Wyolink database updates and corrections

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tbiggums

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I don't live in Wyoming, but sometimes travel up there, so I'd like to get my radios properly set up for Wyolink. I've spent some time comparing the Wyolink FCC licenses to the database and W7LES's control channel list: http://forums.radioreference.com/wy...-forum/125295-wyolink-updates.html#post940832

I'm assuming the official Wyolink site map is a pretty accurate description of what sites are currently or soon-to-be on the air: http://wyolink.state.wy.us/pdf/WyoLinkSiteMap.pdf

I'd like to make the request that the sites in the database be given the same names that the official site map uses. I think this will greatly help people who aren't familiar with the area...

It appears there are many licenses for sites that won't be on the air anytime soon. The sites listed below are the ones that I think are on the air now.

I've listed all of the repeater outputs that I believe are licensed to each site. Obviously many sites have more frequencies licensed to them than are actually in use, so my "not in database" comments don't necessarily mean that frequency should be added. For example, 161.8500, 161.8250, and 161.8375 are licensed to a ton of sites, but surely they can't be used at all of them.

I'd appreciate it if others can provide some confirmation on what I've observed below. While many sites just have minor questions about which frequency is the primary and alternate control channel, there are several that are significantly wrong in the database. The sites that I feel need the most attention are: Beacon Hill, Snow King, Hogsback, Muddy Gap, Pine Ridge, 77 Hill, Chicken Creek, Warren Peak, and Mt. Pisgah.



Site 1-001: "Cheyenne (South)" in the database, but the official WyoLink site map and FCC license calls it "85 South".
WQCR772 lists:
154.0700c
154.0850
154.6950
154.8450
155.4300a
155.8575
155.9850


Site 1-002: "Cheyenne City" in the database, but I think this is called "Fox Farm" on the site map and FCC license, even though the map's dot seems a little too far east. This is an 800 MHz site.
WPTD628 lists:
851.6250
851.9875
852.2625
852.6250 (not in database)
852.7000
WQCF617 lists:
852.2625
852.7000
853.3000
853.5375
853.7500




Site 1-004: Sherman Hill. FCC license calls it "Beacon Hill", but the official WyoLink site map calls it "Sherman Hill". There is a "Sherman Hill" about 8 miles north of the Beacon Hill's FCC coordinates, but there doesn't appear to be a comm site at that location on Google Earth. It also appears that the site map's "Sherman Hill" dot is at this northern "Sherman Hill" location. So, I'm guessing the site map is wrong in this case... Finally, W7LES lists 155.070 as the primary CC and 155.190 as the alternate, while the database lists the reverse. Can anyone confirm?
WQCN994 lists:
154.1300
154.7250
154.7850
155.0700c
155.1900a
155.5875
155.8500



Site 1-005: Snow King Mtn. W7LES lists 155.535 as the primary CC on 12/04/2008, but the database lists 154.43 as the primary and 155.550 as the alternate. The FCC license shows frequencies 150.8825, 151.0025, 151.2275, 154.430, and 155.550 are used at the at the county courthouse right in Jackson--not on Snow King. The license for WQJA303 only shows 150.89, 150.95, 151.0625, 151.280, 153.4025, 153.4175, and 155.535 as being used on Snow King Mtn. The WyoLink site map doesn't show any site right in Jackson. Anyone know what the deal is? Is anyone really hearing activity on 150.8825, 151.0025, 151.2275, 154.430, and 155.550 around Jackson?
QWJA303 lists:
150.8900
150.9500
151.0625
151.2800
153.4025
153.4175
155.5350c



Site 1-007: Cheyenne Water Tank. Seems ok as listed. Can anyone confirm that this site is on the air?
WQLG401 lists:
169.6250
169.7125
169.7750
170.0750
170.3625


Site 1-008: Oyster Ridge. W7LES lists the primary CC as 153.7475 and alternate as 156.1275. The database lists 156.1275 as the primary and 153.7475 as the alternate.
WQJF492 lists:
153.7475
153.9350 (not in database)
156.1275
156.1425
WQLG400 lists:
170.8625 (not in database)



Site 1-010: North Albin. "Albin" in the database, but the site map and FCC license call it "North Albin". The database lists 155.505 as the primary CC and 154.325 as the alternate, while W7LES lists the reverse.
WQCR772 lists:
154.3250
155.3175
155.5050
155.8200
155.9550
156.1200
156.2400




Site 1-011: Sage (Junction). W7LES lists the primary CC as 150.980 and alternate as 151.4675. The database lists 152.810 as the primary and 152.660 as the alternate. The FCC license seems to call this site "Rock Creek Ridge".
WQJA236 lists (these same freqs are listed to the First Divide and Salt Pass sites, as well):
152.0300
152.0600
152.2100
152.5100
152.5400
152.5700
152.6600
152.8100
WQJF492 lists:
150.9800
151.1750
151.3775
151.4675



Site 1-013: Russell Hill. Database appears correct.
WQCR772 lists:
154.0100
154.3550
154.6725
155.4525
155.5950
155.6250
155.6700



Site 1-014: Salt Pass. The site map shows this site as 2010/2011 completion, but the database shows frequencies for it. I don't see any comm site on Google Earth near the FCC license coordinates (not sure how old that image is). Is this site really on the air now?
WQJF492 lists:
151.2575
151.2725
153.8975
154.3025
WQJA438 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG400 lists:
170.3625 (not in database)




Site 1-015: First Divide. The FCC license coordinates don't really put this site on a hilltop, so I suspect they're somewhat inaccurate. Google Earth shows there are some comm sites on a nearby hilltop at 41-16-58N, 110-46-54W. There doesn't seem to be anyone licensed on 152.7500 in Uinta County, which the database shows as the primary CC. The database also shows 152.0900 and 152.6600, which don't seem to have licenses for this site.
WQJA236 lists (same as Sage site and Hogsback Ridge?!):
152.0300
152.0600
152.2100
152.5100
152.5400
152.5700
152.6600
152.8100 (not in database)
WQJF493 lists:
154.0850c (not in database)
154.1075a (not in database)
154.1675 (not in database)
155.6625 (not in database)




Site 1-016: Whitcomb Hill. This one seems ok as listed.
WQCR772 lists:
154.7700c
154.8300a
154.9050
155.0325
155.3250
155.7000
155.9175


Site 1-019: Hogsback. Called "Hogsback Ridge" on the site map and FCC license. The database seems to point to the wrong FCC license for this one (which would make the frequencies all wrong). I think this site is really licensed under WQJF491 with frequencies 155.190, 155.3925, 155.6175, 155.7975, and 155.895. W7LES's info seems to confirm this.
WQJA236 lists (same as Sage and First Divide):
152.0300 (not in database)
152.0600 (not in database)
152.2100 (not in database)
152.5100 (not in database)
152.5400 (not in database)
152.5700 (not in database)
152.6300 (not in database)
152.6600 (not in database)
152.8100 (not in database)
WQJF491 lists:
155.1900 (not in database)
155.3925a (not in database)
155.6175c (not in database)
155.7975 (not in database)
155.8950 (not in database)
WQJA425 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-020: Church Buttes. The database shows 154.2725 as the alternate CC, while W7LES claims 151.3625.
WQJF493 lists:
151.3625
154.2725
154.9125
156.0600
156.2100
WQJA323 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)




Site 1-021: Strouss Hill. Probably ok as listed. Several licensed frequencies are not in the database, but they may not be in use yet.
WQCN994 lists:
154.0775
154.1750
154.2350
154.3550
154.6875
154.8600
155.9025 (not in database)
WQJA242 lists:
150.8900c
150.9500a
151.2800 (not in database)
153.0275 (not in database)
153.4175 (not in database)





Site 1-022: Aspen Mountain. This one is probably ok as listed.
WQJF493 lists:
150.8300c
150.9350a
151.8650
WQJA323 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-024: South Pass. W7LES lists the primary CC as 153.785 and the alternate CC as 153.89. The database lists the primary CC as 154.665 and alternate as 154.31. Can anyone confirm?
WQJA232 lists:
153.7850
153.8900
154.1750
154.3100
154.6650
WQJA320 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-025: Delaney Rim. The database shows 151.220 as the alternate CC, while W7LES lists it as 151.0475.
WQJF493 lists:
151.0475
151.1900
151.2200
151.3925
151.8350
WQJA323 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-026: Aspen Ridge. The database lists the callsign as WQJA244, but I think it should be WQJA299. W7LES lists the primary CC as 151.0175 and the secondary as 155.5425.
WQJA299 lists:
151.0175c (not in database)
154.1975 (not in database)
155.5425a (not in database)
155.8050 (not in database)
155.8125 (not in database)



Site 1-027: Narrow Hill. The FCC license coordinates don't put the site very close to the top of the hill, and the Google Earth image doesn't show any comm site or even an access road up there. I don't see any comm sites on any adjacent hilltops, either. The database lists the primary CC as 156.0675 and the alternate as 155.5575, while W7LES lists the primary as 151.0700 and alternate as 155.5575.
WQJF492 lists:
151.0700
153.8225
155.5575
156.0675
156.1575
WQLG399 lists:
169.3625 (not in database)



Site 1-028: Hell Hole a.k.a. Geneva Summit. The FCC license calls this site Geneva Summit, but the site map calls it Hell Hole. The coordinates don't really put it on a hilltop, so it's unclear where it really is. The database freqs are consistent with the license, but W7LES lists the primary CC as 152.060 and the alternate as 152.210.
WQJF492 lists:
153.9350
154.2875
154.9425
WQJA438 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-029: Jade Mountain. Possibly ok as listed. Not sure how many of these channels licensed for it are actually in use.
WQJA232 lists:
151.0850c
151.4000a
153.8450
153.9800
156.0375
WQEH662 lists:
154.0700
154.1825
154.2875
154.7775
155.1975
155.6025
155.9925
WQJA320 lists:
161.8250
161.8375
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-031: Virgin Hill. Since this site is pretty close to the Cheyenne area, I'm guessing the database pretty accurately reflects the freqeuncies currently in use.
WQJA242 lists:
151.2575c
151.2725 (not in database)
153.8975a
153.9500 (not in database)
154.3025 (not in database)
WQJA236 lists
152.0600
152.5400
152.5700
152.6300
152.6600
152.7500
WQCP584 lists:
154.3625 (not in database)
154.9125 (not in database)
155.0250 (not in database)
155.1300 (not in database)
155.3925 (not in database)
155.8275 (not in database)
155.9775 (not in database)



Site 1-032: Baggs Hill. The database lists the primary CC as 155.7225 and the alternate as 155.8575. W7LES lists the primary as 150.8975 and the alternate as 150.9425.
WQJA240 lists:
150.8975 (not in database)
150.9425 (not in database)
151.0325 (not in database)
153.1400 (not in database)
153.7625 (not in database)
WQDD940 lists:
154.0025
155.1225
155.5425
155.5575
155.6550
155.7225
155.8575
WQJA452 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-034: Divide Hill. The database lists 156.1875 as the primary CC and 156.1425 as the alternate, while W7LES lists the primary as 150.9725 and the alternate as 151.625 (which I assume should be 151.1675).
WQDD940 lists:
154.3175
154.3325
154.3475
155.6175
155.9775
156.1425
156.1875
WQJA240 lists:
150.9725 (not in database)
151.1675 (not in database)
154.2500 (not in database)
155.3250 (not in database)
WQJA452 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)
 

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Site 1-037: Nine Mile Hill. Possibly ok as listed.
WQJA236 lists:
152.0300 (not in database)
152.5100 (not in database)
152.5400 (not in database)
152.5700 (not in database)
152.6300 (not in database)
152.6600 (not in database)
152.7500 (not in database)
152.8100 (not in database)
WQJA240 lists:
151.1825c
151.2425a
153.7400 (not in database)
153.8375 (not in database)
153.9425 (not in database)
WQDD940 lists:
154.0400
154.0925
154.9875
154.9950
155.0475
155.1375
155.1825
WQJA452 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 1-038: Muddy Gap. The database lists this as site 1-038, while W7LES lists it as 1-040.
WQJA240 lists:
150.8825c
151.0025a
151.2125 (not in database)
151.4375 (not in database)
151.4600 (not in database)
WQDD940 lists:
154.0025
154.0175
154.1225
154.1375
154.1525
154.2425
155.9175
WQJA452 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)


Site 1-043: Shirley Mountain. The database calls this site "Medicine Bow", but the FCC license and site map call it "Shirley Mountain". W7LES lists the primary CC as 153.83, and alternates as 153.92 and 156.000. The database lists 153.92 as the primary, with 154.625 as the alternate.
WQJA240 lists:
153.8300
153.9200
154.6250
156.0000
156.0225 (database lists this as 156.0025)
WQDD940 lists:
154.8525 (not in database)
154.9125 (not in database)
154.9275 (not in database)
154.9425 (not in database)
155.3775 (not in database)
155.3925 (not in database)
155.4975 (not in database)
WQJA452 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)




Site 2-001: Casper POE. W7LES lists 150.7825 as the primary CC, but I can't find any license for it. Is it really used at the site?
WQJA239 lists:
150.8050
150.9725
153.9125
WQJA236 lists:
152.5700 (not in database)
152.6600 (not in database)
WQER993 lists:
154.2650 (not in database)
154.3625 (not in database)
155.6175 (not in database)
156.1725 (not in database)
WQJA455 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)




Site 2-002: Pine Ridge. The database shows 154.4000, 155.1975, 155.3550, 155.5125, 155.6775, 155.8875, and 156.1950 as being used at the site, but I can't find any license for them. Are they really used there?
WQJA242 lists:
150.9200 (not in database)
151.0550
151.2050
153.6425
156.2025
WQJA458 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-003: 77 Hill. It looks like the database shows both the "77 Hill" and "Manville" sites under this site number. The frequencies and location listed under the "Manville" site should really be the "77 Hill" ones. The official site map doesn't mention "Manville" (called "Lusk LL" and located at a WYDOT office on the FCC license) at all, so I'm guessing it's a future site. Is the "Lusk LL" site really on the air on 150.875, 151.100, 154.4225, 155.22, and 155.31?
WQJA299 lists:
153.0800 (not in database)
153.8825 (not in database)
154.7625 (not in database)
154.7775 (not in database)
155.4600 (not in database)
WQER779 lists:
154.3175 (not in database)
154.3775 (not in database)
154.6875 (not in database)
155.1825 (not in database)
155.7075 (not in database)
WQJA446 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)




Site 2-004: Morton Hill. Probably Ok as listed.
WQJA239 lists:
150.7750
150.7900
151.0925
156.1950
156.2250
WQEL307 lists:
154.1675 (not in database)
155.5275 (not in database)
155.6625 (not in database)
156.1875 (not in database)
WQJA455 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-005: Casper Mountain. The database lists 152.66 as the primary CC and 152.78 and 154.2125 as the alternates. W7LES lists the primary as 152.78 and the alternate as 154.2125 as the alternate. The only license I find for 152.78 in Wyoming is for Qwest Corporation.
QWJA236 lists:
152.5100
152.5400
152.5700
152.6300
152.6600
WQJA239 lists:
153.8150 (not in database)
154.2125
154.6875 (not in database)
155.2500 (not in database)
156.1800 (not in database)
WQER993 lists:
153.7850 (not in database)
153.8900 (not in database)
154.1900 (not in database)
154.7025 (not in database)
156.0075 (not in database)
156.1275 (not in database)
156.2025 (not in database)
WQJA455 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG400 lists:
171.5375 (not in database)



Site 2-006: Waltman Hill. W7LES lists 150.905 as the primary CC and 151.3025 as the alternate, while the database lists 151.3025 as the primary and 156.0825 as the alternate. I don't see any license for 154.2125 except for Casper Mtn.
WQJA239 lists:
150.9050(not in database)
151.3025
153.1925(not in database)
153.7550
156.0825
WQER993 lists:
153.7550 (not in database)
154.2275 (not in database)
154.3925 (not in database)
155.0100 (not in database)
155.4075 (not in database)
155.5500 (not in database)
155.6700 (not in database)
WQJA455 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-007: Copper Mountain. The database shows the primary CC as 156.1575 and the alternate as 154.65. W7LES lists the primary CC as 154.65 and the alternate as 153.8225.
WQJA232 lists:
153.8225
154.0625
154.6500
156.1575
WQEH662 lists:
154.0325 (not in database)
154.1675 (not in database)
154.3100 (not in database)
155.3775 (not in database)
155.4675 (not in database)
155.5875 (not in database)
155.8875 (not in database)
WQJA320 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG400 lists:
166.6375 (not in database)




Site 2-008: Winkleman Dome. The database lists 152.81 as the primary CC and 152.66 as the alternate, while W7LES lists 153.7925 as the primary CC and 153.9875 as the alternate.
WQJA232 lists:
153.7925 (not in database)
153.9875 (not in database)
154.1150 (not in database)
154.3175 (not in database)
154.8375 (not in database)
WQJA236 lists:
152.2100
152.5100
152.5400
152.6300
152.6600
152.8100
WQEH662 lists:
154.1150 (not in database)
154.3775 (not in database)
154.6650 (not in database)
154.9425 (not in database)
155.1375 (not in database)
155.7075 (not in database)
155.9025 (not in database)
WQJA320 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-009: Windy Ridge. The database shows 155.9925 as the primary CC and 155.6025 as the alternate, while W7LES lists the primary CC as 154.04 and the alternate as 155.1375.
WQJA232 lists:
154.0400
155.1375
155.5125
155.6025
155.9925
WQEH662 lists:
154.0025 (not in database)
154.2950 (not in database)
154.8525 (not in database)
154.9275 (not in database)
155.3925 (not in database)
155.4975 (not in database)
155.6925 (not in database)
WQJA320 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-010: Cedar Mountain. The database shows 156.2625 as the primary CC and W7LES lists 155.6925 as the primary CC.
WQJA244 lists:
155.6925
156.1650
156.2325
WQJA429 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG401 lists:
169.6250 (not in database)
169.7750 (not in database)



Site 2-011: Dead Indian. W7LES lists 153.2525 as the primary CC, while the database lists 153.4925 as the primary CC.
WQJA244 lists:
153.2525
153.4625
153.4925
WQJA429 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG400 lists:
170.8125
172.1375



Site 2-012: Torchlight Hill. The database shows 155.7225 as the primary CC, while W7LES lists 154.025 as the primary CC.
WQJA243 lists:
151.3475
154.0250
154.0475
154.3625
155.7225
WQJA434 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-013: Rattlesnake Ridge. The database shows 153.6425 as the primary CC and 150.92 as the alternate, while W7LES lists 150.92 as the primary CC and 154.0325 as the alternate.
WQJF492 lists:
150.9200
151.2050
153.6425
154.0325
156.2025
WQJA438 lists:
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-014: Banner Ridge. W7LES lists 154.585 as the primary CC and 151.625!? as the alternate. I can't find a license for either of these.
WQJA236 lists:
152.0300
152.0900
152.2100
152.5400
152.6300
152.6600
152.8100
WQJA243 lists:
150.9725 (not in database)
154.2500 (not in database)
154.9200 (not in database)
WQJA434 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-015: Tisdale Divide. I don't see a license for 150.8825, 151.0025, 151.46, 151.2275, or 156.1875 at this site.
WQJF494 lists:
151.0475
151.1900c
151.2200a
151.3925
153.9050
WQJA439 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-016: Tisdale Mountain. Probably ok as listed.
WQJA236 lists:
152.5400
152.6600
WQJF494 lists:
151.4075c
154.1225a
154.1900
156.0300
156.0525
WQJA439 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-017: Pumpkin Buttes. The FCC license coordinates don't put this site on top of the hill. Google Earth shows several comm sites on top of the buttes, so I'm guessing the site is up there (about 3000 feet south of the license coordinates). The database lists the primary CC as 151.0175 and the alternate as 154.1975. W7LES lists the primary CC as 154.0175 and alternates as 155.4975 and 151.0175.
WQJA302 lists:
151.0175
154.0175
154.1975
155.4975
WQJA441 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)
WQLG401 lists:
169.7125 (not in database)
169.7750 (not in database)
170.0750 (not in database)



Site 2-018: Lone Tree. The database shows the primary CC as 152.75 and the alternate as 152.66. W7LES lists the primary CC as 151.040 and the alternate as 151.0775.
WQJA236 lists:
152.5400
152.5700
152.6300
152.6600
152.7500
WQJA239 lists:
151.0400 (not in database)
151.0775 (not in database)
151.3100 (not in database)
154.1600 (not in database)
154.6725 (not in database)
WQEL307 lists:
155.4300 (not in database)
155.8575 (not in database)
156.2175 (not in database)
WQJA455 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-019: Rozet Hill. The database lists the primary CC as 156.2175 and the alternate as 155.415, while W7LES lists the primary CC as 153.7775 and the alternates as 154.625 and 153.92.
WQJA302 lists:
153.7775
153.9200
154.6250
155.4150
156.2175
WQJA441 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-020: Chicken Creek. I think the database may show the wrong frequencies for this one. The site license should be WQJA302. The database lists the site with this number as "Northwest Campbell", and while a site with that name does have 4 channels licensed to it, the official site map doesn't show it, so I'm guessing it isn't close to being on the air yet. W7LES lists the primary CC as 154.2425 and the alternate as 154.3775.
WQJA320 lists:
154.2425 (not in database)
154.3775 (not in database)
154.7550 (not in database)
155.1975 (not in database)
155.4225 (not in database)
 

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Site 2-021: Warren Peak. The FCC license coordinates don't seem quite right for this one. Google Earth shows there's two or three comm sites about a mile southeast of the license coordinates. The database lists the Chicken Creek frequencies of 154.2425, 154.3775, 154.4225, 154.755, and 155.1975 as being at the site, but I don't see a license for them at Warren Peak.
WQJA302 lists:
153.6575 (not in database)
WQLG401 lists:
169.6500
170.0250
170.8125
172.1375
WQJA441 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)



Site 2-022: Mt. Pisgah. I think the actual site is about 1000 feet east of the FCC license coordinates. It looks like the database lists the "Newcastle LL" site frequencies for Mt. Pisgah, which isn't correct. The official site map doesn't list the "Newcastle LL" site at all, so I'm guessing it won't be on the air anytime soon. W7LES lists the primary CC as 156.150.
WQJF494 lists:
151.9250 (not in database)
156.1500 (not in database)
WQLG401 lists:
169.9875 (not in database)
170.3875 (not in database)
171.3375 (not in database)
WQJA439 lists:
161.8250 (not in database)
161.8375 (not in database)
161.8500 (not in database)




Below are the coordinates that I think are pretty accurate. Some of these are somewhat different than the FCC license coordinates, as stated in my comments above:

41.021528,-104.785389, 101 Cheyenne/85 South
41.117333,-104.810028, 102 Cheyenne/Fox Farm 800 MHz
41.262222,-105.431111, 104 Beacon/Sherman Hill
43.461946,-110.764235, 105 Snow King Mtn
41.176639,-104.795083, 107 Cheyenne Water Tank
41.791134,-110.508263, 108 Oyster Ridge
41.476944,-104.101667, 110 North Albin
41.848833,-110.848528, 111 Sage Junction
41.257917,-104.104417, 113 Russell Hill
42.488889,-110.892806, 114 Salt Pass
41.282759,-110.781734, 115 First Divide
41.651306,-104.892806, 116 Whitcomb Hill
42.325833,-110.320278, 119 Hogsback Ridge
41.415222,-110.082639, 120 Church Buttes
41.488278,-106.050000, 121 Strouss Hill
41.426056,-109.128444, 122 Aspen Mountain
42.511528,-108.775528, 124 South Pass
41.564167,-108.283056, 125 Delaney Rim
43.056306,-110.136889, 126 Aspen Ridge
42.850861,-110.866167, 127 Narrow Hill
42.333055,-111.136694, 128 Hell Hole/Geneva Summit
42.401333,-107.958611, 129 Jade Mountain
42.043528,-104.696750, 131 Virgin Hill
41.005833,-107.621944, 132 Baggs Hill
41.548833,-107.717000, 134 Divide Hill
41.881083,-107.323111, 137 Nine Mile Hill
42.354389,-107.489778, 140 Muddy Gap
42.164389,-106.576889, 143 Shirley Mtn/Medicine Bow
42.868083,-106.356944, 201 Casper POE
42.346361,-105.036639, 202 Pine Ridge
42.844417,-104.617194, 203 77 Hill
42.910139,-105.330444, 204 Morton Hill
42.747750,-106.303083, 205 Casper Mountain
43.037194,-107.288667, 206 Waltman Hill
43.436111,-107.999444, 207 Copper Mountain
43.138306,-108.920389, 208 Winkleman Dome
43.499444,-109.688889, 209 Windy Ridge
44.497444,-109.153472, 210 Cedar Mountain
44.755000,-109.374444, 211 Dead Indian
44.382167,-107.988139, 212 Torchlight Hill
44.066667,-107.863889, 213 Rattlesnake Ridge
44.608028,-106.923583, 214 Banner Ridge
44.233583,-106.700583, 215 Tisdale Divide
43.678056,-106.586111, 216 Tisdale Mountain
43.724167,-105.883333, 217 Pumpkin Buttes
43.391917,-105.400250, 218 Lone Tree
44.338583,-105.248861, 219 Rozet Hill
44.709750,-105.759250, 220 Chicken Creek
44.475274,-104.443439, 221 Warren Peak
43.994622,-104.144140, 222 Mt. Pisgah
 

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Here's a "Draw" file for DeLorme Topo USA with all of the Wyolink sites in it. Hopefully someone finds it useful.
 

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Howdy:

Nice posting, you've done a ton of work on this. Sorry to say that some - not all - may have been wasted. In an earlier post, I mentioned that it is not possible to look at the FCC database and discern what channels are in use where. Simple reason, really ... what you are seeing in the FCC database is in essence a "double-licensing" of about half of the sites in the entire WyoLink system. The licensing was done in 2 separate stages by 2 separate entities. The first effort from Spring 2004 to Fall 2005 did about 1/2 of the state. The second effort, started in Fall 2005, discarded almost all of the work done in the first effort, but left all of the first effort licenses in place.

Take for example the Casper Mountain site. If you are familiar with the geography of the area, you know that Casper Mountain is a tremendous radio site for the central part of the state. When WyoLink got going and the decision was made to build it on VHF, there was no end of nay-sayers asserting that there would never be enough channels for the system to work, given the 90+% of the public-safety activity in the state on VHF. Now consider that the Casper Mountain site presently has some 17 VHF pairs licensed for the WyoLink site, of which only 5 are in service. Shortage of channels, indeed.

Consider another example: Laramie Peak, even a better radio site than Casper Mountain. Problem is, no AC power up there any more. So, we'll do a solar & battery low-power VHF repeater up there, linked to a WyoLink talkgroup. Interestingly enough, a clear, high-power VHF repeater pair was able to be licensed for the top of Laramie Peak. It would only take about 3 stragetically placed Laramie Peaks - if we had 'em - to cover the whole 97,000 square miles of the state of Wyoming.

Obviously, with half of the system "double licensed", there's a ton of frequencies licensed to WyoLink that are not now, and never will be, used on the system. FCC licenses have a condition called BuildOut Notification that require the system operator to affirm the channels in operation at each of the site locations. The normal requirement is to file BuildOut - confirmation of construction completion and system on the air - within 12 months of license grant. The Slow Growth license provisions for extensive systems like WyoLink allow 60 months for BuildOut.

What you would therefore expect to see, 60 months after the initial Slow Growth license grants, is either a BuildOut Notification filing with the FCC affirming construction, or a cancellation of unused licenses & frequencies. In fact, the "scrub" of WyoLink licenses - checking actual site frequencies against licenses coming up on Slow Growth deadline - recently got underway and will be going on for some time. I would guesstimate that sometime around mid-2011 the process will have progressed far enough to be able to reasonably infer from FCC licenses what channels are in use where.

Even then, you want to keep in mind that an APCO P25 digital trunked system can remotely command a trunking site to switch to and use any of the first 4 site channels as the site control channel. Normally, a site has a primary and a secondary control channel - usually channels 1 & 2 - and may or may not alternate between the two on a fixed schedule.

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Thanks for your input, Larry! I appreciate the accurate info.

Any chance you might be able to confirm my suspicions that the RR database is significantly messed up with the following sites: Beacon/Sherman Hill, Snow King, Hogsback, Muddy Gap, Pine Ridge, 77 Hill, Chicken Creek, Warren Peak, and Mt. Pisgah. In many cases, it's not just the frequencies, but the actual location of the site that's in question. My notes in my posts above give a brief summary of what I think is wrong. Any comments you could provide on these sites would really be useful.

I would have submitted these changes myself, but since I don't live in Wyoming and can't hear any of these sites to verify, I'd hate to mess something up that might be right...
 
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