Active Shooter in Las Vegas
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It was probably either the Police Dept or federal gov't hacking him, or, messing with his network to get the feed to stop broadcasting. (Probably not, but it's not impossible)
Relax? Hopefully I didn't send off a sense of anger. Also, you can if you have a radio with the key. Like some media outlets do..
I just saw it this morning. I wonder why they wouldn't have done that, perhaps for mutual aid purposes? I'm not sure if other agencies assisted in any capacity but perhaps that would be a reason.
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SWAT was on their primary Talk Group, their simplex channel, and some teams were on CCAC & SCAC, both those dispatch channels reserved for the event. I think it was CCAC that the Zebra unit made the countdown & then 32-135 door breech on. He was on that channel because that's the channel a lot of the CCAC Patrol guys were on, but he was also on the SWAT TG with a second radio. There were some related comms on some of the old VHF channels too.
Media around here isn't given access to any of the secure channels -- that's a big part of why the 'patrol' & a few other LE TGs are non-secure. But a lesson-learned from this event is that in such a dynamic situation, sensitive info ends up being passed out over non-secure channels, so we'll see if full-time encryption is one way that LVMPD decides to harden-up in the aftermath.
Media around here isn't given access to any of the secure channels -- that's a big part of why the 'patrol' & a few other LE TGs are non-secure. But a lesson-learned from this event is that in such a dynamic situation, sensitive info ends up being passed out over non-secure channels, so we'll see if full-time encryption is one way that LVMPD decides to harden-up in the aftermath.
Yup. Things went down so quick that nobody even thought about moving to a secure talkgroup. It was just double time and hustle up to take down the threat. Nobody had time to turn the dial on their radios most likely.
Looks like the nut job had video cameras all setup around his hotel room. Hopefully their was no scanner radio found in that room which would be a whole different discussion here. As to the last post on this thread it sounds reasonable that the department could probably button up all of their talkgroups at this point. It would be another nail in the coffin but at this point there is no argument to any discussion over it. On this kind of scale situation I can bet the farm that these open talkgroups can say goodbye. The department is going to debrief this whole incident all the way to a microscopic level moving forward. I can guarantee that radio comms topic will be addressed.
Looks like the nut job had video cameras all setup around his hotel room. Hopefully their was no scanner radio found in that room which would be a whole different discussion here. As to the last post on this thread it sounds reasonable that the department could probably button up all of their talkgroups at this point. It would be another nail in the coffin but at this point there is no argument to any discussion over it. On this kind of scale situation I can bet the farm that these open talkgroups can say goodbye. The department is going to debrief this whole incident all the way to a microscopic level moving forward. I can guarantee that radio comms topic will be addressed.
Not all TAC or SWAT talkgroups everywhere are encrypted, but they are still prohibited from being streamed on Broadcastify. I think that's where Motoballa was coming from.
A key question in my mind is whether the shooter would have done anything differently had he been listening to the radio traffic. The fact that he was heavily invested in that room and killed himself before police reached him makes me think that in this case, maybe not.
richee2000
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on the archive audio Broadcastify posted of the event, its a total of about 90 minutes.. but all audio stops around 60 min in... anyone know why??
I think when this incident happened so late into the evening on west coast time the majority of people running broadcastify servers or feeds were dead a sleep. After about 60 minutes into the incident the feed was pulled once it was realized the Las Vegas PD was being streamed. Oh Crap we better pull the plug now.
richee2000
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well thats interesting because all major news outlets have played the "breach breach breach " audio , right at the moment SWAT entered the hotel room.... and they said it was from Broadcastify
Also, the killer reportedly installed cameras outside his room so that he could monitor the hallway visually, even if he couldn't hear what was going on.
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You are right about the first part, BUT I feel you are wrong on the second part. I think it is important that for people to hear what people in public safety endure during unfortunate events like this. I am speaking from both as a scanner listener and as a person who works in public safety. I have been a police dispatcher for a large city for more years than I would like to admit. Too many people outside of public safety (media for example) are quick to make judgement if something goes haywire. I place hearing the radio traffic right up there with releasing 'body camera' video. People may change their opinions when they see and hear what transpired during an event.
Even more important is that other people in public safety (Dispatchers, Police, Fire, EMS, Etc) can learn from each of these unfortunate events. Since I work in a big city I don't think it benefits me as much as someone who works in a relatively smaller city (population 100,000, etc) to hear this type of radio traffic. Also, this type of radio traffic can be used to train new police dispatchers. This is very helpful since you can't re-create a critical incident (speaking from plenty of experience) during the training process.
Unfortunately, most of these suspects expect to be dead by the end of the event (Either suicide or killed by officers). I don't think in these cases broadcasting the radio traffic would help the suspect as much as you would think. With hostage situations and critical incidents like that, the feed should be taken down or perhaps have the feeds delayed by a certain length of time (10 or 15 minutes ?).
Tim
richee2000
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Metro Las Vegas PD has 55 encrypted talk groups 55!!!!!!!! there is NO good reason to "take down" a link which has regular dispatch. The PD had plenty of ways to keep their comms from the bad guy
We have all the archives from the entire incident. I made an editing mistake when creating the Youtube video - I only included the first two archives in the video.
Everything is there in the archives.
Also, we never pulled the plug on the feed at any time. The servers got overwhelmed with a burst of traffic for about an hour before they self recovered.
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