Avondale PD
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You need to be somewhat near 83rd avenue and Peoria, and you need to have RWC Simulcast G in your scanner, with TGID 4499. Some scanners are HORRIBLE for this particular system (GRE PSR-800 is just awful) for whatever reason. My BCD396XT and PRO-106 do OK, but the closer you are to that location the better. If you are like East Phoenix or something, forget about it.
At my office on the Salt River reservation I'm able to pick up Avondale with my Pro-106 maybe once a month. Sometimes it comes in better than the tribal police. Go figure
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Any luck with Avondale? Having the same problem with Pro-96.
Phoenix805
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just a thought.....
I have simulcast G in my GRE-500 scanner and I get excellent reception near 43 Ave & Northern. (Fire Dispatch, Phoenix PD 900, and Glendale PD are main main listening concerns.) I had Avondale PD in, but deleted them as I'm not really interested in them. I don't remember ever getting a lot of 'hits' on Avondale. I wonder if they just don't have a lot of radio traffic, or if they still use old radios a lot and haven't fully changed over. I think I'll put them back in and see how many hits I get in a week or so.
From what I can see, it looks like simulcast G uses towers at 83 & Peoria, 75th & Greenway, and Lake Pleasant. Seems like it would make more sense to use another simulcast group that has towers in the SW valley.
I have simulcast G in my GRE-500 scanner and I get excellent reception near 43 Ave & Northern. (Fire Dispatch, Phoenix PD 900, and Glendale PD are main main listening concerns.) I had Avondale PD in, but deleted them as I'm not really interested in them. I don't remember ever getting a lot of 'hits' on Avondale. I wonder if they just don't have a lot of radio traffic, or if they still use old radios a lot and haven't fully changed over. I think I'll put them back in and see how many hits I get in a week or so.
From what I can see, it looks like simulcast G uses towers at 83 & Peoria, 75th & Greenway, and Lake Pleasant. Seems like it would make more sense to use another simulcast group that has towers in the SW valley.
Have you actually taken a scanner near the Greenway or lake pleasant location to see if those are really sites? I ask because I have driven around most of Glendale and have never observed full scale signal anywhere but near the 83rd and Peoria location, though I know things may have changed recently. Come to think of it, I have noticed a BIG decrease in reception quality at my location near 47th avenue and Bell road, so maybe this is fairly recent. It does make sense for a simulcast to have more than one site right?
That said you make an EXCELLENT point. Why on EARTH was this system really needed? The White tanks site could have easily covered every inch of Glendale without any issue. Sometimes I really feel that these government bureaucrats just enjoying finding new ways to spend money. Of course I know there are details that I don't have, so I don't really know, but I would love to understand.
Phoenix805
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<It does make sense for a simulcast to have more than one site right?>
That's my understanding, they call it simulcast because they simultaneously broadcast from multiple locations.
According to the licensing information, G uses 5 sites, the three I mentioned, another one at 95 Ave & Lone Mountain Pky in the far NW valley, and one at the Quintero Golf Course, about 10 miles west of Lake Pleasant. But I have found mistakes and discrepancies in this info, so I can't confirm it's accurate.
I had this brilliant idea awhile ago to drive out to the Greenway site and check signal strength there, but then I realized I get a strong signal (5 bars) at my house, I'd get 5 bars there too, but wouldn't know if it was from the Peoria site or the Greenway site. I think I'll try to turn my attenuator on then maybe I can better check levels in different areas.
<Sometimes I really feel that these government bureaucrats just enjoying finding new ways to spend money. >
LOL!
<Of course I know there are details that I don't have, so I don't really know, but I would love to understand. >
Yeah, me too.
That's my understanding, they call it simulcast because they simultaneously broadcast from multiple locations.
According to the licensing information, G uses 5 sites, the three I mentioned, another one at 95 Ave & Lone Mountain Pky in the far NW valley, and one at the Quintero Golf Course, about 10 miles west of Lake Pleasant. But I have found mistakes and discrepancies in this info, so I can't confirm it's accurate.
I had this brilliant idea awhile ago to drive out to the Greenway site and check signal strength there, but then I realized I get a strong signal (5 bars) at my house, I'd get 5 bars there too, but wouldn't know if it was from the Peoria site or the Greenway site. I think I'll try to turn my attenuator on then maybe I can better check levels in different areas.
<Sometimes I really feel that these government bureaucrats just enjoying finding new ways to spend money. >
LOL!
<Of course I know there are details that I don't have, so I don't really know, but I would love to understand. >
Yeah, me too.
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The Quintero sub-division should have it's own IntelliRepeater (IR) site. 772.06875, 772.31875, 772.56875 and 772.81875.
4499 and 4498 are both clear voice TG's for Avondale. I *think* APD divided the city, and the TG's, into West and East sides.
The Quintero sub-division should have it's own IntelliRepeater (IR) site. 772.06875, 772.31875, 772.56875 and 772.81875.
4499 and 4498 are both clear voice TG's for Avondale. I *think* APD divided the city, and the TG's, into West and East sides.
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83rd & Peoria would actually be the PD station at 83rd & Cameron (?, 1 block south of Monroe). 75th & Greenway would be the water treatment plant just east of there, or perhaps at the stadium just west, but that'd probably be closer to 83rd & Stadium Dr.
83rd & Peoria would actually be the PD station at 83rd & Cameron (?, 1 block south of Monroe). 75th & Greenway would be the water treatment plant just east of there, or perhaps at the stadium just west, but that'd probably be closer to 83rd & Stadium Dr.
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The old Simulcast E had a site at the stadium, IIRC. I don't know what's at 95th and Lone Mountain Pkwy.
The old Simulcast E had a site at the stadium, IIRC. I don't know what's at 95th and Lone Mountain Pkwy.
Phoenix805
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There's a huge tower at the treatment plant at 7300 W Greenway. I assume that has the silulcast G transmitter on it, but like always, I don't know that for a fact.
I turned on my attenuator and changed my multi-site to Roam. I'm curious to see what if any difference that makes. I also put Avondale (4499) back in. I didn't see your comment about 4498 until after the fact.
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I really wish the RWC master list could be released. I'd like to see: 1) every TG; 2) it's designation; 3) clear or encrypted; 4) what simulcast(s) and IR('s) it works on. I don't know why all that info has to be kept confidential.
I really wish the RWC master list could be released. I'd like to see: 1) every TG; 2) it's designation; 3) clear or encrypted; 4) what simulcast(s) and IR('s) it works on. I don't know why all that info has to be kept confidential.
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I mean, encrypted is encrypted. What's the harm in knowing who uses it? And clear is clear, given enough time, it's going to be figured out. Just remove the mystery already lol
And the same for the TOPAZ RWC, the Maricopa County system, the YRCS, etc.
I mean, encrypted is encrypted. What's the harm in knowing who uses it? And clear is clear, given enough time, it's going to be figured out. Just remove the mystery already lol
And the same for the TOPAZ RWC, the Maricopa County system, the YRCS, etc.
Phoenix805
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I just discovered there's a tower in the RWC system at 11328 W. Buckeye Rd. (Avondale Rd. & Buckeye). I don't know enough about the system to know if it's a 'standard' site, or an intellirepeater, But I would assume it's probably used by Avondale PD. That would make more sense then having them work off the Peoria antenna.
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Is it a Simulcast G site or Simulcast J site? Search the AZ forum for Simulcast J, someone confirmed the (4?) active sites some time ago.
IIRC, the Estrella IR was decomissioned, and Simulcast J took its' place.
Is it a Simulcast G site or Simulcast J site? Search the AZ forum for Simulcast J, someone confirmed the (4?) active sites some time ago.
IIRC, the Estrella IR was decomissioned, and Simulcast J took its' place.
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Phoenix805
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Hmmm, I show J as having 4 towers, one NW of the White Tanks (?), one near I-10 and Rt 85, and two west of the Estrellas. I'll do a little more digging and see if I can come up with anything new/different.
On another note:
I put Avondale PD in (both 4498 & 4499). So far I've had about 100 hits on 4499 and exactly 0 on 4498, so I doubt they're being used equally as in W/side - E/side.
Also with my attenuator on, I get full meter (5 bars) when receiving Glendale, and about 3.5 to 4 bars when receiving Avondale, so they must be using a different transmitter/antenna site.
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NW of the White Tanks would be a sub-division on the Sun Valley Parkway. Bell Rd becomes SVP at about 171st Ave or so. (Buckeye and Surprise are neighboring cities up there.) SVP then runs around to the west side of the park, then south to I-10.
NW of the White Tanks would be a sub-division on the Sun Valley Parkway. Bell Rd becomes SVP at about 171st Ave or so. (Buckeye and Surprise are neighboring cities up there.) SVP then runs around to the west side of the park, then south to I-10.
aensr
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Avondale is on RWC System G which has 8 sites all transmit the same data and information. Trunk Group 4499 and 4498 and both allowed to use System G but are currently denied on System J. Only Buckeye PD is currently allowed to use System J. Not even the fire are on System J. You are correct there are Four working towers or sites on System J.
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Buckeye FD and Buckeye Valley FD not being allowed to use K-deck TG's on J would explain why they still use A-9 for all calls, even EMS.
Although I could have sworn I recently heard them assigned K-9 for a call...
Buckeye FD and Buckeye Valley FD not being allowed to use K-deck TG's on J would explain why they still use A-9 for all calls, even EMS.
Although I could have sworn I recently heard them assigned K-9 for a call...
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