NCIC105
Feed Provider
If I can come up with a way to do this on my end then RR would not have to make any changes.....
Audio Delay
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If any feed provider is struggling with the moral dilemma of hosting a real-time feed, based on what they believe is an officer safety issue or they are getting pressured or harassed from local officials or officers...then hosting a feed is probably not for you. Spare yourself the agony of struggling with this decision and worrying about having a guilty conscience should something bad happen which you believe your feed contributed to, and throw in the towel. Hosting these feeds is not for everyone, although you wouldn't know that by the sheer volume of feeds on this site (many of which are of such poor quality, they have no business wasting bandwidth...a shame there is no quality control in place to weed them out)
That being said, perhaps there is a way to implement a system where the feed doesn't stream at all, but rather the archives are readily available as per normal. This would by its very nature implement an automatic 30+ minute delay, and seems like a good compromise that can be easily put into place within the bounds of the way the system is currently setup.
That being said, perhaps there is a way to implement a system where the feed doesn't stream at all, but rather the archives are readily available as per normal. This would by its very nature implement an automatic 30+ minute delay, and seems like a good compromise that can be easily put into place within the bounds of the way the system is currently setup.
My apologies if this stuff has been covered before...
I was wondering if anyone here is law enforcement and if so, I would love to hear their opinion on live feeds. Or if anyone not in enforcement has spoken to a friend/family member that is "on the job", and what they think.
I was also wondering the benefits of an anonymous feed and why people use that feature.
I was wondering if anyone here is law enforcement and if so, I would love to hear their opinion on live feeds. Or if anyone not in enforcement has spoken to a friend/family member that is "on the job", and what they think.
I was also wondering the benefits of an anonymous feed and why people use that feature.
If your policy is that there is only one feed for a specific agency, and the new feed would be a duplicate, except for the delay factor, then I'd say deny the "real time" feed. If, as with present policy, there is something different about the proposed non-delayed feed, then I guess you'd allow it.
I don't like the fact one person can stream a feed of a single dedicated (dispatch) channel and someone else can come along and stream essentially the same thing but perhaps put LE in one channel (of a stereo feed) or scan two channels to get around the rule. But that's a different topic than of this thread.
This is actually very simple software and something I could easily write, but paid work has to come first. I would simply capture the packet and spool to memory/disc with a specified delay. I believe this would even easier to implement as a task directly within ScannerCast (as an option).webstar2 said:
NCIC105
Feed Provider
As my nick would indicate I was LEO. retired about 5 years ago.....I have no problem with scanners but would like to see the time delay I have mentioned for safety and so as not to tip the bad guy's off.
Did you see much scanner use during the commission of a crime? What kind of crimes are the mutts in your neck of the woods using scanners for?
How much of a delay do you think I should add to the feeds?
Sorry for all the questions, thanks.
There are some people with the moral dilemma but also some who have the blessing of there local PD etc.. that they can stream as long as there is a delay in place.
I have not personally experienced people using scanners in the commission of a crime, but my coworkers have.
What I experience (several times a week) is people chasing calls to go sightsee, and they end up getting in the way. They've flat out told me they use radioreference.com feeds to get the tipoff. For that reason, I will not stream main dispatch channels without a delay. I'd be happy with 10-15 minutes. As a public safety professional, I don't care if individuals want to listen- I just don't want them interfering. Actually, I want the public to know what we do. That way they know what we do, how busy we are, the type of things we deal with and why we ask for new equipment, gear, employees... and maybe they'll support us in return.
Also, I will not pay to add a delay. This stream is here for the pleasure of others, not mine. I've already invested enough in the scanner, refurbishing a dedicated computer, UPS, cables, additional network gear and so on.
If I can get a delay, at no cost, I will have a new digital TRS police/fire feed up as soon as RR approves it and I can install a new sound card.
What I experience (several times a week) is people chasing calls to go sightsee, and they end up getting in the way. They've flat out told me they use radioreference.com feeds to get the tipoff. For that reason, I will not stream main dispatch channels without a delay. I'd be happy with 10-15 minutes. As a public safety professional, I don't care if individuals want to listen- I just don't want them interfering. Actually, I want the public to know what we do. That way they know what we do, how busy we are, the type of things we deal with and why we ask for new equipment, gear, employees... and maybe they'll support us in return.
Also, I will not pay to add a delay. This stream is here for the pleasure of others, not mine. I've already invested enough in the scanner, refurbishing a dedicated computer, UPS, cables, additional network gear and so on.
If I can get a delay, at no cost, I will have a new digital TRS police/fire feed up as soon as RR approves it and I can install a new sound card.
Have your coworkers actually caught people in a criminal act and with a cell phone receiving online feeds? If so, was an arrest made?
ffexpCP;1419644What I experience (several times a week) is people chasing calls to go sightsee said:
I can see where that could become a problem, especially if they are in the way. Is crime scene sightseeing a criminal act in your state? If not, what about if the person in question uses a scanner, or cell phone tuned to online feeds as you describe, does that change it to a criminal offense? If so, have you made arrests for this and are your coworkers also making arrests?
I would love to see real world numbers and what people are using scanners and online feeds for. Especially if they are abusing them. I just can't find any real data. Maybe it's too early in the phenomenon?
Thanks for the reply.
Criminal acts were taking place, and they were caught listening. However, others involved were not caught at the time as a result of their listening.
and yes, arrests have been made...
A delay would reduce or eliminate the chance for someone to get away, and greatly aid in taking care of the sightseers. Sure, they could still get a scanner, but they don't because of the cost and the hassle of programming. And yes, they've told me this too...
I'm just thankful the feed they are using has so much crap being scanned on it that they miss a good portion of the calls.
I think I understand you, and if I do, I will be able to research these arrests and have a more informed opinion on feed delay. I appreciate the info.
Where in Michigan were these arrests made and is that where you are on the job?
It sure sounds like you have some really helpful, cooperative criminals up there. If only they were all so forthcoming with intelligence.
Thanks again!
NCIC105
Feed Provider
No problem...Five years ago you did not see all the cell phone monitoring scanner traffic...Since I was in the Narc unit we used encryption or cell phone for most of our traffic....You did see some thugs with scanners but that was not the typical. Some of the bikers utilized scanners at there residence or club house so they may get early warnings.
I think 30 min would be adequate.
If I can software drive from my side I would be willing to do that as I have a Windows Vista PC that does nothing but stream the audio......
30 mins. seems a bit silly. I mean the average call from dispatch to arriving on scene is far less then that in NY. This is an (educated by listening) guess, but an "in progress" job is probably less then 5 mins before multiple cars are pulling up.
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"Average citywide response times rose by 4 seconds to 4 minutes and 10 seconds. Response times in Staten Island decreased an average 7 seconds, but its precincts had among the city's slowest response times in the city at over 5 minutes."
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6768897
Appears to be at possibly 2 year old info.
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"Average citywide response times rose by 4 seconds to 4 minutes and 10 seconds. Response times in Staten Island decreased an average 7 seconds, but its precincts had among the city's slowest response times in the city at over 5 minutes."
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6768897
Appears to be at possibly 2 year old info.
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NCIC105
Feed Provider
Car chase, Foot chase, K-9 called out and on scene....45 minutes to hours..even in NY.
Again - during a foot chase, how many times has the suspect been running with his iPhone glued to the ear?
NCIC105 said:
Ummmm, no. Not in NY. Not 45 minutes, not hours for ANY call. disregarding the dispatch and final, it's all on cell phones.
There are no car chases in NY, not that last more then 5 mins (call it off, set up a perimeter). You are way off here.
Yeah, I think we are no longer talking about a delay for safety.
KAM101
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I been following this thread for a while, I'm not an LEO, just a regular guy with a radio communications hobby.
I would like to see a delay of about 10 - 15 minutes, I think is quite sufficient to catch anyone in the act of crime and even sightseer's but there should be no option as who gets delay and who doesn't.
It should be setup on the RR server side so it's fair game for every feed provider, after all, this is only providing entertainment for regular folk sitting at home on their pc and a few cel phone listeners. Why do we need real-time feeds?
My recommendation is, if people don't like the delay, buy a scanner, end of story.
And hopefully no one gets hurt.
I would like to see a delay of about 10 - 15 minutes, I think is quite sufficient to catch anyone in the act of crime and even sightseer's but there should be no option as who gets delay and who doesn't.
It should be setup on the RR server side so it's fair game for every feed provider, after all, this is only providing entertainment for regular folk sitting at home on their pc and a few cel phone listeners. Why do we need real-time feeds?
My recommendation is, if people don't like the delay, buy a scanner, end of story.
And hopefully no one gets hurt.
It's not "fair game" for all, nor is it only providing entertainment. That's not a very viable idea.
How many people have been hurt so far?
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