396XT no has no law enforcement in Weber county, Utah

[wtp]

System Type:	Motorola Type II SmartZone Omnilink
System Voice:	Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface

type 2, phase 2, or a newer system ?

 

[enosjones]

phase 2 p25, the Motorola type 2 system will mostly be quiet now, they've moved on to a Harris phase 2 system. a p2 scanner either 325p2, which will be easy to program if u have your 396xt backed up to butel ARC-xt.. u can transfer your info in the scanner to the 325p2. thats the easiest way. if u want to go a little more expensive, and especially if u are near simulcast sites u will need either a sds100 or sds200. although all phase 2 scanners will work. the sds scanners work best for simulcast sites , less distortion.... its also 700 mhz

 

[kc7rhw]

The BCD396XT will not receive anything on the new UCA P25 system. All of the talkgroups are P25 Phase 2 (T in Mode column). Your scanners are capable of P25 Phase 1 only.

i have a whistler 1040 phase 1 scanner i hear weber fire and all davis county talk groups just to let you know
all is not lost on enc only the police are enc

 

[kc7rhw]

The BCD396XT will not receive anything on the new UCA P25 system. All of the talkgroups are P25 Phase 2 (T in Mode column). Your scanners are capable of P25 Phase 1 only.

well i am receiving davis county on my whistle 1040 there is a mix of phase 1 and pase 2 the enc groups are phase 2
i hear only fire dispatch on the weber county with my phase one whistler 1040 and phase 1 in salt lake county if it can tune in and trunk 7oo then you can still hear things

 

[N7OLQ]

The phase 1 transmissions will eventually go away. They system can do both automatically. I assume for budget reasons, there are still some phase 1 only radios being used by some agencies. As those radios get replaced, the phase 1 transmissions will go away.

 

[N7YUO]

In addition to the known secure TGs,
my Unitrunker shows these unknown TGs that are all secure.
I won't bother trying to identify any of them.
555 SLC?
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5102 OG?
5107 WB?
5112 WB?
5128

 

[MrBungle]

when I find the gizmo, gadget or dongle that opens up my scanner to what I’ve been locked out, I’ll be using it just as I have been listening for the last
67 years when I converted a new fm radio to hear local aircraft.
so who is brave enough to show me a working fix for listening to my local law enforcement?

I'd strongly recommend learning how the P25 system works from a fundamental basis as well as encryption. Technology doesn't work in reverse. I'm being brave enough to tell you the truth. You have a LOT of reading to do.

 

[MissouriMule]

Sucks the state went the encrypted route. I get the want to limit access to a certain extent. SLC PD goes encrypted next month. We'll find out who else in the Valley we can still monitor then too. Seems most Law enforcement agencies will be quiet for us common folk along the Wasatch Front corridor. Guess I'm going spend more time aviation railroad scanning. Till something probably ruins

Sucks the state went the encrypted route. I get the want to limit access to a certain extent. SLC PD goes encrypted next month. We'll find out who else in the Valley we can still monitor then too. Seems most Law enforcement agencies will be quiet for us common folk along the Wasatch Front corridor. Guess I'm going spend more time aviation railroad scanning. Till something probably ruins that hobby too.

Some areas RR are not capable of being received by the 396xt.
As alot of roads are using NXDN TECHNOLOGY.

 

[n1chu]

System Type:	Motorola Type II SmartZone Omnilink
System Voice:	Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface

type 2, phase 2, or a newer system ?

There are no “fixes” for an agency that has decided to go the encryption route. Unless you have permissions from the agency, and their equipment (or compatible equipment), forget being able to modify any piece of ham gear or a scanner. It’s also illegal to manufacture a scanner capable of decoding encryption. Bottom line, it is irrelevant how long you’ve been monitoring public safety transmissions, you just aren’t going to be able to hear anything that is understandable once encryption has been added to the mix.

Is it possible to overcome encryption without the permissions from the agency using it? Yes… maybe. The FBI suspects the Russians were able to do so during the 2020 presidential ingaguration when they somehow learned it was happening. But it’s still just a suspicion. In any case, if the Russians were able to decode the encrypted FBI transmissions, they had the entire expertise of their govt’s electronics labs at their disposal, something you do not possess. Save your money, forget your thoughts of buying anything that says it decrypts public safety transmissions. (The encryption techniques in some Ham, GMRS and Family Service Radios are NOT the same encryptions that commercial radio uses.

Even if you purchased the same radio an agency uses, the use of “Keys” these commercial radios use are only good if the radio is able to communicate with agency’s radio system. This means when you transmit on your radio the system does a “handshake” with your radio. And since every radio in their system comes with its own ID, that ID is compared to a list the system has on hand. If your radio does not have your ID on file with the system the system then transmits a “kill Code” that disables your radios ability to transmit and in some cases activates the GPS location ability to tell the agency where the offending radio is located.

Again, do yourself a favor and forget about any attempts to monitor encryption on a commercial service.

 

[enosjones]

the new p25 system has a mix of phase 1 and phase 2, the control channels are broadcasting phase 1. as far as Weber goes its encrypted scrambled , all u will hear is noise garbled up if anything at all. a bcd396xt will only do phase 1 , and will pick up some traffic just not weber.. and it won't do phase 2, just some of the sporadic phase one that comes across...