855.362500

[RonnieUSA]

Found some more info from the FCC site, may be useful, or it may not, But I'm gonna post it any way.

ULS License - Other Indust/Land Transp. 806-821/851-866 MHz, Trunked License - WPCQ242 - AMERICAN ELECTRIC POWER SERVICE CORPORATION - Frequencies Summary

What I have circled in yellow could this be the LCN order?

 

[mtindor]

What I have circled in yellow could this be the LCN order?

In a perfect world you could go by what you see there. But in reality, most EDACS/LTR systems do not follow any order listed in FCC records. In fact, if I were the system manager, I'd specifically set all sites up so that they do not follow any order close to what's in FCC records [if I wanted to make it more difficult for people to determine proper order to scan].

With all of that said, I have found that much of the time [for the AEP system], there are usually no spaces between LCN numbers.... meaning that if there are four frequencies, the LCNs would typically be 1 through 4 (they could be 1 / 7 / 12 / 20 if the manager wanted them to be). Additionally, most of the time the AEP sites seem to go from lowest freq to highest freq.

So, to start out I'd program the lowest frequency as LCN 1 and the highest frequency as LCN5 and start from there. You may hit it lucky and it may track perfectly.

But, if you are ever trying to figure out a site in some other EDACS [or LTR] system, don't count on that working out as nicely.

Mike

 

[mtindor]

Incidentally, I added the additional frequencies to the site listing in the DB.

Mike

 

[RonnieUSA]

Great, I don't seem to be having any problems following the conversations, I notice 1 meter reader talks on 1 frequency, and is answered the office on a different frequency. (There are no longer any beeps)

I know know what private groups are, and understand it a little better.
My next project is to find out who all of those talk groups are.

 

[nd5y]

What I have circled in yellow could this be the LCN order?

The frequency, antenna and location numbers on FCC applications and licenses is meaningless. It is only the order in which the data was entered on the online form.

 

[mtindor]

Great, I don't seem to be having any problems following the conversations, I notice 1 meter reader talks on 1 frequency, and is answered the office on a different frequency. (There are no longer any beeps)

I know know what private groups are, and understand it a little better.
My next project is to find out who all of those talk groups are.

Sounds like you're doing pretty good. Yes, on an EDACS system most of the time you'll find that the LCN changes for each transmission.

In my neck of the woods, private calls are very common. Anyone who listens to an AEP EDACS site and doesn't enable private calls in their scanner will likely miss a bit.

Mike

 

[RonnieUSA]

Private calls are very busy here also.
I think I just got lucky with this site.
It's my first trunked system that I have every tried to listen to, plus it's the only one in my County.

 

[RonnieUSA]

1 more question, I know VC: is voice channel, but what does PC: stand for? (Private Channel, that's my guess)

 

[mtindor]

1 more question, I know VC: is voice channel, but what does PC: stand for? (Private Channel, that's my guess)

Where are you seeing PC? No, PC would not be private channel. Private Call perhaps? Are you seeing that nomenclature in Unitrunker or something?

Mike

 

[RonnieUSA]

Where are you seeing PC? No, PC would not be private channel. Private Call perhaps? Are you seeing that nomenclature in Unitrunker or something?

Mike

The radio, I meant private call.

 

[RonnieUSA]

I saw this logged in Win500>> 12:31:10, 0114, TGRP , 02-124, 02-124, TSYS=0067, AEP , AN, 854.912500 TGL/O LCN01 Store

What does it mean, Please?

 

[mtindor]

I saw this logged in Win500>> 12:31:10, 0114, TGRP , 02-124, 02-124, TSYS=0067, AEP , AN, 854.912500 TGL/O LCN01 Store

What does it mean, Please?

It simply shows that at 12:31:10 talkgroup 02-124 was active using 854.9125 (LCN 1) as the voice frequency.

Mike

 

[RonnieUSA]

It simply shows that at 12:31:10 talkgroup 02-124 was active using 854.9125 (LCN 1) as the voice frequency.

Mike

Good to know, I found some things I wasn't logging, but I am now.

 

[RonnieUSA]

14:04:17, 0073, TGRP ,02-124, 02-124, TSYS=0067, A.E.P., AN,855.612500 LCN04
10:04:42, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:44, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:44, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:46, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:46, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:48, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:48, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:50, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 TGL/O LCN01 Stor

854.912500 LCN01
855.362500 LCN02
855.612500 LCN03
856.287500 LCN04
855.512500 (Could this be an Alternate Control Channel?)

Here in Kentucky A.E.P. is known as Kentucky Power.

From the Win500 logs is those talk groups being locked out?

 

[mtindor]

14:04:17, 0073, TGRP ,02-124, 02-124, TSYS=0067, A.E.P., AN,855.612500 LCN04
10:04:42, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:44, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:44, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:46, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:46, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:48, 0068, TGRP , Kentucky Power , Power , TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:48, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 TGL/O LCN03 Stor
10:04:50, 0123, TGRP , 08-061, 08-061, TSYS=0067, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 TGL/O LCN01 Stor

854.912500 LCN01
855.362500 LCN02
855.612500 LCN03
856.287500 LCN04
855.512500 (Could this be an Alternate Control Channel?)

Here in Kentucky A.E.P. is known as Kentucky Power.

From the Win500 logs is those talk groups being locked out?

Ronnie,

Any / all of those frequencies could be alternate control channels. The control channel data of an EDACS site is not going to tell you that. The only way you'll know is if one day the control channel changes and that happens to be the new control channel. That's why its important to know all site frequencies and their LCN order. All freqs have to be programmed in to be sure that if/when the control channel changes, your're scanner will have that frequency programmed in as well.

All AEP sites around my area rotate control channels periodically. Meaning, over time every frequency on a site is typically a control channel at some point.

As far as your question about Win500, I don't know the answer to that since I dont currently hvae it installed. I doesn't appear to be suggesting that anything is locked out though.

Mike

 

[RonnieUSA]

Thank You very much.
I moved this (855.512500) to the bottom of the list in My system frequencies list since it wasn't listed as a LCN.
I will post it, if shows what it is.

 

[RonnieUSA]

Talk Group question,

I know that 02-103 is listed as Ironton meter collection service, But here I'm mostly hearing lineman using it.
Just heard a lineman going to do a new tap in Lawrence County KY, he gave the pole # where the tap was going to be done, and the dispatcher acknowledging it.

10:46:12, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:46:19, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:46:23, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:46:29, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:46:32, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:46:59, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:47:20, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:47:26, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:47:35, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:47:37, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:47:46, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:47:51, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:48:01, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:48:16, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:49:19, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:50:22, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:51:08, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01

 

[mtindor]

If they are going to turn on / turn off power to a residence/business, you'll likely hear that traffic on the talkgroup as well. You definitely could hear linemen on that talkgroup if they are working on establishing/re-establishing/disabling service to a customer.

Mike

Talk Group question,

I know that 02-103 is listed as Ironton meter collection service, But here I'm mostly hearing lineman using it.
Just heard a lineman going to do a new tap in Lawrence County KY, he gave the pole # where the tap was going to be done, and the dispatcher acknowledging it.

10:46:12, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:46:19, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:46:23, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:46:29, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:46:32, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:46:59, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:47:20, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:47:26, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:47:35, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:47:37, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:47:46, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:47:51, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:48:01, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:48:16, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 856.287500 LCN04
10:49:19, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 855.612500 LCN03
10:50:22, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01
10:51:08, 0072, TGRP , Meter Collection, 02-103, TSYS=0068, Kentucky Power , AN, 854.912500 LCN01

 

[RonnieUSA]

I have also noticed that most of the private calls are from 3000 units;

3008
3155
3317
3327
3338
3339
3346
3347
3364
3375
3401
3403
3407
3408
3600
3601
3605
3608
3652
3962
So could the units here in Kentucky be 3000 units?

 

[mtindor]

Hard to tell. Most likely many of them are KY, but some of them could be Southern OH radio IDs as well.

I don't know how large the fleet is down in that area. Up here 7700s are out of Steubenville Ohio, 7900s are out of Belmont Ohio (or Wheeling, forget which).

You're seeing radio IDs in multiple hundred blocks (30xx, 31xx, 33xx, 34xx, 36xx and 39xx). They could all be radio IDs from different areas that they have offices, or in some cases they may have a fleet large enough to spill over into more than one 'hundred' block.

Mike

I have also noticed that most of the private calls are from 3000 units;

3008
3155
3317
3327
3338
3339
3346
3347
3364
3375
3401
3403
3407
3408
3600
3601
3605
3608
3652
3962
So could the units here in Kentucky be 3000 units?