What's a "charlie fox"?

[Observer1]

It's SOP to advise the officer that the party being run thru the database has a concealed firearms permit down here in SW Utah as well. The CFP info shows up whenever they run your driver's license. Down here, they'll say "valid concealed firearms permit, expiring ####" or sometimes they'll say "valid 10-88."

Depending on why you are interacting with the officer, he or she learning that you have a CFP might make them relax a little, or of course it could make them more concerned.

The only problem I have is that sometimes the officer will ask for the firearm, and will run the serial #, claiming they want to see if it's stolen or not. By doing so, this becomes a de facto state registration of firearms, because now your name in conjunction with that exact firearm gets saved in the database.

Not true. Having seen firearms run there is no name attached to it. Just the serial number and the type of weapon. Those are the only two boxes for information on that form. There's certainly no way to attach that firearm to a specific person while checking to see if it's stolen

 

[Observer1]

lndshrk:

Perhaps you don't realize just because someone has a clean history they aren't a good guy.

While the vast majority are, Utah revokes several hundred a year for new violations.

Sadly police officers have to treat everyone as a threat these days. Too many officers aren't going home. 100 more police officers died in the line of duty in the US last year than combat deaths in Iraq. Shootings of police officers are at their highest levels in 30+ years.

All that being said, there are bad apples in every bunch. The vast majority of every group are great. It's the bad ones that cause trouble unfortunately.

 

[Hooligan]

Not true. Having seen firearms run there is no name attached to it. Just the serial number and the type of weapon. Those are the only two boxes for information on that form. There's certainly no way to attach that firearm to a specific person while checking to see if it's stolen

I don't know -- and I'm not going to assume you do know one way or another -- that two separate tasks like

1. Running me for a DL/Warrant check
2. Running my firearm through NCIC

aren't then combined & saved in the agency's integrated CAD/RMS software. Unless it is specifically illegal to do so in Utah, my assumption is that it would be done, as these days the law enforcement philosophy is to keep as much intel as possible, in case a year or even 10 years later, that individual is involved in something major.

 

[Hooligan]

In case some people didn't know this, it seems like here in Utah, a lot of public safety agencies are using Spillman (a Utah-based company) for CAD & Records Management.

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