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I'm sorry, but I am hard pressed to remember a single instance where a radio affiliated that was unauthorized and it led to imprisonment or even criminal charges. The idiots keying up and talking on the radio? That's another story. But please list the news articles where a radio affiliation (and only a radio affiliation) led to charges. You can't all be liars, but you CAN all be fed the same Kool Aid from Mother M. Those reps talk mad **** and system admins eat it up like candy. It does NOT make it true. Remember, the one feeding you info is the one selling you the system. Please stop telling people they will go to jail over this. They won't. I mean, come on, the FCC isn't even enforcing anything anymore. When's the last time you got an enforcement agent on the phone? What a joke that process is. The sky isn't falling. The radio gets inhibited, end of story.

Not the end of the story. We did not drink the kool-aid; you don't see it from our end and apparently don't particularly care, but those of us who do this for a living know the harm it can do.

A radio affiliating using an ID that's in use by someone else can wreak havoc by screwing up the affiliation process; the normal user is turned on and affiliates, no problem. The illegal radio turns on and affiliates, and the system thinks the legitimate radio has changed channels; all of a sudden the legitimate radio is hearing and/or talking to stuff it shouldn't be. I've seen it happen, including a couple of times to firefighters in the middle of a working fire. Both times it was a simple ID programming error somewhere in the system footprint that caused the problem, but the result is the same.

The potential risk to the safety of public safety personnel makes this reprehensible behavior; do you want to be the one who causes a firefighter to be injured or die in a fire because your illegal radio screwed things up? Hope you can live with yourself.
 

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Lmao well thanks for providing me with any evidence to backup your claim that affiliation has led to charges. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. Meanwhile I'll be over here maintaining over 50 NAS radios on my city's system completely undetected (you know, cuz they don't affiliate and all). And by all means, I invite that system admin and the FCC to test the theory on any one of my radios. And just so you know, not everyone uses them to look like po-po. If you were in my area and dealt with the complete lack of performance with scanners, you would understand. But you're not. You didn't spend the hours I did doing research, testing and experimentation only to realize the scanners JUST DON'T WORK HERE. But like I said, keep screaming that the sky is falling lmao
 

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Guys, guys... I KNOW what a radio that affiliates can do, and I understand the implications if it does. Here's what you're not understanding. Mine don't affiliate. At all. Not once. None. It's possible, you know. I've proven it.
 

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Lmao well thanks for providing me with any evidence to backup your claim that affiliation has led to charges.

You want proof? The cloned radios just scratches the surface of the naughty radio crap these dudes were up to.



Guys, guys... I KNOW what a radio that affiliates can do, and I understand the implications if it does. Here's what you're not understanding. Mine don't affiliate. At all. Not once. None. It's possible, you know. I've proven it.

Until that one time. . .

You obviously don't get it and don't give a damn. I'm done with you.
 

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That first article cites that the offenders used the radios on encrypted channels... That means they TALKED on the system. That's not merely affiliating.

And that second article is just laughable. Hacking?! Jesus, this isn't War Games, guys. Any decent lawyer will get that thrown out. In fact, neither article mentions any convictions.

But hey, OP, send me a PM. I'll get you back up and running for a small fee ☺️
 

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It's falling on deaf ears. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Getting popped for playing with trunking radios is stupid. As stated, an SDS200 is a fine radio (yes, I own one) and no one ever will run afoul with system admins or anyone for programming or lawfully monitoring with one.

Forewarned is fair warned.
 

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Until that one time. . .

You obviously don't get it and don't give a damn. I'm done with you.
Yup. He doesn't. One can get away with something many, many times. It only takes one time to get popped, and then it's over. Remember he said "the FCC doesn't care"...looks like they did when ol Cameron got popped for playing with his unauthorized trunking radio.
 

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Yup. He doesn't. One can get away with something many, many times. It only takes one time to get popped, and then it's over. Remember he said "the FCC doesn't care"...looks like they did when ol Cameron got popped for playing with his unauthorized trunking radio.
Some folks like it rough. SMH

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Except I am doing nothing wrong. No cloned IDs, no affiliations. No transmissions. So how am I going to "get popped"?
 

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The agency knows I have radios passively monitoring thier system. And anyone with a little knowledge of Google can obtain the system keys needed for any radio system...
 

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LOL. Seriously. That’s the easiest part of the process. But I won’t go into details.

Yes, Gary, I'm aware of how easy it is. I didn't fall off the turnip truck lastnight. LOL That was my point. Knowing an admin isn't going to freely hand out the key, you have to resort to nefarious methods of retrieving one.
 

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In the end the radio does the same exact thing a scanner does (listens to the control channel without affiliating), so as I said before, as long as the codeplug is setup PROPERLY, what's the difference? Besides better reception, louder speaker, better LSM performance, better battery life, more ruggedness, etc etc... Oh, and not to mention you can buy a used XTL off the internet for under $100 versus the Unication and Uniden products being over $700...

But hey, you do you, I'll do me. As a member of emergency services, I will sleep just fine at night knowing MY radios aren't doing anyone any harm ☺️
 

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FWIW, I have no problem getting the FCC EB on the phone. I am on first name basis with the SE director of enforcement. Got to attend an RFIM class with him. So don't be stupid and give dumb advice.
Since you bring that up, a few of my local ham repeaters are being jammed. Can you help lol? (Just a joke please don't take that the wrong way)

Guys,
This topic has been discussed, disputed, and beaten like a dead horse.
OP's radio is dead. Radio is "crooked". No there isn't anything he can do about it.
IMHO we should just get back to replys related to OP's question otherwise this thread is gonna get shut down.
 

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Since you bring that up, a few of my local ham repeaters are being jammed. Can you help lol? (Just a joke please don't take that the wrong way)

Guys,
This topic has been discussed, disputed, and beaten like a dead horse.
OP's radio is dead. Radio is "crooked". No there isn't anything he can do about it.
IMHO we should just get back to replys related to OP's question otherwise this thread is gonna get shut down.

Pretty sure the OP left like late freight after his second comment. But I agree. This topic and discussion is cyclical. There will be another post just like it in a few days and the arguments for and against it will continue again. Perhaps with different people but the result will be the same.

I make a motion to close discussions in this thread. Do I have a second?
 

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Actually, his radio is NOT cooked and there IS something that can be done about it. Just not by someone inexperienced, which is what I initially told him. If he is interested, I can help him get back on track. Ad I stated a few posts ago, if he is still monitoring the thread, if he sends me a PM I can talk it over with him.
 

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Did I say "he"? Nope, I said "can be done". I didn't imply by who specifically. But, I really don't care if y'all close the thread. If he PMs me fine, if not, he can continue to admire is pretty paperweight. *Shrugs*
 
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