155.145 In Belmar

[DJ88]

I've been hearing radio traffic on 155.145 PL 151.4 coming from Belmar all day long. It's definitely coming from Belmar because they're mentioning areas like 9th and Main and 8th and Main, and somebody just asked somebody else what road Klien's is on and the other person replied 5th Ave., and "no more questions like that". (Klien's is a retail fish market/restaurant on the Shark River Inlet on the corner of 5th Ave. and Main St.). I've also heard things like "there's the woman in the green shirt", "I have two kids with fishing poles at 8th and main", and apparently the tail end of a two way conversation that ended "can I go look for them?", "No". Is anyone else hearing this and does anyone have any idea who and/or what it it? It definitely doesn't sound like police and the frequency isn't licensed to Belmar or any surrounding towns.

 

[242]

Sea Bright uses this frequency, are you sure it's not them? I haven't looked up the street names

 

[DJ88]

I know Sea Bright uses it (Fire & EMS), but it's not them. It's definitely being used in Belmar. The question about Klein's confirmed it.

 

[DJ88]

I THINK it may have been activity regarding a Columbus Day parade. A few towns held them yesterday and Belmar may have been one of them. It still doesn't explain who was using the frequency, however, as it didn't sound like police at all. I guess it could have been parade coordinators or some type of security assisting the PD. I should have monitored the PD frequency but didn't think to do it.

 

[squad1321]

It probably was SBFD. Their trucks were out of town most of yesterday, though I don't know where they were at???

 

[DJ88]

Belmar had a "Fall Festival" yesterday. I just called and got the info from one of their PD dispatchers. I mentioned that I was hearing radio traffic on a frequency other than any of theirs, and it met complete silence. That was as far as the conversation went.

Squad 1321.....it really didn't sound like firemen at all. It sounded like young kids talking with an adult in all of the transmissions, almost like courtesy people there to assist the festival goers.

 

[gcr33]

Why in the world would you tell a dispatcher that you were hearing them, let alone on a frequency that is not a regular one?

If indeed it was some type of "tac" channel they will call their radio shop and talk about changing freqs. and or encryption. You may be the person responsible for getting sometype of encryption.

Think about it.

BTW law enforcement may operate unlicensed on any freq. as long as it is under 5 watts.
An FCC regulation.

 

[DJ88]

Tactical frequency? The only time I've ever heard any activity from Belmar on it is once a year when they hold the Fall Festival, and I've been monitoring Belmar for 30 years.

Under 5 watts? I live in Brick and was getting both sides of the transmissions as if the people were standing in my back yard. If it were under 5 watts, I doubt if I would be getting it that good, although anything is possible.

Changing the frequency? These police departments know we monitor them and the people in charge of the radios know how scanners work. If in fact it is a tactical frequency and they decide to change it, one can simply do a search on his/her scanner and if the signal is strong enough, he/she would be able to pick up the new frequency. With the search option available, there are no "secret" frequencies if they are within receiving range of a scanner.

Encryption? As I stated before, these PDs know we monitor them, and that any frequency is receivable on a scanner if it's within range. If Belmar doesn't want us listening to them, I'm sure they would have encrypted some or all of their frequencies a long time ago. I really doubt if my phone call will be the deciding factor.

 

[Joseph11]

Is this the repeater we spoke about last year on Scan-NJ forums?

 

[DJ88]

Yes it is Joe. I think you said you were hearing it at that time also. As for it being a repeater, I'm not sure, but you may know more about that than I do. As I said, both sides of the conversation were coming in strong here. If that is, in fact, the one you were hearing where you live, I think that would be a strong indicator that it was a repeater, rather than a low power (under 5 watts) simplex frequency.

 

[gcr33]

It's not that they know you monitor them, it's a shove it in your face thing.

Do you want to be the one that causes encryption? That is what I am saying. If the dispatcher/desk officer says something to the Chief etc. isn't in the back of his mind?

There are many agencies running simple encryption to full blown DES-OFB encryption on digital.

Don't say it's not possible think that it may be. The radio salespeople are always out there trying to sell.

Years ago a Chief bought radios with PL because he thought no one could hear him instead of the radios not hearing the neighboring towns. (A long time ago)

Think about your actions and the possible although you think impossible result of your actions.

 

[DJ88]

gcr33, You're making it sound like I committed some sort of a major crime here. Would you be happy if I slashed my wrists or spent some time in the quiet corner to "think about my actions"? It's really not the big deal you're making it out to be. Do you think Jackson Twp., Manchester Twp., Point Pleasant Beach, Toms River, or Asbury Park PDs, to name a few, incorporated encryption into their radio systems because somebody called them and said they monitored something on one of their frequencies? Brick Twp. will have a new digital system with encryption up and running in the near future. I doubt if a phone call from someone who said they were monitoring them was the deciding factor for their decision. Some PDs welcome the fact that the public can monitor them and possibly provide information pertaining to incidents that occur in their towns. Others just don't want us to know what they're doing, period. Those are the ones that now encrypt, or will do so in the future, regardless of the fact that someone may have "shoved in their face" that their transmissions are being monitored. As I said, they already know. If they don't mind, things will remain the same. If they do, they'll encrypt. Now, if you're all through scolding me, we can lay this topic to rest. If you choose to chastise me further, or if anyone else wants to throw stones at me, feel free to do so. I, however, am through discussing this matter.

 

[squad1321]

Some PDs welcome the fact that the public can monitor them and possibly provide information pertaining to incidents that occur in their towns.

Oceanport, for example, will make announcements over their local band where they start off by saying, "Attention Oceanport Fire, First Aid and Residents...."

 

[scannersnstuff]

? Beating A Dead Cow ? .

 

[squad1321]

It was a horse, but was beatin' so bad, it now looks like a cow

 

[gcr33]

I don't want anyone to slash their respective wrists. What I would like to get across, but I don't think I have been able to, is to think about what you are doing.
Every action has a reaction. If someone were to shove something in your face you might remember it and take some type of action. Remember it's government and the money is not real and now with Homeland Security a buzz word it's sellable.

Paging out volunteers is a whole other matter. How do you think the two are related?
Many agencies still carry Plectron voice pagers so that would be a notification method. The same method they used for a long time. It's hard to get volunteers under any conditions but that's another thread.

 

[ScanXO]

whhy call them

I agree with GRC33 By calling them about a tac type channel will give the powers or the radio sales person on this tread to be to pushing for extra funds or Grant money to encrypt thier channels.
I have seen sales people - M - tell agencies - mostly Police that we are listening and that is dangerous; and every time a crook is caught with a scanner fuels the fire calling the agency only re-enforces the need for more money to encrtypt; my town uses a channel they never license for single inversion because at the fire house and at every other home 'they know' people are listening and only use the regular channel for medical and fire and lost dogs - as told at a town meeting for the money to encrypt....

 

[RayAir]

Why in the world would you tell a dispatcher that you were hearing them, let alone on a frequency that is not a regular one?

If indeed it was some type of "tac" channel they will call their radio shop and talk about changing freqs. and or encryption. You may be the person responsible for getting sometype of encryption.

Think about it.

BTW law enforcement may operate unlicensed on any freq. as long as it is under 5 watts.
An FCC regulation.

A PD around here runs there TAC channel used for surveillance ops every night in the clear and off the repeater. It can be heard 15 miles away from the city.I have never heard any encryption, however they use code words. For example- Evergreen Rd= the shrub, 14= 10-4, kelly=green light,etc. I can really get a lot of info from listening to it.