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Brizard

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Idas systems

I'm currently running a 10 repeater IDAS system in Northern Alberta, over 800 Radio's mixed mobile and portable, the Icom radios are holding up quite well, 1/100 out of box failure, a few digital board failures but otherwise wear and tear so far. Suprisingly few repairs considering our conditions.
 

RADIOGUY2002

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Icom radio's

When I was working for a dealer I saw more kenwood prolbems as opposed to any manfacture they sold their. And the prolbems were realtivy dumb ones at that, stuck keys because someone spilled pop on their radio and failure of soft keys to the radio on and off. Granted most of these radios were used 24/7 but still it does not say much. Also, seeing a fd threw a huge hissy fit for good reasons because of their crappy kenwoods it hard for me to choose that line. They are now using xts1500 and what a difference that is from kenwood, also a huge price difference. And then on top of that when speaking to a tech in a shop other then the one I worked for he didn't have to many nice things to say. He said he was aware of simple prolbems with vertex, motorola, icom and that for the most they perform equally across the borad.

However, funny I got it the other way before saying kenwoods are better then icom's. So, far my experience has been good. But, I think it all comes down to the price point of the radio and what you plan on getting out of them. One prolbem that I had was RF feed power coming back into the radio, a few tests and talking with Icom, about my radio and it was fixed at no cost to me because of the warrenty. I would have to say its about 1/100 as well considering I have five mobiles and two portables that can support the idas feature. That would be the direction I'm going in for if I purchase a new repeater. The only thing that aggervates me is the output wattage with Icom ic-FR5000 and the fact that you have to buy the additional power plug equipment etc. I wish they would have made it turn key at (45/50 whatever maybe the case) watts full duplex, as Rich and I have discuss. The only alternative is to put an amp on it and if I could find a decident price for one maybe we can talk idas sooner. Oh by the way their is a emission designator that is a catch all for digital and analogue format with data as well. I stumbled upon it on a new license for a company that just built their data center in my home town. And the tech was surprised that the icom was having rf power feedback into the radio, but noticed it when doing two radios by each other. Said that was rather unusal for that model considering its track record.

*What I can say for the positives*
-Modest Price Range
-Features Loaded
-More channels then I'll ever needed
-LTR, 25/12.5 Analogue all in one with option boards
-Wideband coverage
-Mutiple tone selection for ctcsss/dcs combo
-MDC1200
-Big Display, easy to radio, activated by turn key channels
-User grip, easy to handle
-Quick Chargering, Battery life is awsome, easy storage for spares
-Firmware upgradable

*what would I like to see*
-Time Clock-
-Menu Driven by soft keys-
-Voice Storage-
-Multi Band platform, uhf, vhf, 800

What do I think Icom needs to delvop in
800/900
and mullti band options in one radio
more power watted radio, more juice. But, from what I see this is being delvoped on some level with remote heads.

Company Wise
Can I stress even more- they listen to their customers for future delvopment.

Additional Notable prolbems, that seem to have been address
The microphone has issues with the clip and the audio quality, but once again thats one thing. But, they have released a new version of the microphone. So maybe that nipped this issue.
 
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It would seem the biggest issue I have right now with my Idas system is when radios are grouped together not all the radios will unmute on the incomming signal even though the transmitting ID shows up on the display, this problem has me scratching my head.
 

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Anybody out there using iDAS yet? If so, VHF? UHF? Conventional or trunked?



We just installed an IDAS repeater in Taunton, MA the other day. It is on 145.28 (- offset). I believe this is the first IDAS repeater for amateur use in Massachusetts. The repeater is coordinated for 6.25 khz digital voice only.

John
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gewecke

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We have 2 icom - IDAS repeaters in the 70cm ham band in this area.
They both work quite well over analog rptrs.
N9ZAS
 

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ICOM IDAS repeater question:

Is the network connection only for repeater config and linking or is there a way you can also listen to the repeater's audio? (Not necessarily an audio stream but for troubleshooting purposes.)

- Rob
 

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It would seem the biggest issue I have right now with my Idas system is when radios are grouped together not all the radios will unmute on the incomming signal even though the transmitting ID shows up on the display, this problem has me scratching my head.

Try setting "Fast Unmute" to ON in the affected channel(s).

I've seen this behavior in a friend of mine's iDAS system when I've been talking to him on one of my Kenwood NEXEDGE portables in 6.25k digital. It was weird....Kenwood to Kenwood thru the iDAS repeater always worked fine, Icom to Kenwood always worked, Icom to Icom always worked, but Kenwood to Icom would sometimes cause problems with Icom radios failing to unmute while I was talking with my Kenwood. The Radio Access Number (RAN) was programmed correctly for the repeater and all radios on the system. Setting the Fast Unmute option to ON in the Icom iDAS radios fixed it or at least made the problem (not prolbem) go away. :cool:

Good luck.
 
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oleje

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Hi!

We are about to start learning how to make the best out of the IDAS system. Have bought IDAS repeaters, handhelds and mobile stations and also programming cables.

Have a few points...

1. Does anyone have a manual for this system?
2. Sadly the SW for programming did'nt come together with the cables...
3. We are planning a system with 2 repeaters on different locations with overlapping coverage to extend the total coverage area. The stations is to be connected over TCP/IP. Anyone have a config example for this?
4. Is there any possibility to configure ICOM digital amateur radios to work on IDAS systems?

Thankful to all tips and hint!!!

Ole
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Working on learning this, it my understanding that its has to be idas digital mode in order to link communications between the repeaters. Their is also a network board that might need to be installed in the repeater in order for it to work. Not all versions had this with the first roll out editions. The board features three internet RJ45 type connectors. The one port needs to be connect to the the internet gateway (router or hub) in this case. The configuration is done via TCP/IP and their are multiple steps to this in establishing a ip network for the shared repeaters. I'm in the process of learning this and figuring it out, you can also cross link UHF to VHF and vice versa so if a site operate on UHF they can communicate with a site on VHF. The same is done on the reverse. Let me look over some of the information that was presented to me and maybe I could have some more ideas on how to accomplish this. Soon a few us will have more information on this.

Anybody that has more information please post as I still in the learning curve.
 

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If there's anyone linking iDAS (and doing so over long distance) I'd be curious to talk to you via email.
 

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Anybody out there using iDAS yet? If so, VHF? UHF? Conventional or trunked?

I have a UHF conventional mixed mode up. Converting my other sites one by one. Plan to link all of them over IP. Awesome technology. Very impressed and pleased so far. We just installed one at a local PD and im sure they will be happy.
 

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We have 2 icom - IDAS repeaters in the 70cm ham band in this area.
They both work quite well over analog rptrs.
N9ZAS

You have more info on these ham repeaters? Freqs and RAN? Are they open or private. I live south of you guys but would like to try from my base. Neat to see hams taking interest in this.
 

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If there's anyone linking iDAS (and doing so over long distance) I'd be curious to talk to you via email.

Same here. Id be interested in setting up an administrator talk group thru my 2 uhf sites. Maybe even make arrangements to assist in making my assets available to do a wide area network. I looked at the Push-to-talk group, but dont wanna sign my frequencies off to some guy in nevada.
 

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I'm finishing out the pre-deployment design and buildout of an eight site, 34 repeater IDAS system. (Actually, multiple systems in a cluster.) It will operate in eight different areas and is fully networked, with remote access facilitated by RC-FS10 communicator packages. I can be on another continent
and directly access the system.

At this time Icom says it's the largest single IDAS multisite project yet developed, and it's all mine,
from an engineering standpoint. I've learned a great deal about it over the past few months including
what it doesn't have, but should.

The plan is to change it to a multisite trunking system as soon as Icom releases the multisite trunking firmware and accompanying new revisions of the radio software. Which is supposed to be very soon now.

Elroy
 

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What's your opinion of the RC-FS10 package. I am considering obtaining this to control a few iDAS repeaters we have on the ham bands. Strengths? Weaknesses? Worth the cost?

John




I'm finishing out the pre-deployment design and buildout of an eight site, 34 repeater IDAS system. (Actually, multiple systems in a cluster.) It will operate in eight different areas and is fully networked, with remote access facilitated by RC-FS10 communicator packages. I can be on another continent
and directly access the system.

At this time Icom says it's the largest single IDAS multisite project yet developed, and it's all mine,
from an engineering standpoint. I've learned a great deal about it over the past few months including
what it doesn't have, but should.

The plan is to change it to a multisite trunking system as soon as Icom releases the multisite trunking firmware and accompanying new revisions of the radio software. Which is supposed to be very soon now.

Elroy
 
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