happens. Jefferson County Fire & EMS has a very solid signal. Makes me think I am missing something.

Cheers !

 

[k2hz]

I've taken the time to see when on CNYICC that I only seem to be receiving " Oswego Simulcast ". I can receive Jefferson and Wayne ( outside CNYICC ) and Lewis most days.

My plan is to isolate Jefferson CNYICC if possible and see what happens. Jefferson County Fire & EMS has a very solid signal. Makes me think I am missing something.

Cheers !

Doubtful you would every hear Watertown PD on the Oswego site. The TG would only be active on there if there was a Watertown PD unit in the Oswego County area. Jefferson Fire and EMS are likely to have units in or near Oswego County so their TGs would likely be active on both Jefferson and Oswego sites at times

If you are referring to hearing Jefferson County conventional Fire and EMS dispatch, the conventional systems will have much wider coverage that the trunked system. It will also not have the P25 simulcast issue most scanners have problems with. You are apparenly fortunate to be in an area where the simulcast distortion from Oswego is minimal.

You definitely need to select CNYICC Jefferson on "Site Hold" to see if you can receive the Jefferson site.

 

[Sprint]

I am now on " site hold " with Jefferson now and will monitor for a bit. I have one or two signal bars and can see DAT. is the range with P25 simulcast less than conventional ?

 

[Sprint]

further to last, I seem to hear more to the south east from my location ( Kingston, ON ) . Lewis Simulcast comes in pretty well. strange ..

 

[k2hz]

I am now on " site hold " with Jefferson now and will monitor for a bit. I have one or two signal bars and can see DAT. is the range with P25 simulcast less than conventional ?

P25 simulcast systems have many tower sites in a cellular configuration. Each County "Site" towers are designed to cover a specific area. So, a well designed system will have minimal coverage outside of the intended service area. Also, most scanners can not handle receiving signals from multiple transmitters in P25 simulcast so will work only if you happen to be in an area with a clearly predominant signal.

I suspect you have a clear shot across Lake Ontario to one Oswego tower site so your 436 is able to receive it.

If you are seing steady DATA when idle and P25 when receiving a signal and the signal bars are not fluctuating wildly, you are probably in a good signal area.

In any event, scanning more than one site or mixed trunk and conventional scanning you are likely to miss activity on the trunked systems unless you have good, stable, signals since the scanner has to constantly re-sync to each control channel as it scans.

 

[Sprint]

What's interesting..I have been able to capture Watertown PD based on searching the active channels and depending on location hear them quite well. Odd that I'm not able to hear much at all by scanning the TG or SITE ? its a bit unorthodox but seems to work. I wonder what else I am missing ? Do you hear anything on the 380mhz of Fort Drum or 700/800 mhz systems for Munroe ?

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