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XG-100M Wide Band Needed
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That is literally not true. Yes, the feature system has been broken and I've seen radios whose feature data does not match Harris TAC records. And yet the ESN does match so it's not an ESN swap.
Now, finding who can provide "off the books" features can be a challenge....I have no such connection myself.
Now, finding who can provide "off the books" features can be a challenge....I have no such connection myself.
Their database records on radios have been incorrect before. One of my XG-100P's didn't match their last database record of the feature string. I had to send a picture of the details number and feature data screen and the database was updated/corrected.
I also had a feature string,that TAC generated for a P7200, was missing a feature that was originally enabled in the previous string and they had to generate a new feature string to correct the mistake.
Other's have had the same experience.
How many radios did you personally deal with that had a mismatched feature string against what TAC last had in their database records.
Going from database descrepencies to "the FEC has been hacked" is a BIG leap.
I also had a feature string,that TAC generated for a P7200, was missing a feature that was originally enabled in the previous string and they had to generate a new feature string to correct the mistake.
Other's have had the same experience.
How many radios did you personally deal with that had a mismatched feature string against what TAC last had in their database records.
Going from database descrepencies to "the FEC has been hacked" is a BIG leap.
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We had radios come DIRECTLY from Harris and when we went to go get new feature strings, TAC argued with us that the feature string was not correct. Round and round until they finally admitted their records were not correct.
We also have shown them the radios with 33 and 47 but no 39 and they argued that we were doing something wrong and there is no way that could have happened. We sent two radios off and they finally admitted they screwed up.
I do not believe anything TAC says regarding their feature strings anymore.
i could use one of those inbox drops....
TrunkLatcher
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There are no hacks for FEC. There is a few explanations for discrepencies with the TAC database
1.) Very specific demo or "customer care" situations, where things are added to resolve certain customer issues. Again, insider doing it but almost always sanctioned by L3H.
2.) Board replacements done by someone other than L3Harris. Authorized service centers, 3rd parties, etc
3.) Human error, if TAC database was offline when FEC was created
4.) #1, an insider even if you don't know they are. Again, no hacks
99.999% of the time, if TAC doesn't have featureset in DB, it means it was not purhased. How you got it does not matter at that point. You didn't pay. So if you want it, time to pay up
L3H pricing is more than fair
TDMA and single key encryption are dirt cheap or even free.
1.) Very specific demo or "customer care" situations, where things are added to resolve certain customer issues. Again, insider doing it but almost always sanctioned by L3H.
2.) Board replacements done by someone other than L3Harris. Authorized service centers, 3rd parties, etc
3.) Human error, if TAC database was offline when FEC was created
4.) #1, an insider even if you don't know they are. Again, no hacks
99.999% of the time, if TAC doesn't have featureset in DB, it means it was not purhased. How you got it does not matter at that point. You didn't pay. So if you want it, time to pay up
L3H pricing is more than fair
TDMA and single key encryption are dirt cheap or even free.
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I'm not sure I'd call those prices all fair. Starting with a base XG-75P it's going to cost 1100 dollars for EDACS, 1100 more for P25 trunking, 250 more for Phase II, 495 for OTAR, and 495 for multikey DES, and another 695 for multi key DES. That's a nice pile of money for features that are pretty close to a standard package today.
It's possible to configure a number of Harris past the 10,000 dollar mark.
I have personally had the TAC screw up and send me option 47 for a radio that didn't have option 39 in it. Which is a waste of 250 dollars and does nothing. I'm kind of surprised they don't have checks and balances to ensure that doesn't happen.
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It's possible to configure a number of Harris past the 10,000 dollar mark.
I have personally had the TAC screw up and send me option 47 for a radio that didn't have option 39 in it. Which is a waste of 250 dollars and does nothing. I'm kind of surprised they don't have checks and balances to ensure that doesn't happen.
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prcguy
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What might an XG-100P with every conceivable option cost new? Here is a list of options I would be curious about:
01
02
03
04
05
06
07
08
09
10
11
12
13
14
15
P25 DATA
17
19
21
OTAP
23
29
31
P25 CONVENTIONAL
34
OTAR
36
ENCRYPTION
38
TRUNKING
40
VHF
UHF
7-800
DES-CFB
VOTESCAN
PHASE II
GPS
BLUETOOTH
51
54
55
56
57
P25 EDATA
P25 InBand GPS
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
Whew.
QUOTE="ElroyJetson, post: 3739649, member: 1380"]
I'm not sure I'd call those prices all fair. Starting with a base XG-75P it's going to cost 1100 dollars for EDACS, 1100 more for P25 trunking, 250 more for Phase II, 495 for OTAR, and 495 for multikey DES, and another 695 for multi key DES. That's a nice pile of money for features that are pretty close to a standard package today.
It's possible to configure a number of Harris past the 10,000 dollar mark.
I have personally had the TAC screw up and send me option 47 for a radio that didn't have option 39 in it. Which is a waste of 250 dollars and does nothing. I'm kind of surprised they don't have checks and balances to ensure that doesn't happen.
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01
02
03
04
05
06
07
08
09
10
11
12
13
14
15
P25 DATA
17
19
21
OTAP
23
29
31
P25 CONVENTIONAL
34
OTAR
36
ENCRYPTION
38
TRUNKING
40
VHF
UHF
7-800
DES-CFB
VOTESCAN
PHASE II
GPS
BLUETOOTH
51
54
55
56
57
P25 EDATA
P25 InBand GPS
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
Whew.
QUOTE="ElroyJetson, post: 3739649, member: 1380"]
I'm not sure I'd call those prices all fair. Starting with a base XG-75P it's going to cost 1100 dollars for EDACS, 1100 more for P25 trunking, 250 more for Phase II, 495 for OTAR, and 495 for multikey DES, and another 695 for multi key DES. That's a nice pile of money for features that are pretty close to a standard package today.
It's possible to configure a number of Harris past the 10,000 dollar mark.
I have personally had the TAC screw up and send me option 47 for a radio that didn't have option 39 in it. Which is a waste of 250 dollars and does nothing. I'm kind of surprised they don't have checks and balances to ensure that doesn't happen.
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Not all features are possible in that radio.
The full list in the current catalog is:
It is fair to assume that a lot of very common options come as standard.
Many of the options above no. 40 are unassigned at this time. 63 and above have no assigned feature yet.
The full list in the current catalog is:
Unity XG-100P Portable | ||
Option # | Description | Price (US) |
YRPL4C | P25 AES 256-B ECP&DES-OFB (Unity) | $695.00 |
YRPL4E | Conventional Vote Scan (Unity P/M, P/M7300, XG-75, P5500, P5400, M5300, XG-25P/M, XG-15P) | $240.00 |
YRPL5L1 | Project 25 Over-The-Air ReKeying (P25 OTAR) (Unity) | $595.00 |
YRPL4J | VHF Band,136-174 MHz (Unity) | $500.00 |
YRPL4K | UHF Band,380-520 MHz (Unity) | $500.00 |
YRPL4L | 700/800 Band,762-870 MHz (Unity) | $500.00 |
YRPL4M | GPS | $200.00 |
YRPL4N | Bluetooth (Unity, XG-25M/P) | $100.00 |
YRPL4G | P25 Data (Unity) | $330.00 |
YRPL4F | Phase II TDMA (M7300, M5300, P7300, P5500, Unity Mobile, Unity Portable, XG-25P/M, XG-75P) | $250.00 |
YRPL5K6,8 | ProFile (OTAP or Over-the-Air Programming) (Unity, P7300, P7200, P5400, P5500, P5300, M7300, M5300, M7200, XG-75P, XG-25P, XG-15P, XG-25M) | $265.00 |
YR-LLA-1 | TAC Feature,Link Layer Auth (Unity P) | $100.00 |
YRPLCA3 | Project 25 Conventional Unencrypted (P25 CAI) (P7100, P7200, P5100, P5400, P5500, Unity XG-100P, XG-25P, XG-75P, M7100, M7200, M7300, Unity XG-100M, XG-25M) | $515.00 |
YR-P25T-1 | TAC Feature,P25 Trunking (Unity) | $1,500.00 |
It is fair to assume that a lot of very common options come as standard.
Many of the options above no. 40 are unassigned at this time. 63 and above have no assigned feature yet.
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prcguy
Member
All the options I listed above came from what a radio displayed, so they are supposedly all installed. Just curious what that would cost new.
BMDaug
I am licensed…
That radio is an evaluation model. Every feature was not purchased in the traditional fashion. MANY of those features are useless on the 100P and any feature past 60 isn’t available for the 100P at all. The feature string in that radio is just a standard evaluation package. The price for that evaluation radio is not the same as buying a feature package for deployment.
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I have a xg100m where I need to get UHF and P2 and that is $750 for those 2 functions. That is a lot of $$$ for just 2 items plus looking for a good used color control head as well. I am thinking I need the P2 more then I need the UHF at the moment but it is a PIA tho not to have it plus without having UHF in my radio then I do not need to worry about the wideband disabled but it would be a good thing to have after i get UHF.
prcguy
Member
So how much would a radio cost new with all the real useable features I listed? When you say its not the same, all the features up to 60 are real and function just fine.
QUOTE="BMDaug, post: 3739714, member: 1618296"]
That radio is an evaluation model. Every feature was not purchased in the traditional fashion. MANY of those features are useless on the 100P and any feature past 60 isn’t available for the 100P at all. The feature string in that radio is just a standard evaluation package. The price for that evaluation radio is not the same as buying a feature package for deployment.
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QUOTE="BMDaug, post: 3739714, member: 1618296"]
That radio is an evaluation model. Every feature was not purchased in the traditional fashion. MANY of those features are useless on the 100P and any feature past 60 isn’t available for the 100P at all. The feature string in that radio is just a standard evaluation package. The price for that evaluation radio is not the same as buying a feature package for deployment.
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BMDaug
I am licensed…
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Except many of the features 1-60 don’t work on a 100P… some of those are for specific radios like 19 “M-RK Second Bank”. Then there are redundant features like 40 “700MHz only”. That feature would never be sold along side 44 “700/800”. Then you have entire sets of features that the radio doesn’t support. You say 1-60 work great, so program up an EDACS system(2,4,5), or an OpenSky system. Oh wait, the 100P supports neither of those modes. Or set up an analog conventional set using ProVoice. Can’t do that either. Then you have features like 23 “Narrowband”. That doesn’t apply to your radio either. Neither does 3 “Public Address”, or 13/15 which both enable encryption methods not supported by the 100P. To say “features 1-60 work great” is incorrect. Sure, they exist as features in your string, but they aren’t usable.
Your radio is not featured for any particular use case. It’s a demonstration model with every feature enabled, whether it applies to your radio or not. There is no way to price out a radio like yours as jibe are actually sold this way. It’s like getting a demo XL200P. You pay a base price for the most basic hardware and the evaluation feature string is enabled so you can test the radio to see if it meets your needs.
So whatever the base price for an XG100P was is what you could expect to pay for the hardware and then your dealer would add an evaluation string for testing. This was probably free to the customer since a multimillion dollar contract likely depended upon the success of the demonstration. You should run down a feature list and remove any features that don’t apply to your model. I think it would be insightful for you!
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prcguy
Member
Its still got everything offered that is doable on an XG-100P like all bands, trunking, P25, PII, P25 OTAR, GPS, Bluetooth, encryption and so on. Many of the units for sale on fleabay and other outlets are missing something that everyone wants like PII or trunking or encryption, etc. All the legitimate options appear to be $6,290 on top of whatever a base model would cost.
"Demonstration model" a.k.a. Factory Mode.
Those were never sold as new. They were essentially evaluation floor models and sold for significantly less than a new production unit with even half the XG-100P features purchased at the time.And that's off list pricing not list pricing.
This term has been tossed around a little lately. It is supposedly a mode you put the radio into, where you could then turn on features before putting the radio back into normal mode.
prcguy
Member
The radio with all the features shown has them all permanently installed. For some reason people are hinting the radio is worth less than one with similar features that were ordered like I should dump it for $500. Personally, I think it is the most valuable of the XP-100Gs.
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