American Electric Power (AEP) P25 WACN 92715

[rattlerbb01]

Added site 68.68 and 73.73 as neighbors to 55.55 on 1F9. 68.68 new CC of 856.4125 which still doesn't narrow down those northeast Texas sites very well but I may be able to take a tour over there very soon to find them all if I am lucky. 73.73 is probably Carthage so I will have that verified soon as well since it is so close and on my way home. Three weeks ago it was still EDACS but it was the last holdout that I can remember.

I also saw something interesting happen tonight: 55.55's control channel was TDMA, with audio muted on DSD+ for a while. Audio came back and I watched the CC change from 855.8625-1 to 855.8625, and then back to TDMA a few minutes later. Perhaps a radio incapable of TDMA CC operations was turned on briefly?

 

[mtindor]

With a new CC of 856.4125 for Site 1F9-68.68 (along with the existing known CC of 854.8375), 1F9-68.68 is likely Daingerfield. I had listed in the wiki Daingerfield or DeKalb. But DeKalb is not licensed for 856.4125 whereas Daingerfield is. There is a pending app on the Daingerfield site removing freqs. Even with frequencies removed, 854.8375 and 856.4125 are both still on the Daingerfield license.

And 1F9-57.57 is in the DB with two CCs, 855.6625 and 856.2875 and is listed as Plain Dealing or Rosewood. However, Rosewood isn't licensed for 856.2875 while Plain Dealing is licensed for both.

So I'm leaning towards:
1F9-57.57 Plain Dealing (856.4125 / 854.8375)
1F9-68.68 Daingerfield (855.625 / 856.2875)

And known peers that list 1F9-57.57 as a peer are 5.5, 80.80, 85.85. Plain Dealing would make much more sense based upon peers that are advertising 1F9-57.57 as a peer.

Mike

 

[rattlerbb01]

And known peers that list 1F9-57.57 as a peer are 5.5, 80.80, 85.85. Plain Dealing would make much more sense based upon peers that are advertising 1F9-57.57 as a peer.

I should have been able to pick up Plain Dealing a few days ago from Hosston. I doubt I’ll be up that way again but we’ll get it soon enough.

 

[slayer816]

I should have been able to pick up Plain Dealing a few days ago from Hosston. I doubt I’ll be up that way again but we’ll get it soon enough.

You indeed should have. The first time I found the original EDACS / LWIN sites it was back and forth from Hosston to Plain Dealing. However, it literally could turn on any day at any hour. Last time I was there; FDMA radios were all over Mooringsport. Now they're all TDMA. They apparently didn't do anything for a long time, and then changed it all very rapidly. I wouldn't put it past them to activate Plain Dealing in the middle of the night at random.

Sooner or later I'll be back out that way to help. I've been stuck towards Mississippi lately.

 

[mtindor]

My thoughts on 57.57 being Plain Dealing are obviously pure speculation. I'm aware that you guys have yet to find Plain Dealing online when you've been there. Then there is this post . Add to that the fact that there is never any guarantee that a site won't come online using one or more unlicensed freqs. And peers don't always make sense either. So what I think is Plain Dealing could be Rosewood.

Wow, I'm a dumbass. They (AEP) already filed an app to remove freqs from Atlanta (which one or both of you already suspected to be online I think). And ATlanta (after removal of freqs) has both 855.6625 and 856.2875 on it. So, dollars to donuts i'm going to bet that 57.57 is Atlanta. The peers (5.5, 80.80, 85.85) would still make sense for Atlanta. And I think it's fairly safe to assume that they are not filing apps to remove freqs on sites that aren't already online (because they would want to make sure there is no interference on the freqs they are using before they delete other freqs from the license).

57.57 could be Plain Dealing or Atlanta (or less likely Rosewood) but is probably Atlanta given the fact that Plain Dealing had been on hold waiting for some permit and AEP just filed an extension waiver on Dec 29.

M

 

[rattlerbb01]

My thoughts on 57.57 being Plain Dealing are obviously pure speculation. I'm aware that you guys have yet to find Plain Dealing online when you've been there. Then there is this post . Add to that the fact that there is never any guarantee that a site won't come online using one or more unlicensed freqs. And peers don't always make sense either. So what I think is Plain Dealing could be Rosewood.

Wow, I'm a dumbass. They (AEP) already filed an app to remove freqs from Atlanta (which one or both of you already suspected to be online I think). And ATlanta (after removal of freqs) has both 855.6625 and 856.2875 on it. So, dollars to donuts i'm going to bet that 57.57 is Atlanta. The peers (5.5, 80.80, 85.85) would still make sense for Atlanta. And I think it's fairly safe to assume that they are not filing apps to remove freqs on sites that aren't already online (because they would want to make sure there is no interference on the freqs they are using before they delete other freqs from the license).

57.57 could be Plain Dealing or Atlanta (or less likely Rosewood) but is probably Atlanta given the fact that Plain Dealing had been on hold waiting for some permit and AEP just filed an extension waiver on Dec 29.

M

I am planning on getting over to Atlanta sometime this week, maybe even today if things go well and the weather clears up. Based on its reported peers, I may try and check out Texarkana or New Boston, and I should be able to check out Big Sandy, Rosewood, Fruitvale and Carthage within a week as well as they are all within a short drive of I-20 when I head back to the promised land.

 

[mtindor]

I'd be leaning on the first location on each line being the actual location of the site, except for 72.72 and 86.86 -- which it really could be either.

54.54    857.2875               Hartford AR, maybe Greenwood AR
57.57    855.6625 / 856.2875    Atlanta TX, Plain Dealing LA or Rosewood TX
62.62    858.7375               Washington AR
68.68    854.8375 / 856.4125    Daingerfield TX or DeKalb TX
69.69    858.3875               Pullman AR
72.72    858.8625               Waldron / Greenwood or Foreman AR
73.73    855.6875               Carthage TX or Rosewood TX
74.74    856.3625               (isolated -- cc freq prob not correct) - peer of 76, 90
86.86    856.8625               Mena or Waldron AR
87.87    855.8375               Highland AR
89.89    855.1125               New Boston AR or DeKalb TX

And, based upon the fact that all of the following sites have pending apps to remove freqs, I would say these sites are probably all online.

Presidio TX
Sterling City TX
Talpa TX
Winnsboro TX
Daingerfield TX
Atlanta TX
Texarkana TX
New Boston TX
Foreman AR
Hartford AR
Greenwood AR

 

[rattlerbb01]

I'd be leaning on the first location on each line being the actual location of the site, except for 72.72 and 86.86 -- which it really could be either.

54.54    857.2875               Hartford AR, maybe Greenwood AR
57.57    855.6625 / 856.2875    Atlanta TX, Plain Dealing LA or Rosewood TX
62.62    858.7375               Washington AR
68.68    854.8375 / 856.4125    Daingerfield TX or DeKalb TX
69.69    858.3875               Pullman AR
72.72    858.8625               Waldron / Greenwood or Foreman AR
73.73    855.6875               Carthage TX or Rosewood TX
74.74    856.3625               (isolated -- cc freq prob not correct) - peer of 76, 90
86.86    856.8625               Mena or Waldron AR
87.87    855.8375               Highland AR
89.89    855.1125               New Boston AR or DeKalb TX

And, based upon the fact that all of the following sites have pending apps to remove freqs, I would say these sites are probably all online.

Presidio TX
Sterling City TX
Talpa TX
Winnsboro TX
Daingerfield TX
Atlanta TX
Texarkana TX
New Boston TX
Foreman AR
Hartford AR
Greenwood AR

well, I can promise you I will probably never be the one to verify Presidio😂

 

[mtindor]

well, I can promise you I will probably never be the one to verify Presidio😂

LOL what, no 6-7 hour trips west?

 

[rattlerbb01]

LOL what, no 6-7 hour trips west?

Took the family to Fort Davis which is deep in the desert of West Texas to visit the observatory and swim in the spring pool nearby. Nice trip, and Presidio was still two hours away. People don’t fully grasp how big Texas is until you’ve driven all around it.

 

[rattlerbb01]

Well, things worked out and I was able to loop up to Texarkana and back and catch some sites.

57.57 Atlanta
68.68 Daingerfield
79.79 Texarkana
89.89 New Boston

85.85 Marshall is now TDMA

73.73 is not Carthage. Bethany doesn't have it as a neighbor, and 855.6875 is STILL EDACS. The only one left that I have heard. It does neighbor Marshall, Daingerfield and New Boston, so I am leaning to it being Rosewood now.

Also caught 1.1 and 2.2 neighbors, which are probably Winnsboro and Mineola respectively based on their peers. I can probably get closer to those in a week from now.

62.62 is probably Washington, AR now that we have more neighbors and two matching frequencies.

69.69 is probably Pullman, AR because ditto above

72.72 is almost surely Foreman, AR. More data and matching frequencies and I could almost decode it from south of New Boston.

87.87 is probably Highland, AR also since we have more data and matching frequencies.

 

[HikerGuy]

Claudeville site (53) is now confirmed. Still no luck on site 63's location...

 

[HikerGuy]

Also of note - Salem, VA's site now has a TDMA control channel.

 

[rattlerbb01]

For 1F9, sat in Plain Dealing for a little bit tonight. Caught 5.5 Hosston and 80.80 Mooringsport, though 3.3 Bellevue was less than stellar. No Plain Dealing site up yet, if there will be at all.

Site 73.73 is now reporting 857.7875 as the CC which has me more confident that it is indeed Rosewood, TX. I'll verify Tuesday on my way home.

 

[TexasMale]

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Does not have anything in Jefferson County Texas. It says Jefferson county Ohio is this a mistake?

 

[nd5y]

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Does not have anything in Jefferson County Texas. It says Jefferson county Ohio is this a mistake?

It's a problem with the database. I have seen that on other trunked systems. The system will appear on a county or state where there are no sites.

 

[mtindor]

American Electric Power (AEP) P25 Does not have anything in Jefferson County Texas. It says Jefferson county Ohio is this a mistake?

I removed Jefferson Co TX from the list of states in TX with AEP coverage. Don't know what admin added it to the DB, but clearly it was wrong. Jefferson Co TX is a long way away from any AEP site. Who knows, could have been me. But one admin surely added it. It's removed now. You shouldn't get any more notifications for AEP updates in Jefferson Co TX, and it should not show up on the Jefferson Co TX DB page at this point. Sorry about that. I misunderstood what you had sent in the ticket/submission.

 

[rattlerbb01]

It was my bad, I saw your submission and was going to work it tonight. I intended to put in Marion County, TX where Jefferson, TX is north of Marshall since the whole county is covered well by AEP. My mistake.

 

[nd5y]

Oklaunion TX 1F8 91-91 went TDMA CC sometime in the past week or so.
Conditions are poor this morning so I don't know if anything else around here changed recently.

 

[rattlerbb01]

1F9 in Texas, confirmed and added Winnsboro, Mineola, Longview, Rosewood and Fruitvale. The only EDACS site still on is once again in Carthage, confirmed that today as well.

Site 74.74 Fruitvale is the westernmost site of the SWEPCO/AEP service territory, and is connected to five 1F8 neighbors which are well out of range.