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The RC-FS10 Remote Communicator is a solid product. It simply works. It's easy to set up and configure, but you must remember that the system it's connected to will only allow up to 8 RCs to be
connected to it. One way to get around this limitation is to set up your system as multiple IDAS systems, allowing 8 RCs per system. The end user still sees the system as a bunch of individually
selectable channels so there's really not much of a practical limitation with this configuration.
 

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thanks............

The RC-FS10 Remote Communicator is a solid product. It simply works. It's easy to set up and configure, but you must remember that the system it's connected to will only allow up to 8 RCs to be
connected to it. One way to get around this limitation is to set up your system as multiple IDAS systems, allowing 8 RCs per system. The end user still sees the system as a bunch of individually
selectable channels so there's really not much of a practical limitation with this configuration.


Our iDAS ham system will be growing to three repeaters shortly, with a possibility of linking to an iDAS repeater coming to Rhode Island and maybe linking with some iDAS repeater users in New Hampshire. I am interested in the RC because the sales brochure makes it look like an easy way to remotely control the repeaters. Your comment that "it simply works" solidifies my desire to get that package, especially since our needs are much simpler than what you just installed. Thanks for the response.

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I've got 34 IDAS repeaters operating together in an 8 site system. It's configured as several separate IDAS systems, but they're interconnected to a certain degree. The biggest issue with it is just figuring
out how to configure all the subscriber radios for a good combination of flexibility and ease of use.

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Initial on-site turnup of the first IDAS digital repeaters at my customer's site has now occurred, I took a trip to assist with turn-up activities.

Performance is absolutely unbelievable. I had reliable communications from portable radio to portable radio while a measured 24 miles away from the repeater site. The elevation of the antenna is about 500 feet above sea level. (100 feet up an antenna located 400 feet AGL.) Mobile radio performance
is even better, adding several miles of range.

Switching to analog mode (repeater in mixed mode), you couldn't even bring up the repeater until you
got several miles closer.

I'm IMPRESSED. And I don't impress easily anymore. I've grown rather jaded with this radio industry.

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This comports with our testing. The iDAS digital signal will carry further than the analog signal from the same repeater.






Initial on-site turnup of the first IDAS digital repeaters at my customer's site has now occurred, I took a trip to assist with turn-up activities.

Performance is absolutely unbelievable. I had reliable communications from portable radio to portable radio while a measured 24 miles away from the repeater site. The elevation of the antenna is about 500 feet above sea level. (100 feet up an antenna located 400 feet AGL.) Mobile radio performance
is even better, adding several miles of range.

Switching to analog mode (repeater in mixed mode), you couldn't even bring up the repeater until you
got several miles closer.

I'm IMPRESSED. And I don't impress easily anymore. I've grown rather jaded with this radio industry.

Elroy
 

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I've been to the site again, getting more of the installation completed and sites tuned to meet coverage requirements, and if anything, it's a bit problematic to confine coverage to a limited area!

Yeah...too much coverage is an issue I have to contend with. It's nice to have such problems!

I'm covering a surface mining pit operation that's nearly a square mile and several hundred feet deep at the deepest point, and had to tune the power output down to just 2.5 watts (That's not a typo. Two and a half watts) in order to confine the surface area coverage to designed limits. Coverage in the pit areas is confirmed as 100 percent with a signal strength lower limit of -95 dBM measured at the worst coverage point. I could actually drop another 10 dB if I really wanted to but I want some leeway to cover the eventual equipment issues that are bound to come up.

Our first operating IDAS network consists of four repeaters running more or less in a line down a long road path, using two repeater pairs, alternating from the first to the second, then back to the first, then back to the second, so two channels in a subscriber radio is all that is needed for coverage. At any point along the coverage path, you're in full communications across the entire path. You simply need to be tuned to the channel that works with the nearest repeater. This works, and it works extremely well. Range has again exceeded any initial expectations. We're well into the BONUS!!! territory and this makes the customer very happy.


To say I'm impressed by the real world performance of IDAS digital radios is an understatement. I think IDAS is a killer product and my only gripes about it is that Icom simply does not have the comprehensive level of support for its products that Motorola offers for theirs. However, support costs money, and Icom gives you decent support although for some applications you'll have to find the solution for yourself.

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Our first operating IDAS network consists of four repeaters running more or less in a line down a long road path, using two repeater pairs, alternating from the first to the second, then back to the first, then back to the second, so two channels in a subscriber radio is all that is needed for coverage. At any point along the coverage path, you're in full communications across the entire path. You simply need to be tuned to the channel that works with the nearest repeater. This works, and it works extremely well. Range has again exceeded any initial expectations. We're well into the BONUS!!! territory and this makes the customer very happy.

Are you using the radios with RSSI scan so they "roam" seamlessly?
 

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It hasn't been tested yet. First things first, get it working. Then play with the extra features.

It's really not necessary to use RSSI voting for this system as it's only two channels as far as the user is concerned. And for the majority of the coverage path, he will have enough overlap that both channels will be usable.

We're also working with several discrete IDAS systems here. The number of repeaters in use is far too high for this to be one system. It's seven systems. With so many actual talkgroup and channel assignments, we're trying to keep the programming at least reasonably simple,
and I have not yet explored the possibility of being able to use the RSSI voting feature only on specific selected channels while not using it on other channels in the same radio.

But, first things first: Get it running in a basic operating mode, and THEN start playing with optional features.

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Idas

So, here's an update in any case if any one was wondering

Icom Idas portable will decipher kenwoods nexedge trunking, however its not perfect. It will only decode a frequency pair at a time. Still pretty cool

I have officially joined the idas generation and so far am impressed, still testing conventional digital first. Then comes the more changeling effort. Elroy, I have some questions for ya when you get a chance. Are you available for a pm?

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I've been to the site again, getting more of the installation completed and sites tuned to meet coverage requirements, and if anything, it's a bit problematic to confine coverage to a limited area!

Yeah...too much coverage is an issue I have to contend with. It's nice to have such problems!...

Elroy

Hey was thinking about this thread today and would love to hear an update to your idas system if you have an update

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It should go fully operational in a couple of weeks. It's taken time to get that many new subscriber radios to the site and programmed up. The changeover can't occur until everyone who needs the digital radios
has one, obviously, or the legacy users get left behind.


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Hi all,

In August '09 we installed an IC-FR6000 repeater for one of our clients in Pretoria, South Africa. Initially we operated on analogue mode, in August 2010, we migrated to iDAS and the coverage seemed fine at the time.

Our client has now raised concerns that the coverage is not as good and pointed out dead spots. We have tested these dead spots and they are indeed dead spots. In our attempts to correct this problem we obviously checked all the basic issues with the primary high site and the problem was still not corrected.

We have now installed a 2nd repeater on another high site +/- 4miles away for the other repeater and we have discovered the inverse has happened where we now have more deadspots in other areas.

My questions to you are as follows:

1. Is there any advise you can give to check on the configs of the repeaters to ensure optimum performance ?
2. what is the fault resolution process with such problems ?
3. Are there any iCom iDAS forum members in South Africa currently who can assist me ? Support in country is very limited as the iDAS technology is fairly new.
4. When setting up the 2nd repeater, what setting should be used to ensure there are no conflicts ?

Apologies if the post is lacking technical information, I myself am new to the technology and am not getting much in-country support.

Any assistance / advice / help would greatly be appreciated !
 

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No it won't.

Ref here, 6.25 step is the key here.......not at 12.5
http://forums.radioreference.com/icom-forum/189660-kenwood-nexedge-icom-idas-repeater.html

It's my understanding that nexedge trunking operates at 12.5 k and 6.25 k

One of which Icom idas will not support-the 12.5, now operating in trunking mode icom will not make a trunking handshake, but it will break (rx) the audio on a per channel basis. I've tried it, it like's ltr but digital and not passport.
 
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If someone has tried this, let me know.
I thought it could be handy to have a internet forum just for Amateur Radio use of NXDN. More so for posting known nxdn repeaters on amateur radio frequencies, both on 2m and 70cm.

Home - NXDN for Amateur Radio

I not a professional website builder, so if there are others that think this is a good idea, and would like to help or take over and run with the project, let me know.

Steven
 

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Currently, Icom and Kenwood only make VHF and UHF iDAS equipment. So it can operate on any frequency between 144-174, and 440-470, as long os they have the correct license.
It would be nice if they came out with a low band NXDN radio!!!!!
Steven
 
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