Zone 3 Mto

[SCPD]

Zone 3 MTO

Hello there. This is Coolguy.

I see you Howard are talking about the MTO Maintenance Road Guys being in Digital in Sudbury where u live. Are you sure that they are Digital. Because I am pretty sure they are Analog.

Because here in Chapleau. The MTO Maintenance Guys are in Analog. What ever Voice Channel that is free here in Chapleau and that they are using when the Sault or the Guy on patrol is talking. I will use my PRO 2045, which as you know is just a normal scanner. Not Digital. When listen to that active Voice Channel. I can here them on there just fine. Also just to let you and everyone else know to. That it's not just the Main Head Guys who do the patrolling on the roads who have the new radios in their trucks. Even the Plows here in Chapleau that they use every winter. Now has the new radio's in them to. So all the MTO Maintenance Crews are on the New System and in Analog Mode.

Also for here in Chapleau. The only people that are in Digital Mode is the OPP and the MNR.

The MOH (Ambulance) is still on there regular VHF Freq's here in Chapleau as well as in Wawa.

That's the only updates I have for now.

Thanks.

Coolguy.

 

[williams63]

They **WERE** Analog......recently all went Digital.

 

[SCPD]

Zone 3 MTO

Howard you are saying that they were "ANALOG" in Sudbury but are now Digital.

But for here in Chapleau. They are in Analog. I don't think they will be switching over to Digital. But if they do it probably won't be for a long time. Because they just installed these new radios into a few of the PLOW TRUCKS that they have right now. So that is why I don't think they will be going Digital. But hey things could change.

Coolguy.

 

[exkalibur]

They **WERE** Analog......recently all went Digital.

You've got your wires crossed bud, sorry to say.

A radio cannot just "switch" to digital without reprogramming.

If the MTO were analog, they're still analog. Why? Well, Zone 3 is so new, there is no reason why BMR wouldn't have just made them digital from the onset, if that was their intention.

Can you post a recording or something of a Zone 3 Digital MTO AMC conversation for us to hear? I HIGHLY suspect you're actually hearing OPP or something else digital.

 

[williams63]

Id be glad to stream via Shoutcast !

Ill get ready...and post the URL

You've got your wires crossed bud, sorry to say.

A radio cannot just "switch" to digital without reprogramming.

If the MTO were analog, they're still analog. Why? Well, Zone 3 is so new, there is no reason why BMR wouldn't have just made them digital from the onset, if that was their intention.

Can you post a recording or something of a Zone 3 Digital MTO AMC conversation for us to hear? I HIGHLY suspect you're actually hearing OPP or something else digital.

 

[williams63]

Live ZONE 3 STREAM

I hope Ive got everything working ok...

http://63.135.0.59:8000/listen.pls

Current time is : 5:18 AM

Very quite right now , 6 - 7 am it gets busy with new shift.

Scanning Bank 1 = Sudbury Site 11

 

[williams63]

Msn

If the levels are bad...I might be around MSN...so pls let me know.

Just add me : zeeee63@hotmail.com

Thx

 

[exkalibur]

I can't check the stream at work unfortunatly. If you're able to record part of a conversation, you can email it to me miszak@gmail.com or, at least...when the crews log on, what do they say? Around here, the dispatcher's are "Operations" as in "Burlington Operations" or "Toronto Operations". If they mention "Comm Center", it's probably OPP or MTO Enforcement.

 

[williams63]

Ill see what I can record for you...MTO here , dont use those like zone 1 or 2.

It seems rather informal...

OPP comm center never says anything to them...they also are not big users of the system , MNR right now uses the system alot.

Ill record MNR for you ...and OPP fer now..if I can grab MTO I will

I can't check the stream at work unfortunatly. If you're able to record part of a conversation, you can email it to me miszak@gmail.com or, at least...when the crews log on, what do they say? Around here, the dispatcher's are "Operations" as in "Burlington Operations" or "Toronto Operations". If they mention "Comm Center", it's probably OPP or MTO Enforcement.

 

[exkalibur]

Well, I'm not doubting that MNR and OPP are Digital - they are everywhere else on Fleetnet. It's the MTO Road Crews that you say are Digital that I'm just not so sure is fact. As others have suggested, I suspect you're getting the talkgroups mixed up.

 

[williams63]

The scanner was online for many hrs in full digital...however this seems not good enuff , so you best log your own TG's for Site 11 and new Voice Channels.

Thx again

Well, I'm not doubting that MNR and OPP are Digital - they are everywhere else on Fleetnet. It's the MTO Road Crews that you say are Digital that I'm just not so sure is fact. As others have suggested, I suspect you're getting the talkgroups mixed up.

 

[EJB]

Williams63:
There are very few 'northeners' on here.
Who is to say you are wrong?
Sometimes the 296 acts 'weird.' Sometimes if your Icall is set on t/g's you know are not Icalls appear on the screen.
This did not happen with my old 246 but did with my 245.
Internference, front end loading(???), I know nothing of that but I do know that in the 'south'
the MTO have digital talkgroups (3800-4000+) and analog 38000 area.
Who is to say that the MTO snowplows are not digital.
You and coolguy are pretty much our source.
Please do not get discouraged. When everything is said and done it will be you who is submitting info for the rest of us.
Noone here is 'dissing you.'
Please continue to submit live and learn and thank you for your efforts, I might just venture up to the north on day.
Eric

 

[mikewazowski]

It's possible that MTO Maintenance (not Enforcement) and MOH are digital (or going digital) but it would be a first.

What confuses me is that you say the OPP Comm Centre never talks to them. Who is them? The OPP Comm Centre will talk with MNR, MTO Enforcement and the OPP but in Zones 1 and 2, the MTO Maintenance guys talk with their own Comm Centre.

Are you saying the OPP Comm Centre dispatches the MTO Maintenance crews in Northern Ontario?

When I was up in the summer (listening to Site 11), I heard North Bay dispatch talking with an MTO Maintenance supervisor in analog. It was clearly not the OPP Comm Centre but the MTO Comm Centre.

What talkgroups are you hearing the MTO plows (in digital) on?

As far as my other comment about Spectrum Communications, I don't know how you would tell a Spectrum Communications employee from a BMR employee over the radio?

I know Point 2 Point out of Barrie did some of the console work at the OPP Comm Centre and I overheard the BMR techs on tg 16 (digital) on Site 11 while I was up there. Keep in mind that this is BMR's system and Spectrum is only a subcontractor. In the past, most subcontractors have been limited to console installs and vehicle installs while BMR installed and maintained the tower sites.

 

[williams63]

Eric: Thank you for the kind words.

I have checked everything I can , and even turned off the apco 25 card...when ANY TG came up..all I heard wha NOISE..Thus P25 Tx's.

I re enabled the apco card ,and whola human english.

Now Im not a comms pro by any means...But I think zone 3 is a diff animal than say 1 or 2.

Units from the MNR can speak Hundreds of miles away , perfectly in P25 Mode to the Comm Center..amazing to say the least.

This area is vast...and can be very baron.

Coolguy is also a GREAT GUY!!

I called him , to help him understand simple trunking , he has the hang of things now...But he was new and got *dumped On * on here and Yahoo List.

He is young...and also speaks french , so if he repeats himslef , there is NOT a problem with his education or mind, but simply a language barrior...he is a very nice guy , level headed young man!

A decent young man to be exact...and to see him get treated with the rudeness I and other saw was simply uncalled for!

As for me, Im retired...I have a vast array of exp in life..from Police board member to ham oper..Ive been around, but by NO means do I know all.

But your right...Sudbury is baron for scanners!!

Ill keep logging ( 2 new TG's alone today ) and post within here vs the database.

Also I had my scanner online for all to hear , you could hear that distinct ROBOTIC Fleetnet sound...mto was on , MNR on 5 TG's...OPP yacking alot...

At 1st when we went P25...Only OPP used it...I was on holidays for a month , wh4en I came back , every user was now using a new TG and Digital.

Again , today , Spectrum Communications tx's " Testing MOH PROV COMMON , 1 2 3 ..thank you North Bay "

I have nothimg to gain by saying that we here ONLY in Sudbury have full P25....The radio works 110%...If you know DC MEDIC, heck of a nice guy , I got the 296D from him awesome radio!!

You can see on the display P25 when they tx...also see LNK P25...plus the semi robotic sound of P25...

But your right...

Thx for the boost in faith in the hobby !!

Williams63:
There are very few 'northeners' on here.
Who is to say you are wrong?
Sometimes the 296 acts 'weird.' Sometimes if your Icall is set on t/g's you know are not Icalls appear on the screen.
This did not happen with my old 246 but did with my 245.
Internference, front end loading(???), I know nothing of that but I do know that in the 'south'
the MTO have digital talkgroups (3800-4000+) and analog 38000 area.
Who is to say that the MTO snowplows are not digital.
You and coolguy are pretty much our source.
Please do not get discouraged. When everything is said and done it will be you who is submitting info for the rest of us.
Noone here is 'dissing you.'
Please continue to submit live and learn and thank you for your efforts, I might just venture up to the north on day.
Eric

 

[IdleMonitor]

And this what you say, is not uncommon the least. Because one vehicle is 200 miles away from the other one, they're all still on the same talkgroup, so they're all still affiliating with each other.

And being up north in the more northern areas where your regions (counties) are much larger in area compared to us in the Southern portion of the province with the exception of me, and maybe a few others here who live in the largest County (per se) in the province. You're gonna hear lot's from people that are a hundred miles aways, that's basically how the system is made to work.

As I pointed out to one person in an email last night, it's much better than the old NORS system where you may have been able to pick up a tower from miles away, but you wouldn't always hear the mobile on the input frequency. And that's one of the big differences with fleetnet.

Hopefully you'll still have the stream online over night. I wouldn't mind checking it out.

Units from the MNR can speak Hundreds of miles away , perfectly in P25 Mode to the Comm Center..amazing to say the least.

This area is vast...and can be very baron.

 

[williams63]

Ill post the STREAM URL around 8 PM

I have to re set up the system for a Shoutcast Stream , Plus the wife and grandchildren want this old fart to go to Walmart...sigh...LOL

And this what you say, is not uncommon the least. Because one vehicle is 200 miles away from the other one, they're all still on the same talkgroup, so they're all still affiliating with each other.

And being up north in the more northern areas where your regions (counties) are much larger in area compared to us in the Southern portion of the province with the exception of me, and maybe a few others here who live in the largest County (per se) in the province. You're gonna hear lot's from people that are a hundred miles aways, that's basically how the system is made to work.

As I pointed out to one person in an email last night, it's much better than the old NORS system where you may have been able to pick up a tower from miles away, but you wouldn't always hear the mobile on the input frequency. And that's one of the big differences with fleetnet.

Hopefully you'll still have the stream online over night. I wouldn't mind checking it out.

 

[SCPD]

Zone 3 MTO

Hello Howard and everyone else again.

Thanks for helping me out by letting those ppl who seemed rued to me on here when I had asked for help. I really appreciate that. You are a great guy to. Also to let you know. I only speak English. I do not understand French or any other language.

Here in Chapleau I can here the MNR from quite a few places like: Hearst, Kapuskasing, New Liskeard, Sudbury, Chelmsford, Gogma, Timmins, Iron Bridge, Sault Ste Marie, Wawa, and any where else around all those areas. So they sound pretty good.

The MNR has been talking quite a bit.

The OPP are on to. Sometimes they can be fairly active and sometimes they have been quiet for a good while. Especially after Midnight. They seem to quiet right down until say around anywher after 6:00 or 6:30 AM.

The MTO Maintenance I do hear. But if there is nothing much going on, like no SNOW or ICE to deal with then it is fairly quiet and they only come on when it's time to give the Road Reports to the Sault Dispatcher (This is where the MTO for around here deals with), or if our guys from town need to talk to each other. But the only time there would be more talking is if there is SNOW or ICE on the roads and they need and have the PLOWS out.

Also to the North Bay Comm Centre only speaks to OPP Officers and MNR Guys.

So the MTO sounds good in the ANALOG that they are in. They almost sound exactly the same as they did when they were on their old VHF Freq's.

That's all I have for now. Thanks.

Coolguy

 

[exkalibur]

Okay, williams63 sent me a WAV file. In it, I hear a lot of digital activity, with 4-November, 4-Romeo callsigns, reference to 28/29 checks, 10-69 and all that OPP type stuff. I also heard "XLS321 to 13-A". That's a dead giveaway to it being MTO Maintenance. That however, was in analog, not digital.

The audio was very over-driven (turn down the scanner volume man!), but you could still make out what was being said.

Didn't hear any MOH comms on it, but if Zone 1 is any teacher, MOH will be the last to transition.

 

[jellotor]

williams63, try not to take it personally. You posted some information that couldn't be verified independently so naturally there's going to be some skepticism. Having a member in Sudbury is valuable...and if I came across as rude to you I apologise.

 

[slicerwizard]

I also heard "XLS321 to 13-A". That's a dead giveaway to it being MTO Maintenance. That however, was in analog, not digital.

The static on that call was quite clear. You don't get static on digital calls.