Will a XTS5000 encryption board fit into a APX6000 ? Also is it true ADP can't be used in p25 Radios anymore? Read a Document on it, but can"t find it anymore so not sure if it was a reliable source.
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Will a xts5000 encryption board fit into a APX6000 ?
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kayn1n32008
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No. And no.
You answering the XTS5000 ENC question or the ADP ?
kayn1n32008
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Both.
Ok Thanks for the Help.
Adding low-cost ADP encryption could be a pricy decision – Urgent Comms
By Scott Tschetter — A movement is afoot to add a proprietary encryption protocol called advanced digital privacy, or ADP, to Project 25 systems across the country. However, in so doing, users are at risk of losing federal grant funds.
urgentcomm.com
Here is where I saw the ADP ENC Being banned .
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Motorola Removes ADP Encryption as Included Option from Radios
MissionCritical Communications, Radio Resource International, and Public Safety Report - wireless voice and data communications for mobile, remote and public safety operations
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kayn1n32008
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You can still use ADP encryption. However, it is garbage encryption and is only good enough to keep scanners from monitoring.
ADP no longer comes standard with the APX subscribers, you now have to explicitly order it (although it's still a no-cost option for a single key). This was done in order to ensure that the radios were compliant with P25 CAP standards.
As far as the secure board from an XTS going into an APX...the radios are two completely different designs that share no components. The APX secure hardware is an integrated MACE chip that is either on the VOCON board or the expansion board, depending on the model.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/p25compliance-motorola_letter_jan_13_2020_2.pdf
As far as the secure board from an XTS going into an APX...the radios are two completely different designs that share no components. The APX secure hardware is an integrated MACE chip that is either on the VOCON board or the expansion board, depending on the model.
But they would still have to order AES Encryption option with the Mace Chip. What's going on is the Local FD has some Enc channels now but they don't have encryption listed as ordered on their APX4500's and APX6000's. So I'm trying to figure out if they will buy some Enc radios and have a cache for the Enc Special Events Tgs and Rescues for the Med Tgs. I was thinking they maybe just going to take the DES boards out of the Police XTS5000's but can't do that. So I guess they lose grant money , go clear on the Tgs,are buy a cache of encrypted Radios. Thanks for the help guys !!!!
AES256/DES/ADP can be added in the field....assuming they didn't specifically order them with no encryption.
romanr
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That is not correct as of March 5, 2020.
Prior to that date, the default was ADP (for free) and NO ENCRYPTION was an option that had to be specifically called out.
After March 5, NO ENCRYPTION is the default and you must specifically order any form of encryption, including ADP.
The issue is that subscriber units with NO ENCRYPTION must be physically returned to the factory to have any form of encryption added.
For this reason, I suggested that you order subscribers with Q667 (ADD: ADP NON CAP COMPLIANT) since it is a zero dollar addition and it permits you to add AES (or any other encryption algo) in the field.
Actually it's 100% correct. I specified as long as they didn't order them with no encryption.
romanr
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I'm not trying to argue whose antenna is bigger, and I did notice that qualifier, but I felt it's important to note that NO ENC is the default now and specific actions (feature inclusions) are now required whereas earlier subscribers almost universally came with encryption support.
10-4. And mines not bigger, it just does it at a higher frequency.
romanr
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I love a man with a sense of humor. Stay well and thanks for the job you guys are doing. 
What requires the trip back to the factory? Is the MACE IC not populated or the IC is just not programmed/initialized/formatted in a way that a flash upgrade+firmware refresh can change?
MTS2000des
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my guess is the MACE is there, it just doesn't get initialized. Probably a crackdown due to unauthorized third parties adding crypto algos without paying MSI.
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