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pathalogical

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Searching TAFL using 'lbpia' it shows some freqs that indicate fire hall, field/snow and couple of others in the range of 459-467 mHz. I've entered them but haven't heard anything related to what they describe. I know the fire dept is on the Peel system but I'm interested in the snow removal ops. Are these freqs active, low power or no longer used. Or do they use something in the 118-138 range ?

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Searching TAFL using 'lbpia' it shows some freqs that indicate fire hall, field/snow and couple of others in the range of 459-467 mHz. I've entered them but haven't heard anything related to what they describe. I know the fire dept is on the Peel system but I'm interested in the snow removal ops. Are these freqs active, low power or no longer used. Or do they use something in the 118-138 range ?

TIA
I have found most airport snow removal guys use the ground frequency at the airport. It should show up as belonging to Nav Canada in TAFL.

Did you try the three Ground freqs here:

Toronto Pearson Airport Frequencies
 

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They'll use the YYZ Ground frequencies to coordinate movement of the plows as they require the ground controller's approval to move onto different sections of the apron, taxiways and runways.

Anyone operating a vehicle airside is required to pass an AVOP (Airside Vehicle Operator's Permit) test (Greater Toronto Airports Authority - AVOP Program)

Incursions are deemed one of the biggest safety risks by Transport Canada. Those responsible (eg. not complying with instructions or keeping themselves safe) can be forced to rewrite the test, suspended, fined and even fired.


Below are some incident reports. Anywhere from a wildlife mgmt, cargo vehicle, firetruck, and lastly, snow plows!!



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CADORS Number: 2008O2461 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2008/10/21
Occurrence Time: 1205 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYYZ Aerodrome Name: Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl
Occurrence Location: Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl (CYYZ) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 100943-V2
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event Information
Communication navigation surveillance/air traffic
Incursion - vehicle
Aircraft Information

Detail Information
User Name: Boles, Will
Date: 2008/10/21
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: Birdman695 was instructed, and readback correctly, to hold short of the active 33L on 05. Ground observed Birdman695 on the wrong side of 33L about 3 minutes later. GTAA and Peel Police advised.


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CADORS Number: 2008C4304 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2008/12/09
Occurrence Time: 2038 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYWG Aerodrome Name: Winnipeg Intl
Occurrence Location: Winnipeg Intl (CYWG) Province: Manitoba
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 102491-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event Information
Conflict - potential
Incursion - vehicle
Overshoot/missed approach
Aircraft Information
Flight #: KEE 202
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: BEECH Model: 200
Year Built: Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Approach Damage: No Damage
Owner: KEYSTONE AIR SERVICE LTD Operator: KEYSTONE AIR SERVICE LTD. (2779)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail Information
User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/12/10
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: TR 83 + 2, a group of 3 Winnipeg airport trucks, were observed crossing the hold short line for Runway 31 without clearance while KEE 202, a Keystone Air King Air was cleared to land when 1/2 NM final for that runway. KEE 202 was instructed by Tower to overshoot the runway and return to Terminal Control. KEE 202 landed on Runway 36 about 10 minutes later at 2049z. No other aircraft were inconvenienced. A preliminary investigation by Nav Canada determined this occurrence did not involve ATC.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/12/11
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE Aerodrome Safety reported that the driver of TR 83 suffered from what the aviation industry euphemistically refer to as a momentary brain cramp. The operator's AVOP was revoked for 48 hours and requires a re-write of the written exam as well as a practical driver's test before his airside privileges are reinstated. The crew of a 200 series Beechcraft did a go around because of this event and then landed on runway 36.


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CADORS Number: 2008C2515 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2008/07/21
Occurrence Time: 0226 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYEG Aerodrome Name: Edmonton Intl
Occurrence Location: Edmonton Intl (CYEG) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 96776-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event Information
Incursion - vehicle
Aircraft Information

Detail Information
User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/07/21
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: The driver of Red 3, an Edmonton International Airport firetruck, was instructed to hold short of Runway 02 but then was observed driving onto the runway. No aircraft were involved.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/07/25
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE Aerodrome Safety reported that the driver of Red # 3, a fire hall four wheel drive vehicle, was asked by ATC go airside and look for FOD (possible bird strike) The driver either missed the clearance or was pre-occupied and drove onto runway 020 without authorization. The driver is a 35 plus year employee at the Calgary airport and failed to report the occurrence to his supervisor. Airside operations manager suspended the driver for 5 days, revoked his AVOP and will review all airside protocols with the driver before reinstatement is granted. One Franklin's gull was recovered and removed outside of the runway edge lights. This event had no operational impact

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CADORS Number: 2007P0091 Reporting Region: Pacific

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2007/01/17
Occurrence Time: 2258 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYVR Aerodrome Name: Vancouver Intl
Occurrence Location: Vancouver Intl (CYVR) Province: British Columbia
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 76471-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event Information
Incursion - vehicle
Aircraft Information

Detail Information
User Name: Samson, Donna
Date: 2007/01/17
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: A truck operated by CARGOJET proceeding from the Vancouver North Apron crossed the threshold of Runway 26R to the UPS ramp without authorization. The vehicle did not contact the tower. Runway 08 was the active runway at the time and there was no operational impact.

User Name: Samson, Donna
Date: 2007/01/29
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: UPDATE from Aerodrome Safety: This incident is being investigated by three different agencies. Airside driving privileges for the individual and company have been revoked. Changes to the AVOP program are anticipated. Transport Canada will receive a full written report on Feb 8, 2007.

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CADORS Number: 2007C3450 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2007/12/13
Occurrence Time: 2005 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYWG Aerodrome Name: Winnipeg Intl
Occurrence Location: Winnipeg Intl (CYWG) Province: Manitoba
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 88468-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event Information
Conflict - potential
Incursion - vehicle
Overshoot/missed approach
Aircraft Information
Flight #: PAG 208
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: SWEARINGEN Model: SA226TC
Year Built: 1978 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: GARRETT Engine Model: TPE331-10UA
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Approach Damage: No Damage
Owner: PERIMETER AVIATION LTD. Operator: PERIMETER AVIATION LTD. (1861)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail Information
User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2007/12/14
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aerodrome Safety
Narrative: The driver of TR 81 + 5, a convoy of snow removal vehicles, reported off Runway 31 at Winnipeg, but shortly after, TR 81 + 5 re-entered Runway 31 at Runway 36 without authorization. PAG 208, a Metro II, was on final for Runway 31 at the time and had been cleared to land. The crew of PAG 208 was given missed approach instructions, made a VFR circuit and then landed on Runway 31 at 2011z.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2007/12/27
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE Aerodrome Safety reported that the Vice President of Airside Operations for Winnipeg Intl. advised that the driver of TR 81 has had his AVOP revoked and was suspended for three days without pay for his involvement in the runway incursion at the junction of Runways 31/36. Besides PAG208 a Perimeter Airlines Swearingin SA 226 there were no other air traffic interruptions.
 
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iDEN handhelds are used to communicate between operator crews and between the AOCC ( Airport Operations Control Center), and not for communication with the tower.

The plows have a radio mounted inside each plow for communication with the towers, then the seperate iDEN handheld for each of the operators.

Hope this helps.


Edit, thanks Andrew I thought something looked weird!
 
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polkaroo,

Thanks for the info...and at 3:00am too !!! The GTAA link refreshed my poor memory that I had downloaded (in May 2008) the AVOP Directives and flipping through it there is an Airport Frequencies list on page 89. I'll give those a try, other than the usual ones for tower and ground.

tonsoffun,

Thanks for your info too. I guess I-DEN means I-CAN'T scan 'em...lol...
 

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It depends on where at the airport we're talking.

Taxi-ways, Runways, High-Speed exits are all done by GTAA's own Airfield Maintenance people using (mostly) Vammas equipment. Areas such as the Apron, East & West Satellite, Hammerhead F, IFT, service roads and the like are contracted out to Dufferin Construction.

Anyone in a maneuvering area requires a DA license (basically a driver's license to go on the Apron and in the maneuvering areas) which involves passing the AVOP. The Dufferin guys however, are driving around without AVOP or a DA. They are allowed to do this under the eye of an Airside Escort.

They get temporary permits that look like these:

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v647/13/97/530305563/n530305563_5807084_3347.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v647/13/97/530305563/n530305563_5806424_3878.jpg
(these are from when I was out a few days ago)

The more permanent employees have a RAP (Restricted Airside Pass).

As for comms... They'll use whatever Ground frequency for the area (North, Center or South). The Dufferin guys all use iDEN (not the 900MHz Harmony system, but the regular Telus one).

The AMF crews use the 900MHz Harmony iDEN stuff for their own internal comms and to speak to AOCC, but use AM for the tower.
 
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