169.925 identification

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Traveling on I-40 in Pope County near Pottsville today, I heard 169.925 with a tone of 118.8. They were talking about clearing a tree from the road. Anyone know who that is?
 
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Anyone know who that is?

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Likely one of the USFS National Forests in your area of travel.
Due to the NTIA changes occuring, forest have added and/or changed frequencies and many new ones have not been Found/Reported

Traveling on I-40 in Pope County near Pottsville today, I heard 169.925 with a tone of 118.8. They were talking about clearing a tree from the road. Anyone know who that is?
 

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I was scrolling down to my home state's forum page, Arizona when the number 169.925 caught me eye. My dear late husband collected a lot of stuff for natural resource/land management agencies and was a ham and volunteer firefighter for over 30 years as well. He would go to large CDF and federal fires for mutual aid and his interest in knowing their frequencies was pretty intense, especially as a ham. He used to have contacts all over the place to get some hard to get info. My dad is a USFS retired civil engineer who started with the FS in the late 1940's. When I was growing up in AZ, moving a couple of times when daddy transferred he had a radio on at home to listen to the FS, BLM, Park Service. He saw radio in natural resource business make a huge evolution. Enough, get to the point women.

Both my dad and late husband had a competition going on which could find the best and latest info. Both told me they had a real hard time getting anything for federal agencies located in the Midwest and east. They collectively only collected maybe 10% of the info they collected for the west. My husband deleted his account here around 2010-2011 as so much of what he got came from people who said he was not to share the info with anyone. It became a waste of his time and he had to bite his tongue when trying to discuss info or submit it to the database so he just lurked after that. In the last month I finally got up the courage to look through his notebooks. Its been really hard for me to approach his "stuff" after his 2017 passing that happened when he was just 64 and me 62 so it was a shock to say the least. . I think my dad and hubby passed the radio bug on to me, so I joined here recently.

Enough, get to the point girl. If anyone finds any lists or freq. guides for the east, I would love to see them. Hubby and I spent little time in the east in our lives, but I'm still interested in info from there. My dad always jokes that there is the USFS, then there are the Eastern and Southern Regions of the FS, which don't resemble the rest of the "outfit."
 

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As far as I know the basic USFS Fire stuff is standard nationwide as established in the NIFOG, and was just updated in June of this year. Primary Ops for each National Forest are trickier to get lol. Most of what we have listed for MS was compiled by 2 of us that monitored for many years to get it all. Now, much of that I question as USFS has been transitioning to new systems for the last several years as NTIA does the "digi shuffle" with upgrades to P25 for almost all Federal Agencies. Yeah there are a lot of "James Bond" wannabe's that think you have to keep ALL radio info secret. It is true that "officially" all Federal radio data is only available to Federal Agencies and those interopping with them. But the keep it secret part only really applies to activities you hear, NOT that the activity is on say 169.1275 P25 with an NAC of $4F..... Or that Podunk National Forest primary is on 173.4825 analog with tone 118.8 PL, and Plantation Ops is 168.4400 224 DPL..... After all, all the Ranger's radios have a nifty little trick where they can press a single button or switch channels over to one marked with an * and voila, encryption. But yes, it is like pulling teeth to get information in some areas.
 

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As far as I know the basic USFS Fire stuff is standard nationwide as established in the NIFOG, and was just updated in June of this year. Primary Ops for each National Forest are trickier to get lol. Most of what we have listed for MS was compiled by 2 of us that monitored for many years to get it all. Now, much of that I question as USFS has been transitioning to new systems for the last several years as NTIA does the "digi shuffle" with upgrades to P25 for almost all Federal Agencies. Yeah there are a lot of "James Bond" wannabe's that think you have to keep ALL radio info secret. It is true that "officially" all Federal radio data is only available to Federal Agencies and those interopping with them. But the keep it secret part only really applies to activities you hear, NOT that the activity is on say 169.1275 P25 with an NAC of $4F..... Or that Podunk National Forest primary is on 173.4825 analog with tone 118.8 PL, and Plantation Ops is 168.4400 224 DPL..... After all, all the Ranger's radios have a nifty little trick where they can press a single button or switch channels over to one marked with an * and voila, encryption. But yes, it is like pulling teeth to get information in some areas.

My late husband would hang out around the radio people on some fires, especially CDF fires where they started to work 24 hours on/24 hours off. He would get copies of directories-guides-lists as some of the techs were hams as well. He would sometimes stop at USFS ranger stations and strike up conversations about civil engineering, natural resource issues, firefighting and sometimes would ask about radio, explaining he was a ham. We once visited a ranger station in Montana where he went in to buy a map so I waited in the car. After 10 minutes I'm wondering where is is. Then I see him walking out the back door, the door goes up on a big garage/warehouse building and they all start looking at this engine parked inside. We usually did our trips in the fall, when people could spend 5-10 minutes with him. He often was given entire copies of regional or GACC directories. He kept on collecting till the end of 2016/early 2017 when he became quite ill. He was such a talker and people enjoyed talking with him so he was able to get some things others could not get after everything was made secret.

MY hubby always printed out a copy of the NIFOG whenever it was updated. I've not had the chance to look through the one he has in a notebook. I just drove back from CA after 10 weeks there fixing up a house that belonged to an uncle who used it as a second home in the mountains. The "notebooks" will be the last thing to get unpacked cause they're heavy, some have 5-6" rings and are full!
 

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From my older lists and some maps
Ozark-St Francis NF Repeaters are/were at:

Cass, Devils Knob, Devils Knob Tower, Fifty Six WC, Horn Lookout, Magazine Mountain, Newton Tower, Pine Mountain, Sand Gap Tower, Sugarloaf Mountain, Lake Wedington, White Oak Mountain and White Rock Mountain - not both Devils Knobs are listed as unique sites on the same Hill.

Anyone speculate if 169.9250 is new due to the NTIA Changes ? or just something kept close to the vest ?

The frequency is for ozark natl forest the main dispatch office is out of harrison arkansas
 

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Tacking on to this discussion, does anyone know what frequencies are used by LEO or other personnel in the Ozark National Forest up north of Mountain View (Stone County)? In my times there I have occasionally seen a truck or two with US Forest Service on the door and "LAW ENFORCEMENT" on the front fender or side of the bed, and they do have antennas on the trucks of course, but I wasn't sure. I've caught some conventional P25 traffic on one frequency before but it wasn't enough to know where they were or what they were talking about.

It may be more mystery, I know, but I just thought I'd ask anyway. @ecps92 What are the Fifty-Six repeater frequency/ies you said are on your old list? That'd be closest, I think, as it's just up the road from where we're usually at.
 

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Sadly, no Freqs were linked to those Repeaters
However, other notes indicated 171.5250 for the EAST and 171.5750 for the West, altho no one ever validated that info, and with the 169.9250 Report, I'm wondering if the 171 mhz got moved to 169 due to interference..

Tacking on to this discussion, does anyone know what frequencies are used by LEO or other personnel in the Ozark National Forest up north of Mountain View (Stone County)? In my times there I have occasionally seen a truck or two with US Forest Service on the door and "LAW ENFORCEMENT" on the front fender or side of the bed, and they do have antennas on the trucks of course, but I wasn't sure. I've caught some conventional P25 traffic on one frequency before but it wasn't enough to know where they were or what they were talking about.

It may be more mystery, I know, but I just thought I'd ask anyway. @ecps92 What are the Fifty-Six repeater frequency/ies you said are on your old list? That'd be closest, I think, as it's just up the road from where we're usually at.
 
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