AWIN Discussion

[drbeede]

From what I am told the original talkgroup 13001 will be OEM talkgroup. Will be used for for interop between agencies, etc. SO will have their own talkgroup and Pocahontas Police and Fire are transitioning to AWIN as well.

That would not make much sense to give a Phase 1 talkgroup to an agency whenever they are adding new Phase 2 talkgroups all the time I just got another hit on my scanner but didn't catch who was talking another phase 2 talkgroup off the site in Randolph County, they are upgrading not downgrading, who told you this info about the OEM? Pocahontas Police are already using AWIN, fire will be next, may even be the one my scanner caught I'll have to monitor more to know for sure though. the reason I said that about the phase one talkgroup is because AWIN will not add any new radios for Phase one operation to the system so fire and OEM will have to have Phase 2 capable radios.

 

[drbeede]

The phase 1 radios from the Sheriff's department can not be simply given to OEM for use on Talkgroup 13001 as the Sheriff Department would be personally responsable for the use of all those radios. I know I wouldn't except that responsablility if I was the Sheriff, just saying, plus those radio ID's are issued to Sheriff department not OEM personal.

Back in 2017 AWIN is no longer issuing IDs for P25 Phase 1/FDMA radios.

Info here about the Phase 1 radios: https://www.dps.arkansas.gov/wp-con...t-2021-Do-This-When-Discarding-Old-Radios.pdf

 

[drbeede]

Each agency has to sign an AWIN agreement and be issued radio ID's of their own and as of 2017 Phase 2 TDMA radios only will be issued ID's.

 

[drbeede]

From what I am told the original talkgroup 13001 will be OEM talkgroup. Will be used for for interop between agencies, etc. SO will have their own talkgroup and Pocahontas Police and Fire are transitioning to AWIN as well.

Sheriff Dispatch is TG 53743, Pocahontas Police Dispatch is TG 53794, Both of those are TDMA P25 Phase 2 Talkgroups, the OEM and Fire will get TDMA Phase 2 Talgroups of their own or maybe a combined Talkgroup, All agencies in Randolph County are eventually supposed to move to AWIN from what has been on the internet and TV their was a news cast on KAIT 8 about it way back on upgrading the entire county. That news cast was posted in the forum somewhere I would have to look for it.

 

[pepper33]

The phase 1 radios from the Sheriff's department can not be simply given to OEM for use on Talkgroup 13001 as the Sheriff Department would be personally responsable for the use of all those radios. I know I wouldn't except that responsablility if I was the Sheriff, just saying, plus those radio ID's are issued to Sheriff department not OEM personal.

Back in 2017 AWIN is no longer issuing IDs for P25 Phase 1/FDMA radios.

Info here about the Phase 1 radios: https://www.dps.arkansas.gov/wp-con...t-2021-Do-This-When-Discarding-Old-Radios.pdf

I The 13001 talk group is a FDMA talk group. It was issued to the county years ago. Many counties in Arkansas have just one talk group and it is issued to the OEM of the county for command and control. Mainly for like the county officials to coordinate. It is for part time use only and cannot have excessive radio traffic. The sheriffs department wanted to move to full time use on the AWIN system so they had to apply for a new full time talk group. Pocahontas PD is doing the same. The OEM talk group everyone will still have in their radio but it’s for interop and command and control that’s the original purpose.

I am a firefighter and work for local emergency management and work with several counties in NEA closely. I try my very best to keep the forum updated as I have always been a scanner enthusiast myself.

 

[INDY72]

Also, any tg can be made onto an TDMA only one by a simple tapping on a keyboard using the CPS. Then using RM, it can be updated by OTAP, or by touch for the radios using it. Same for the change of a user. The RID can be reassigned in the system. It's not as hard as some make it out to be. During the upgrade cycle, as old radios are killed in the software, those TG can be simply assigned to new radios also. Again, it's not that hard.

 

[drbeede]

I The 13001 talk group is a FDMA talk group. It was issued to the county years ago. Many counties in Arkansas have just one talk group and it is issued to the OEM of the county for command and control. Mainly for like the county officials to coordinate. It is for part time use only and cannot have excessive radio traffic. The sheriffs department wanted to move to full time use on the AWIN system so they had to apply for a new full time talk group. Pocahontas PD is doing the same. The OEM talk group everyone will still have in their radio but it’s for interop and command and control that’s the original purpose.

I am a firefighter and work for local emergency management and work with several counties in NEA closely. I try my very best to keep the forum updated as I have always been a scanner enthusias

The 13001 shows to be a P25 Phase 1 FDMA Talkgroup as listed in the database I have never seen my scanner indicate that it has P25 Phase 2 TDMA capabilities, Also OEM/fire are going to need new radios either way with their own ID's, they simply cannot use the radios the sheriff department was using. I also have never heard any traffic on 13001 that wasn't the Sheriff Department or Pocahontas Police, I have never observed any OEM/Fire departments using 13001 it may have been issued for the entire county but has only ever been used by Sheriff/Police. I guess this argument will be settled in the coming weeks, If I observe OEM/Fire using 13001 then I'll admit I was wrong but if not then I suspect there will be one or more new Talkgroups added that are P25 Phase 2 TDMA. which would jive with upgrades to Phase 2 Statewide. I see more and more Phase 2 talkgroups being added all the time. Anyways we shall see what happens, till then you have a nice day and I'm going to go cook dinner now.

 

[pepper33]

The 13001 shows to be a P25 Phase 1 FDMA Talkgroup as listed in the database I have never seen my scanner indicate that it has P25 Phase 2 TDMA capabilities, Also OEM/fire are going to need new radios either way with their own ID's, they simply cannot use the radios the sheriff department was using. I also have never heard any traffic on 13001 that wasn't the Sheriff Department or Pocahontas Police, I have never observed any OEM/Fire departments using 13001 it may have been issued for the entire county but has only ever been used by Sheriff/Police. I guess this argument will be settled in the coming weeks, If I observe OEM/Fire using 13001 then I'll admit I was wrong but if not then I suspect there will be one or more new Talkgroups added that are P25 Phase 2 TDMA. which would jive with upgrades to Phase 2 Statewide. I see more and more Phase 2 talkgroups being added all the time. Anyways we shall see what happens, till then you have a nice day and I'm going to go cook dinner now.

The 13001 is a FDMA talkgroup, They have new TDMA Kenwood radios that they bought. They are talking on a FDMA talkgroup with a TDMA radio, They used the original talkgroup 13001 for awhile for SO and Police to see if its something they wanted to migrate to full time. Since its only a part time talkgroup, and they decided they liked using AWIN fulltime they had to buy a new talkgroup which is TDMA since they are not giving out any FDMA talkgroups. The 13001 Talkgroup is OEM but the oem may not use it. Same for alot of counties. They may use it for whatever.

 

[drbeede]

The 13001 is a FDMA talkgroup, They have new TDMA Kenwood radios that they bought. They are talking on a FDMA talkgroup with a TDMA radio, They used the original talkgroup 13001 for awhile for SO and Police to see if its something they wanted to migrate to full time. Since its only a part time talkgroup, and they decided they liked using AWIN fulltime they had to buy a new talkgroup which is TDMA since they are not giving out any FDMA talkgroups. The 13001 Talkgroup is OEM but the oem may not use it. Same for alot of counties. They may use it for whatever.

I'm not going to argue with you it is pointless, there has never been any other use of the 13001 by any other groups other than Law enforcment, SO & PD. It is pointless to use a Phase 1 TG even with a Phase 2 radio it degrades the network the New Phase two TG's can handle twice the amount of traffic without effecting network quality. If the 13001 does get used it should be as a fallback only of course the better choice for a fallback is their current NXDN on 155.1975 which works just fine all over the county, as does the current frequency for fire and OES it works great all over the county, not sure why they woluld want to just throw that away, if it isn't broken don't fix it.

 

[pepper33]

I'm not going to argue with you it is pointless, there has never been any other use of the 13001 by any other groups other than Law enforcment, SO & PD. It is pointless to use a Phase 1 TG even with a Phase 2 radio it degrades the network the New Phase two TG's can handle twice the amount of traffic without effecting network quality. If the 13001 does get used it should be as a fallback only of course the better choice for a fallback is their current NXDN on 155.1975 which works just fine all over the county, as does the current frequency for fire and OES it works great all over the county, not sure why they woluld want to just throw that away, if it isn't broken don't fix it.

I’m not arguing I’m just commenting. Im not sure why you are getting so defensive. I’m fully aware of how the AWIN system works. My Information is coming straight from the source. The reason they are migrating is because they have a little better coverage with 800mhz. The NXDN 155.1975 has coverage dropouts on handhelds in the north part of the county is the main reason. Fire is not going AWIN they are staying on VHF. This is just the city of Pocahontas and the SO.

 

[INDY72]

AWIN literally works statewide. Interoperability is the name of the game, and AWIN is the best platform for this. Some people will as usual cry about it not being the old dog in the shed. Same old story every time.

 

[jhsands]

I'm not going to argue with you it is pointless, there has never been any other use of the 13001 by any other groups other than Law enforcment, SO & PD. It is pointless to use a Phase 1 TG even with a Phase 2 radio it degrades the network the New Phase two TG's can handle twice the amount of traffic without effecting network quality. If the 13001 does get used it should be as a fallback only of course the better choice for a fallback is their current NXDN on 155.1975 which works just fine all over the county, as does the current frequency for fire and OES it works great all over the county, not sure why they woluld want to just throw that away, if it isn't broken don't fix it.

AWIN could force it to be a TDMA TG and not let it go FDMA...

 

[pepper33]

AWIN literally works statewide. Interoperability is the name of the game, and AWIN is the best platform for this. Some people will as usual cry about it not being the old dog in the shed. Same old story every time.

In Randolph Counties case, their setup is the best way to go. Full time AWIN but also leaving local LMR system operational and VHF radios will still be in all vehicles for backup.

 

[INDY72]

AWIN could force it to be a TDMA TG and not let it go FDMA...

Isn't it amazing what can be done in CPS and RM software? Lol

 

[jhsands]

Isn't it amazing what can be done in CPS and RM software? Lol

Or what can happen in another case... correct TDMA parameters were not specified in the new master codeplug and it drug most of the TDMA TGs to FDMA.

 

[INDY72]

Or what can happen in another case... correct TDMA parameters were not specified in the new master codeplug and it drug most of the TDMA TGs to FDMA.

Oof... Bet someone had some 'splainin' to do.

 

[drbeede]

AWIN literally works statewide. Interoperability is the name of the game, and AWIN is the best platform for this. Some people will as usual cry about it not being the old dog in the shed. Same old story every time.

I'm all for everyone going to AWIN, it is easier to monitor and has less problems hearing it VS the old Analog VHF or UHF systems, no static or nonsense just plain crystal clear voice. And yes Interop would be a really big point in all agencies going AWIN, everyone being on the same system solves a lot of problems. They need to stay away from using encryption though that would be great or only use it part time for like sensitive information and such.

 

[wbswetnam]

In recent months whenever there is bad weather entering the northwest corner of the state, I hear regular commentary / discussion on ADEM NW4 channel (2679). They call it "Sebastian Weather" on which weather spotters can communicate with the NWS office in Fort Smith. If you live in northwest Arkansas, definitely it's worth having in your radio.

 

[drbeede]

In recent months whenever there is bad weather entering the northwest corner of the state, I hear regular commentary / discussion on ADEM NW4 channel (2679). They call it "Sebastian Weather" on which weather spotters can communicate with the NWS office in Fort Smith. If you live in northwest Arkansas, definitely it's worth having in your radio.

I don't live in Northwest Arkansas but I have observed that Talkgroup off the Cooley Hill (Pocahontas) tower site, and it only seems to be active during bad weather. I like listening to them as it keeps me informed if storms hold together and slide in my direction, gives me a big lead time.

 

[wbloss]

I'm in Rogers tonight and 854.2125 shows site nac 184 which makes sense for the Fayetteville Simo site, BUT it reports as site 10, not 4. Not strong enuf for Pro96Com. Hmmm....