Anytone Tech (aka Baofeng Tech) is deliberately misleading consumers.

[KT0DD]

Archaic laws

Since the public is showing such a demand for these type of radios then it's time for the FCC to modify the certification requirements to allow them. Maybe not at the 50 or 100 watt levels but in reality, what real damage can you do with 10 watts or less? The high level radio manufacturers influenced the FCC for years to keep the market cornered and shut out competition. Time for this to end.

With modern technology, if there is a problem, the transmitter can be pinpointed in less than a minute. Gone are the days with the old triangulation method for locating a transmitter. Satellites and high tech are much better now, and cell service nationwide is pretty good. Most emergency services will primarily use cell phones anyway. In the fringe areas where HT's are needed, there most likely won't be anything to be interfered with.

Motorola/Kenwood hi dollar monoband radios are way overpriced and underfeatured for most people. Of course they're great for a police officer who may have to use one to bash a perp in the head or other extreme service uses, but the majority of people can't justify $1000-$5000 for a top shelf monoband radio. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, the radio better be a combination of an I-phone, a PC and multi-band multi-service radio all rolled into one, waterproof to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss.

And as far as the duty cycle is concerned... Who ever really keys up and talks straight for more than a minute anyway, unless your an HF AM'er. Getting hot enough to melt down or burn my hand for a one minute transmission has never been an issue for me. I have several Chinese models and yes they get a little warmer than the big 3 but none have failed on me yet during TX. Most all HT transmissions I've heard with our local SAR are back and forth, each lasting less than 30-40 seconds exchanging information.

If you need a heavy duty / high duty cycle rig...then buy one. But don't limit the market for others.

 

[AK9R]

I don't think the FCC rules are the problem. The problem is manufacturers and importers who have no real stake in the U.S. market trying to circumvent the FCC rules. The "high level manufacturers", as you put it, have been in the U.S. market for many years and they have established sales, support, and service organizations in this market. They made the investment and I think it's reasonable to expect the new guys to make a similar investment. Not because it will drive the cost up to the established level, but because the customers should demand it. If I'm a firefighter running into a burning building or a boater out on the water with a dead engine, I want my radio to work and I don't want to depend on a manufacturer or importer whose philosophy is "if it fails, throw it away and buy a new one."

As for the possibility of a multi-service radio, there's nothing stopping someone from developing such an animal. But, they have to do it right. GMRS rules specify a set of fixed channels. FRS rules specify a set of fixed channels and narrow bandwidth. MURS rules specify a set of fixed channels and narrow bandwidth on most of those channels. Part 90 rules require operation on a certain well-defined part of the spectrum, narrow bandwidth, and limited front-panel programming. Part 80 rules specify a set of fixed channels. The idea of switching services by re-booting the radio to load a profile specific to that service may seem like a PITA, but that is a viable solution to meeting the rules of the various services and I think the FCC would approve such a radio as long as they were confident that the various profiles met the rules.

 

[gesucks]

"Since the public is showing such a demand for these type of radios then it's time for the FCC to modify the certification requirements to allow them. Maybe not at the 50 or 100 watt levels but in reality, what real damage can you do with 10 watts or less? The high level radio manufacturers influenced the FCC for years to keep the market cornered and shut out competition. Time for this to end."

Since the public is showing a huge demand for heroin we should change the rules on that too? The FCC rules are not based on popular wants but driven by regulatory and technical requirements.

 

[rapidcharger]

what real damage can you do with 10 watts or less?)))

Is that a serious question or are you being sarcastic? Even 1 measly little watt can do a lot to cause malicious interference to mission critical infrastructure.We aren't just talking about gmrs/frs radios. These have a VFO and can easily transmit where they can disrupt public safety radio systems.

The high level radio manufacturers influenced the FCC for years to keep the market cornered and shut out competition. Time for this to end.

I don't really think that is what's going on here. There is nothing to stop other manufacturers from getting in the game and frankly there have never been more of them. What we are talking about are lies and fraud and there is no excuse for lies and fraud. If a Chinese radio came along and had a legitimate application and the device complied with the rules and technical standards, we wouldn't be discussing this. But instead they have come along trying to cheat and find loopholes and deceive buyers.

Motorola/Kenwood hi dollar monoband radios are way overpriced and underfeatured for most people.

What you seem to be forgetting is that those brands paid a fortune to develop their radios and not just rip off someone else's developments. So when you have high development costs you have to charge more for your radios if you want to see a profit and if your stuff keeps getting ripped off, are you going to be likely to develop new stuff with lots of new features?



Anyway, I don't really want to veer off topic but I just wanted to make those points.

 

[ecps92]

+1

Hell, I want a car that can go 500mph all the time, be damned the speed limits and the ever flowing ATM (o yea, thats an EBT Card)

Since the public is showing a huge demand for heroin we should change the rules on that too? The FCC rules are not based on popular wants but driven by regulatory and technical requirements.

Sometimes I begin to wonder about the folks who have memorized the answers vs actually understanding the cause/effect and basic aspects of the hobby


100 Watts, 50 watts, 1 watt, 500mw, all can cause interference.
Now give them free access to dial up any frequency ? Ouch

Is that a serious question or are you being sarcastic? Even 1 measly little watt can do a lot to cause malicious interference to mission critical infrastructure.We aren't just talking about gmrs/frs radios. These have a VFO and can easily transmit where they can disrupt public safety radio systems. .

 

[KT0DD]

"Since the public is showing such a demand for these type of radios then it's time for the FCC to modify the certification requirements to allow them. Maybe not at the 50 or 100 watt levels but in reality, what real damage can you do with 10 watts or less? The high level radio manufacturers influenced the FCC for years to keep the market cornered and shut out competition. Time for this to end."

Since the public is showing a huge demand for heroin we should change the rules on that too? The FCC rules are not based on popular wants but driven by regulatory and technical requirements.

A little over the top...You don't inject a radio into your bloodstream or snort one.

 

[KT0DD]

Is that a serious question or are you being sarcastic? Even 1 measly little watt can do a lot to cause malicious interference to mission critical infrastructure.We aren't just talking about gmrs/frs radios. These have a VFO and can easily transmit where they can disrupt public safety radio systems.



I don't really think that is what's going on here. There is nothing to stop other manufacturers from getting in the game and frankly there have never been more of them. What we are talking about are lies and fraud and there is no excuse for lies and fraud. If a Chinese radio came along and had a legitimate application and the device complied with the rules and technical standards, we wouldn't be discussing this. But instead they have come along trying to cheat and find loopholes and deceive buyers.



What you seem to be forgetting is that those brands paid a fortune to develop their radios and not just rip off someone else's developments. So when you have high development costs you have to charge more for your radios if you want to see a profit and if your stuff keeps getting ripped off, are you going to be likely to develop new stuff with lots of new features?



Anyway, I don't really want to veer off topic but I just wanted to make those points.

I don't know how to do the multi-quote so I will answer 1,2,3.

1. Most public safety services have moved to the 800mhz digitally encrypted services and combine that with cell phones. And if there is interference, time to use that high tech location I mentioned previously. There may be smaller communities still on the older analog VHF/UHF systems but I have yet to hear of any dying because of radio interference to serious mission ops. I'm sure they have cellphones too. The situation at hand can be dealt with and the perp found later. If you don't plan for these kind of contingincies, your emergency services aren't very well prepared. Also lab tests have shown these radios to be cleaner than some hacked ham rigs used in Part 90. It helps cut down on radio modders.

2. Then why hasn't government and customs put a stop to it? They don't seem to be too concerned. And why haven't the big boys given us a competitive offering that meets the criteria? Corporate conceit? They're too good for that? At least Alinco is testing the waters with their new DR-638 Part 90 rig.

3. Over the companies lifetime, especially with all the billion dollar government contracts, they have more tham made up for any R & D costs. And any new offerings usually have recovery of R & D factored into the price. They're not getting hurt much if at all.

It seems that a lot of amateur ops still have the cold war era mentality when it comes to new ideas. The dropping of morse code was supposed to be the doom of ham radio, yet we are at record levels of licensed hams. Now, heaven help us...technology is advancing with new combo radios...we can't have that. There's laws against it.

 

[KT0DD]

"Since the public is showing such a demand for these type of radios then it's time for the FCC to modify the certification requirements to allow them. Maybe not at the 50 or 100 watt levels but in reality, what real damage can you do with 10 watts or less? The high level radio manufacturers influenced the FCC for years to keep the market cornered and shut out competition. Time for this to end."

Since the public is showing a huge demand for heroin we should change the rules on that too? The FCC rules are not based on popular wants but driven by regulatory and technical requirements.

That's a little over the top. You don't inject or snort a radio into your bloodstream.

Regulatory and technical requirements are constantly evolving with advances in technology. EMS / Police / Fire have mostly moved to 800mhz digital encryption. opportunities for potential interference to these services are almost non existent.

Now if the Chinese try to import a 800mhz digitally encrypted radio for $49.95, I would probably be against it.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

I don't know how to do the multi-quote so I will answer 1,2,3.



1. Most public safety services have moved to the 800mhz digitally encrypted services and combine that with cell phones. And if there is interference, time to use that high tech location I mentioned previously. There may be smaller communities still on the older analog VHF/UHF systems but I have yet to hear of any dying because of radio interference to serious mission ops. I'm sure they have cellphones too. The situation at hand can be dealt with and the perp found later. If you don't plan for these kind of contingincies, your emergency services aren't very well prepared. Also lab tests have shown these radios to be cleaner than some hacked ham rigs used in Part 90. It helps cut down on radio modders.



2. Then why hasn't government and customs put a stop to it? They don't seem to be too concerned. And why haven't the big boys given us a competitive offering that meets the criteria? Corporate conceit? They're too good for that? At least Alinco is testing the waters with their new DR-638 Part 90 rig.



3. Over the companies lifetime, especially with all the billion dollar government contracts, they have more tham made up for any R & D costs. And any new offerings usually have recovery of R & D factored into the price. They're not getting hurt much if at all.



It seems that a lot of amateur ops still have the cold war era mentality when it comes to new ideas. The dropping of morse code was supposed to be the doom of ham radio, yet we are at record levels of licensed hams. Now, heaven help us...technology is advancing with new combo radios...we can't have that. There's laws against it.

A) Where public safety is completely depends on location. For example colorado state troopers have a UHF statewide system. Texas DPS runs almost entirely vhf, as does TxDOT and most county agencies etc.

B) Public safety generally buys the name. It's like buying the brand of vehicle you prefer, even if they are higher than a competitor. So the multi-million dollar systems are where the money is at. What's a handful of those to a few hundred thousand in possible losses from a Chinese competitors?




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[teufler]

All of this reminds me of the reactions to the Wilson WH 2510, I think that was the number. Back with the truck mount radiuos were all the fad. Wilson came along with a dash mount, front panel radio, that if ir left the radio shop in the wrong mode, could be programmed and operated in a vfo mode. Great concept, good radio, but if the program wire was left connected, it offered all kinds of capabilities. Motorola and GE went through the roof, Finally the FCC stepped in. Now the Anytone can have functions shut off in programmng so the HT is limited. It can be channel only, no vfo, and only what the radio programmer offers. Seems a Flexible radio design is only a consumer desire, not a radio shop desire. Radio shops, for a price will solve all our problems.

 

[KT0DD]

I almost forgot that there is a legitimate use for the Anytone radios.

In an emergency where there is immediate and serious danger to life and or property, any radio service and equipment can be used by any licensed or unlicensed operator to obtain help. It's in the FCC rules although my wording isn't exact. But it better be a serious emergency with no other form of communication (aka-cellphone etc.) available or there could be a problem.

So if I hear a call from a hunter who just accidentally shot himself in the leg, these radios are legal to use to help him out if it's all we've got. Many hunters carry bubble pack GMRS/FRS radios and I'm sure some now have Anytones.

The Wouxun KG-UV6D is my primary emergency radio as there's no question it's certified. It's set to Ham 70cm and our local SAR VHF direct freq. I do not TX at all on SAR direct unless I am directly involved with an operation and have checked in with the mission commander. Thankfully I haven't had to be called upon yet.

I carry a Baofeng BF-F8HP as backup and it's set to monitor GMRS/FRS. I don't use it for standard GMRS/FRS TX at all but it's there if I need it in a legitimate emergency. I don't mess with MURS as too many businesses and intercoms are on it around here. Plenty of availability for someone else to hear a distress call there.

 

[teufler]

Most who use an Anytone radio, will have to carry a book because most do not remember how to get the radio into GMRS or the MURS mode.. Now the other Chinese radios and several Japanese radios , you can program in to normal channels, the FRS/GMRS AND MURS and any frequency on vhf and uhf, not near the heated arguments ever developed.

 

[rapidcharger]

I don't know how to do the multi-quote so I will answer 1,2,3.

1. Most public safety services have moved to the 800mhz digitally encrypted services and combine that with cell phones. And if there is interference, time to use that high tech location I mentioned previously. There may be smaller communities still on the older analog VHF/UHF systems but I have yet to hear of any dying because of radio interference to serious mission ops.


2. Then why hasn't government and customs put a stop to it? They don't seem to be too concerned. And why haven't the big boys given us a competitive offering that meets the criteria? Corporate conceit? They're too good for that? At least Alinco is testing the waters with their new DR-638 Part 90 rig.

3. Over the companies lifetime, especially with all the billion dollar government contracts, they have more tham made up for any R & D costs. And any new offerings usually have recovery of R & D factored into the price. They're not getting hurt much if at all.

It seems that a lot of amateur ops still have the cold war era mentality when it comes to new ideas. The dropping of morse code was supposed to be the doom of ham radio, yet we are at record levels of licensed hams. Now, heaven help us...technology is advancing with new combo radios...we can't have that. There's laws against it.

I almost forgot that there is a legitimate use for the Anytone radios.

In an emergency where there is immediate and serious danger to life and or property, any radio service and equipment can be used by any licensed or unlicensed operator to obtain help. It's in the FCC rules although my wording isn't exact. But it better be a serious emergency with no other form of communication (aka-cellphone etc.) available or there could be a problem.

So if I hear a call from a hunter who just accidentally shot himself in the leg, these radios are legal to use to help him out if it's all we've got. Many hunters carry bubble pack GMRS/FRS radios and I'm sure some now have Anytones.

The Wouxun KG-UV6D is my primary emergency radio as there's no question it's certified. It's set to Ham 70cm and our local SAR VHF direct freq. I do not TX at all on SAR direct unless I am directly involved with an operation and have checked in with the mission commander. Thankfully I haven't had to be called upon yet.

I carry a Baofeng BF-F8HP as backup and it's set to monitor GMRS/FRS. I don't use it for standard GMRS/FRS TX at all but it's there if I need it in a legitimate emergency. I don't mess with MURS as too many businesses and intercoms are on it around here. Plenty of availability for someone else to hear a distress call there.

You've covered a lot of topics that we have discussed ad infinitum on the forums and these are subjects that could easily steer the thread into locked land. I want very badly to reply to those items but what I want even more is for this thread to stay on topic and not make the moderators mad. So we'll have to leave it with you getting the last word. But I did read your replies but still have the same issues with the product at hand which is that the importer has lied and used deception.

 

[KT0DD]

Problem Solving in process....

I just emailed AnyTone Tech. Here's my email.

To Anytone Tech

RE: TERMN-8R Link to Problem

You may want to read this. Personally I don’t care but you might need to be aware of this for legal liability purposes.

Link: http://forums.radioreference.com/bu...tely-misleading-consumers-6.html?#post2376794

Todd - KT0DD


And here's their reply:


Todd


We are aware, thank you for double checking.


A FCC grant will soon silence the two instigators.


Thank you for reaching out! Have a great week


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Guess they're working on it and It will soon be solved.

Enough said on the topic. 73.

Todd - KT0DD

 

[KD8DVR]

I almost forgot that there is a legitimate use for the Anytone radios.

In an emergency where there is immediate and serious danger to life and or property, any radio service and equipment can be used by any licensed or unlicensed operator to obtain help. It's in the FCC rules although my wording isn't exact. But it better be a serious emergency with no other form of communication (aka-cellphone etc.) available or there could be a problem.

So if I hear a call from a hunter who just accidentally shot himself in the leg, these radios are legal to use to help him out if it's all we've got. Many hunters carry bubble pack GMRS/FRS radios and I'm sure some now have Anytones.

The Wouxun KG-UV6D is my primary emergency radio as there's no question it's certified. It's set to Ham 70cm and our local SAR VHF direct freq. I do not TX at all on SAR direct unless I am directly involved with an operation and have checked in with the mission commander. Thankfully I haven't had to be called upon yet.

I carry a Baofeng BF-F8HP as backup and it's set to monitor GMRS/FRS. I don't use it for standard GMRS/FRS TX at all but it's there if I need it in a legitimate emergency. I don't mess with MURS as too many businesses and intercoms are on it around here. Plenty of availability for someone else to hear a distress call there.

Incorrect. The only FCC rule is in Part 97 which only covers licensed Amateur Radio Operators.

The emergency rule ONLY applies to licensed amateur radio operators! This allows any licensed amateur radio operator to use any *amateur* frequency, regardless of license class in an emergency. You will notice that rule is in Part 97, which only applies to licensed amateur radio operators. There has been a lot of discussion on this. Most of it is total fiction. NO private citizen can use any radio frequency in an Emergency! ONLY licensed hams can do this to operate outside of the frequency limits imposed by license class restrictions WITHIN Amateur radio bands.


§ 97.403 Safety of life and protection of property. No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available.

It also looks like Part 90 Commercial LICENSEES also have this rule within part 90 services:

§ 90.417 Interstation communication.
(a) Any station licensed under this part may communicate with any other station without restriction as to type, service, or licensee when the communications involved relate directly to the imminent safety-of-life or property.
(b) Any station licensed under this part may communicate with any other station licensed under this part, with U.S. Government stations, and with foreign stations, in connection with mutual activities, provided that where the communication involves foreign stations prior approval of the Commission must be obtained, and such communication must be permitted by the government that authorizes the foreign station. Communications by Public Safety Pool eligibles with foreign stations will be approved only to be conducted in accordance with Article 5 of the Inter-American Radio Agreement, Washington, DC, 1949, the provisions of which are set forth in § 90.20(b).

 

[KT0DD]

Ok, my mistake...but emergency use on two services that the radio is capable of transmitting on still gives it a legitimate usage.

Besides, on the rare occurrence that I might actually save someone's life by obtaining help or evacuation from talking to someone on an unlicensed service (and they talk back to me) I really don't think any judge in his right mind is going to object.

As was posted earlier...they are waiting on the proper grant from the FCC.

 

[MTS2000des]

A FCC grant will soon silence the two instigators.
Guess they're working on it and It will soon be solved.

That's a load of crap. Instigators? Hey "AnyTone Tech", I'll ask this again, since apparently your still shoveling your turd loads...

The radios you are currently offering on Amazon.com have FCC ID labels that show invalid FCC ID numbers...at least the ones that have been purchased, so...you were also warned to cease and desist the marketing of such radios to the general public by the FCC yet your scofflaw attitude demonstrates that you are not interested in compliance, only in getting money out of consumers by intentionally misleading them.

You're silence on these forums speaks volumes. If you were a legitimate firm, you wouldn't be hiding behind web forms and generic Google maps that lead to a post office in a town that has never heard of your company, or so they told me personally two months ago when I called.

Legitimate companies stand behind their claims and don't tell fibs to regulatory agencies nor play games with hiding their company location.

Legitimate companies would address these valid consumer concerns on their website, would be proactive on social media not banning users who ask legitimate questions, and would be proactive in addressing consumer issues.

This is the same company who spent a ton of money hyping up a product on this and many web forum as being a "game changer" so I am perplexed at their silence when it comes to what is a major issue with their product.

One has to consider, if one tells a lie once, they can no longer be trusted but to tell a lie again.

As was posted earlier...they are waiting on the proper grant from the FCC.

You're missing the point. They already attempted to pull one over on the FCC which is why the grants were DISMISSED. Did you read the letter at all on the OET website? Once an FCC ID is DISMISSED it CANNOT BE USED AGAIN.

This means that the radios with those FCC ID's are NOT CERTIFIED. Think logically. It's no different than your vehicle registration being suspended or revoked. Your license plate can have a "valid thru" sticker till next year, but if the cops run the tag and it shows SUSPENDED/REVOKED, you're gonna get it impounded.

The "cops" in this case, the FCC, have already WARNED Anytone Tech to not market these radios to the general public.

Even IF they correct the problems with their OET grant, the product will have to be re-submitted and re-certified and will thus be issued a NEW and totally different FCC ID number.

Existing products would have to be returned to the manufacturer to get the correct certification label affixed.

But I would not hold my breath for this.

 

[toastycookies]

As was posted earlier...they are waiting on the proper grant from the FCC.

Doesn't seem like they are waiting for anything.
They are still shipping the radios with a FCC cert sticker even though one does not exist...

 

[gesucks]

KT0DD, this statement right here really shows how much you have no idea what you are talking about.

"EMS / Police / Fire have mostly moved to 800mhz digital encryption. opportunities for potential interference to these services are almost non existent."

Thank you for posting that, that is exactly what I needed to decide to block you and not have to see your baseless, factless opinions anymore!

 

[toastycookies]

That's a load of crap. Instigators? Hey "AnyTone Tech", I'll ask this again, since apparently your still shoveling your turd loads...

I believe they meant nstig-8r's